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General Heroin Discussion 20 v. Walking Around in Women's Underwear

I always tend to dose my bupe at around 18 hours. At this point I'm trying to keep a low amount in my system even on days I'm using, but next time I take it coming off a binge, I'm going to try to wait as long as possible to see if the relief it provides will be more pronounced.

I'm also using less per day before switching for the long term, as suggested by Carl Landrover. Today I'm keeping it to the .2ish I already used and I'll be good till tomorrow morning.
 
Your good till the morning effect dam I wish dope lasted me that long I would be laying on on the ground puking by the evening guess I'm a pussy I say fuck it after 5 hours cause I get so dAM sick so fast when using dope once waited 24 hours to do it cause someone on here told me to wait that long when I first made my profile but that was very unnecessary I made myself so sick when I could have been good to take it 12-16 hours earlier.

So I guess you just gotta find ways around the tolerance issue like effect and Carl then you can keep switching back and forth as much as you want is what I'm hearing from you guys. I guess it makes sense there's no reason I can think of that would make the sub stop holding you over indefinitely just from switching to dope often although I never understood why people say that sub no longer works due to switching back and forth to dope I only say that cause so many report the same thing like MR S and bluehues another mod said the same thing we actually had an agurment cause I said it got easier over time to make those switches to dope then back to sub but he insisted that it gets harder and harder till eventually the sub will never hold you over no matter how much sub you take leaving the person to have to go to methadone or dope indefinitely. Now you guys say that's not the case mmhh well I guess Carl would know if he has used sub for a decade along with dope in between with no problem. Iveonly used sub for a year and a half 2 years despite being an opiate addict for close to ten years and now I only take sub so havent switched to dope in months have no interest in dope anymore one day I just woke up and said fuck you heroin your a dirty shitty drug and I don't want to be your slave or a pussy anymore.
 
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Although you guys are the ones doing it the proper way by waiting longer because I know bupe works a lot better the sicker you are and the farther into withdrawal you can get the better it will work although with my fast metabolism I can still get by on 2mgs taken 6 hours after my last shot its don't make a difference to me if I wait 12 hours it will still hold me the same but I'm not normal most need to do it the way you guys do that really is the "textbook" way. I always just say don't go by time you just get to know your body and know when its time after a while instead of aiming for a certain amount of hours cause someone else told you to.
 
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^ yeah that's why next time I'm going to wait until WD truly becomes uncomfortable to the point where I don't want to function on any normal level, although even slight WD can bring me to that point, but usually I can push through. Bottom line is I'm going to go as long as possible and like I said, see if the relief from taking the bupe is better.
 
Yea good idea that's the way your supposed to do it I never did but hopefully I don't ever have to worry about making a switch back to sub cause I don't want to be a dope fiend even with sub's I will use and use till my noneys gone and I hate buying street dope when I sold dope I got good uncut dope and I never felt shitty or tired from it(except when nodding before bed) but when I was buying quarter grams my last relapse I always felt like I weighed a thousand pounds and just all around shitty instead of the usual peppy self I was when I used to do dope and go to work. I could nod out doing enough but when I was using during the day I just felt shitty like there is something cut in the dope doing it to me. Then when I went on sub I felt great light as a feather and energetic again it was weird I seemed to enjoy the bupe more that's when I realised fuck dope just stick to your scripts and quit doing this to yourself I finally thought
 
I had been going back and forth last year a lot and when I finally got my script it felt like the subs were fake as they didn't do anything other than keep me from being sick.

As for how long to wait, I did become very sensitive to the induction based on how long I waited which is why I wait so long now. If I took it too soon (let's say @ 18hrs) then it would barely help, and wouldn't help that much at all for a few days no matter how much I took. But when I waited 36hrs I could actually feelit and it would work normally right away. So it came down to either taking it too soon and not having to suffer but not really feeling better for a few days, or suffering more for a few more hours and feeling positive effects from it right off the bat. I could tell a lot by how well the first dose worked.

What I always try to do is space out my usage to once every 24 hours so that my body adjusts to that so eventually I don't start getting too sick until 20-24 hours after my last use which makes waiting a little over 24 hours to start bupe much easier. After a while I didn't even start getting that sick until I was past the 24 hr mark which made it a lot easier to wait 30 hours or so, thus making the transition way easier.

Back in the day I would feel good from the bupe whenever, but it definitely lost it's magic the more I switched. Having said that, spacing out my usage and waiting longer as well as having a lower tolerance has made it easier to adjust again, but I feel it still has a lot to do with how long I wait. Most people are using more dope more often the longer they go though, so me doing the opposite isn't the norm.

I had always been skeptical of posts saying that bupe lost it's magic the more times you switched until it happened to me. There are definitely more variables at play though other than just the number of times you have switched. So as bad as this may sound, if you are on bupe or use it in between runs then plan your relapses better if you can.
 
I really just don't like subs. If I'm going to be using opiates then I want my drug of choice or nothing else. Obviously that would be heroin. I'll take subs in the case of an emergency if I'm trying to avoid being sick but other than that I never got much out of them. I get a boost of energy and an elevated mood, but it's like a huge tease. Dope gets me to where I want to be, as where subs almost get me there but not quite, and I'm just left wishing I was on dope. The only time I've ever had a good experience on subs was (and oddly enough) when I snorted roughly a quarter piece of a generic after eating 5 clonidine's. I almost instantly started leaning hard and that's never happened to me with subs. Honestly it was a good time but nothing I'd try and chase.
 
crimsonjunk said:
Yeah I don't get any kind of high from subs. Though they do help me not crave dope. Otherwise they Just keeps the sick away.
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35 days clean, straight out of rehab I snorted 4mg and ate (dissolved) 12mg of Suboxone. I was so mangled. One of the best highs I've ever had. Suboxone is no joke. When you are clean and low/no tolerance it FUCKS you up like an opiate. With a dope habit, it's a strong way to detox/stay well. But I don't like them. Prefer the methadone.
 
porkchops said:
I got the sub script, but somehow keep seeing enough money to keep getting high...fuck.
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Well one of the problems with having a sub script (and the reason why I don't have one) is that it's easy to use them as a safety net while still using heroin. If you're dependent whether you're on subs or other opiates then some people figure they might as well still het high and then use the subs when they want a break or are short on money and don't want to be sick.

Subs just feel weird for me so it's not with it for me to still be dependent on something if it's that. My habits in check now so I rarely use anything so I would only use subs for a few days to soften the blow of a binge should I indulge. I can't use them for more than a week though since they start making me crazy and since my tolerance is way down I hate the idea of having to kick subs if I were to stay on them for a prolonged period of time

Now if I had a bag habit and really couldn't stop then I would consider subs (can't really make it to a methadone clinic each day) but thankfully I'm not in that situation anymore.
 
well this thread never really fit too well with the Harm Reduction image. You can't really claim HR when you are talking about how you are getting high on heroin. The process of acquiring and using will always be potentially harmful whether it be physically or socially. And it looks stupid to just talk about it for like 3 paragraphs than at the very end or in your next post just be like

"but don't do it though!"

now if you wanted to talk about doing some fringe research chemical that was invented yesterday in some Chinese basement superlab somewhere, by all means.....

not to mention there's like 18 different geographical heroin threads and maybe 3/4ths of the people who posted in here left
 
alteknj said:
35 days clean, straight out of rehab I snorted 4mg and ate (dissolved) 12mg of Suboxone. I was so mangled. One of the best highs I've ever had. Suboxone is no joke. When you are clean and low/no tolerance it FUCKS you up like an opiate. With a dope habit, it's a strong way to detox/stay well. But I don't like them. Prefer the methadone.
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That's true. When I got out of rehab I found a mg or 2 of a strip in an old wrapper I discarded. It got me pretty high. Was a hell of a relief. I did a dope dance and got so excited when I found it.
 
crimsonjunk said:
That's true. When I got out of rehab I found a mg or 2 of a strip in an old wrapper I discarded. It got me pretty high. Was a hell of a relief. I did a dope dance and got so excited when I found it.
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This one time when I was sick at work and my guy called to say he wouldn't be good until the next day I called up a friend to drop off a temazepam to me so I could hopefully sleep. It was in this tiny bottle and when I opened it I saw this little thing fall to the ground, and when I looked I noticed it was about 2mg out of an 8mg strip. My habit wasn't too big at the time so between that and the temaz I was feeling good.

Another time when I had done a short sub taper and had been off of everything for a few days and feeling shitty I started throwing out my old sub strip foils and found 1mg in there. I had only been using tiny pieces of sub to taper so that 1mg helped me a lot.

If you have a small habit or haven't used in a few days and are sick a little bit of suboxone really helps. It's when your tolerance is high and you go to take it 24 hrs after your last dope usage that it's not that helpful, and will only keep you from getting sicker rather than making you feel better. In those instances it can be 3 days of using it before it actually makes you feel good rather than just not that bad. I had one time though after going back and forth a lot and having a pretty big habit where even after a few weeks the subs still weren't helping much and I was even thinking they might have been a bad batch.

In those situations the key is to let yourself get really sick before using them and then even after that keep spacing it out to let your tolerance drop even more so they can begin to work better. The ceiling dose prevents it from covering larger habits at first so you really need to get to the point where you are sick enough that a small dose can help. I've always found that you can tell a lot by the first sub dose, so if it doesnt help at first it's going to be a few days before it does, but if it does help at first then you are good.
 
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