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Discussion - Creditability - is it ours or the universe's to take?

Eveleivibe

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I'm bored so I thought I'd start a discussion / debate. Here's the question.

When something is accomplished by ourselves, or a person possesses a "talent" is the credit ours to take or is it the universe's/God/some other spiritual being to take?

So, are we the vehicle doing "God's work," so to speak or are we accomplishing through our own merits thus deserve to be recognised, rewarded, credited etc? (I was gna put this in the theo thread but I thought f it, it deserved it's own thread.)

For instance, when a person is talented in singing. Was that single voice a "gift," and thus the person should let go of "ego" and thank whatever for this "gift" or should they say "Hay ho I'm fantastic and I deserve your compliments because my voice is amazing and I'm singing it for you!" sorta thing.

Please can we keep it civil and polite and use exemplars to illustrate your points for and against an external spiritual power/existence, ego or self-creditability.

Let's Go!

Evey
 
Short answer, it is our credit to take cos any possible 'Higher Power' is a nebulous concept at best. And if this power is so high how come he gives one person a great talent and the next person a congenital genetic disorder which makes their lives nothing more than a brief spell of agonised misery followed swiftly by a painful death with all the pain and suffering that brings to their family and/or friends? Somewhat capricious, no?

Actually no, there is no credit for anybody to take - it's a run of the lottery is all. Some get a great voice or great artistic or athletic ability or whatever, others get cancer or AIDS or ebola or whatever. It's a lottery - pure chance.
 
shambles has a very valid point. tho im religeous so my answer will of course be that god gave u this talent, i dont have all the answer and i wud like to know how 1 can be given amazing talent, yet the next be given a horific illness. Bye the time 1 know s the answer 1 would of passed to the other side so no 1 will know 4 sure. Interesting point tho
 
Shambles said:
Short answer, it is our credit to take cos any possible 'Higher Power' is a nebulous concept at best. And if this power is so high how come he gives one person a great talent and the next person a congenital genetic disorder which makes their lives nothing more than a brief spell of agonised misery followed swiftly by a painful death with all the pain and suffering that brings to their family and/or friends? Somewhat capricious, no?

Actually no, there is no credit for anybody to take - it's a run of the lottery is all. Some get a great voice or great artistic or athletic ability or whatever, others get cancer or AIDS or ebola or whatever. It's a lottery - pure chance.
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But your forgetting one one very important thing; the lord works in mysterious ways! That can be used to explain such things like genocides, natural disasters and Piers Morgan
 
Spliff Politics said:
But your forgetting one one very important thing; the lord works in mysterious ways! That can be used to explain such things like genocides, natural disasters and Piers Morgan
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I'm not having this mysterious ways patter. If folk want to believe in god fine, but they need to accept the possibility that their god is a dickhead.
 
no sir god does work in mysterious ways, and i have and always will believe, there are higher powers that be. One day u all shall see.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

Please listen to this people, this man WAS a fucking legend and an inspiration. Damn cancer for taken him away from us!

EDIT; What I took from it??? Every negative can become an POSITIVE.... You just need to see it and have the will to peruse it!
"Don't settle, keep looking!"
"Stay humble, stay foolish!"


Evey
 
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Credibility is social currency, therefore it relies on other people. You can be credible and rated by only a few people, but in that case the people you're rated by have, by themselves, to possess credibility.

Talent, on the other hand, is completely subjective and irrelevant.
 
Eveleivibe said:
Please listen to this people, this man WAS a fucking legend and an inspiration. Damn cancer for taken him away from us!
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Such an inspirational legend he denied fathering his own daughter and left her and her mother to live on welfare whilst he became a billionaire.

wiki said:
Brennan-Jobs was born in 1978 to 23-year-old Chrisann Brennan, a Bay Area painter, and 23-year-old Steve Jobs, co-founder of Apple Inc.. Her parents had dated on and off since high school.[4] Development of the Apple Lisa computer began in the year of Brennan's birth, just as Apple Computer, the company her father founded, began to experience significant growth. Jobs initially denied paternity, and he and Apple claimed that the name was an acronym for "Local Integrated Software Architecture".[5] Steve Jobs swore in court documents that he could not be Lisa's father because he was "sterile and infertile, and as a result thereof, did not have the physical capacity to procreate a child."[2]

Decades later, Jobs admitted to his biographer Walter Isaacson, "Obviously, it was named for my daughter."
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Such a in inspirational thinker only he could come up with the ingenius solution to the working conditions in his factories being so atrocious that workers regularly threw themselves from the roof of the factory. Lesser men may have considered improving conditions a bit but they were not inspirational geniuses. Truly inspired thinking brought us the suicide net to catch the poor sods and put them back to work (or sack them maybe).

Lovely man. Truly somebody we should all look up to.
 
Of course we do. They're quite big ones for somebody worshipped as a demigod though. He was just another ruthless, cutthroat capitalist pigdog exploiting other peoples ideas, creativity and sheer hard, mind-numbing work to create a cult of personality and make himself a very rich man indeed. About as far from being admirable as it's possible to be in my book. He's a great example of what is wrong in the world.
 
Shambles said:
Of course we do. They're quite big ones for somebody worshipped as a demigod though. He was just another ruthless, cutthroat capitalist pigdog exploiting other peoples ideas, creativity and sheer hard, mind-numbing work to create a cult of personality and make himself a very rich man indeed. About as far from being admirable as it's possible to be in my book. He's a great example of what is wrong in the world.
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We'll agree to disagree, Shambles. Steve Jobbs is one of my idols, as well as Jillian Michaels, Shaun T, Tony Horton and a few others xxx

Evey
 
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