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Drugs, a question for everyone.

abuse of drugs will damage you no question about it, wether you were a "damaged" person to begin with has some factoring in whether you will become more "damaged".

I really would like to hear what you mean by damaged, my brother was born with aspergers syndrome and diagnosed aged 4, he spoke nothing until 5 years old, he is such a different human than us all, he is his individual self, i myself feel "damaged" (if im with you on damaged with this one) from drugs, but i feel it can be repairable.

I hope so anyways :)
 
opiaterock said:
This is not 100% true BHM, certain drugs have chemical reactions in the brain that paranoia is a chemical inducedside-effect of... so it not caused strictly by external factors / stimuli / thoughts etc..
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Like MDPV. Been there, done that, spectacularly. Had the paranoia. Paranoia involved police busting me. I'd say if PV was legal, my paranoia wouldn't have existed. Paranoia part 2. Thought everyone knew I was on the drug in work and social situations. If PV were legal, I'd argue I wouldn't give a toss if people knew.

If there was nothing to be paranoid about, we wouldn't suffer paranoia. MOST of that paranoia can be traced back to the drugs legal status and the user exhibiting behaviour that is 'beyond the norm'. If 'beyond the norm' wasn't seen as such a problem, the paranoia wouldn't exist. The legality lays down a strict line of what is normal and acceptable.

I'm not saying this solves 100% of the problem, but it's a bloody huge part of it that people don't recognize. Does LSD produce chemically-induced side effects that makes us look mental in public (so we act accordingly, stay out of unsafe crowds etc) or does LSD produce chemically induced side-effects that, when on the drug, in the safety of a good setting, we know to be a whole lot of fun that makes us roll around on the floor laughing with joy?

Perception is 9/10ths of the law.
 
pontifex01 said:
I believe, taking your sentences in their broadest meaning and without getting lost in nit-picking definitions, that damaged people seek drugs, which in turn damage them further, and that it's a vicious downward spiral.
I know if I hadn't had such a fucked up adolescence, drugs would never have had the appeal they did for me, and maybe I'd be less of a fuckup today. In fact I'm fairly certain of it.
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Agreed, I reckon to a certain extent I was already damaged goods, always quite the introvert, always struggled to have relationships, a bit of a loner, drugs appealed to me because I never really managed to fit in in the first place with the rest of my peers/society, as for extra damage, hell yeah they took their toll.

I'm fairly certain I would be owning my own pentouhouse apartment and earning in the hundred thousands per year range if it weren't for my taste for drugs, I honestly can't even count the amount of decent lifee chances I blew because of drugs, too many and it sort of hurts to think about it anyway.

We can try to sweeten the pill all we want but we just have to look at our own demographics on EADD to see that we're either damaged from the beginning and were probably further damaged by drugs, how many of us are out of work? How many are suffering from psychological issues? How many are currently in treatment? How many have been to rehab? How many are on maintenance programs and/or are scripted mind-altering drugs to cope with living? Whether it's for physical aspects(opiate WD) or for mental issues/depression and so on? How many suffered an untimely dead and have left this world before their time? How many would be begging outside the local train station if it weren't for family support and/or welfare?

Drugs gave me some of the best experiences of my life, I don't regret anything I did as I had a hell of a good time and hope for more good times, but they sure did the best to compromise and sabotage my efforts to live as a productive member of society.
 
So my bf of 5 years has been a heavy drug user, he started just smoking pot which I was okay with bc I smoked it, then we started experimenting with acid and during one trip he had a really really bad trip he started accusing me of cheating on him ( i have never cheated on him) so he kicked me out I left then we ended up back together. Then we started partying and trying other drugs. I was never the type to do a drug more then once outside of weed. Well he went on to smoking crack. snorting cocaine, popping pills, shooting heroin, and then he started to use synthetic pot. And during all this time he was using drugs he started to become angry and kinda paranoid. He got to the point where he thought I had guys coming to the house when he went to work. Or when his friends would come over he accused me of flirting with them.. On Christmas I found out that I was pregnant, and the only person I have ever been with is my bf and one he accused the baby of being someone elses, but then one day he tells me he knows she is his. And that he loves me and cares about me and wants to be with me. well he got clean from everything but the fake pot, then he stopped using the fake pot for two weeks then the friday of the 2nd week he went and bout a 12 g pack of something called ramseys he wasn't smoking it heavily but was smoking it, that saturday we started arguing I didnt think anything of it, that sunday we got into such a bad argument i left then tuesday he comes to my house and all he keeps saying to me is that I am in and he is out..and then he started saying the government was ran by nazis and then he started thinking everybody was out to get him, I just did not recognize him at all.. Later that night he was admitted to the ER for suicidal thoughts then put on a 72 hour hold then he was sent to a psych ward and has been there every since.. And for the first few days he was barely talking to me and barely visiting me, then things got better. But one day when I went to visit him things were good for a hour then I had said something about getting a job and out of no where he started saying i talk and act like a whore, and i lie all the time... and then i call him later that night upset and he talked to me but the next day he was back to saying he didnt know if he could be with me because I act like a whore and lie all the time.. and I haven't spoke with him for 3 days.. Is this a part of the psychosis. Is he bipolar, schizo, or what. He is currently taking abilify... I love him and I care about him and when he is not manic we are perfect together I just don't know what to do!!
 
dessy1994 said:
I just don't know what to do!!
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He is slowly getting worse which 'could' end up with him becoming violent towards you during one of his manic episodes. Make sure he sticks to taking his abilify and does not mix this with other drugs - gauge his progress and take it from there. If he starts to mess about with other drugs or starts to skip his medication then I would leave, really not worth putting yourself or your daughter in harms way if he is not going to seek help.
 
dessy1994 said:
Is this a part of the psychosis. Is he bipolar, schizo, or what. He is currently taking abilify... I love him and I care about him and when he is not manic we are perfect together I just don't know what to do!!
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Right, first things first... don't second guess & don't listen to the stereotypes surrounding these illnesses. One thing is for sure and that is that he has some form of psychosis. I have been there myself.

When he starts accusing you of being a whore, lying etc. that is because he is delusional/paranoid, he doesn't know what to think. He can't trust his own thoughts.

Has he ever been aggressive towards you or just suspicious & pushing you away? Contrary to popular belief, people with Schizophrenia etc. are more likely to do themselves harm than others. (hence suicidal thoughts) Social isolation is quite common.

Abilify won't work immediately... it may take weeks until the medication works properly if that one is effective at all. It sounds like he is still in the psych ward. You just have to give it some time & be supportive. He may well come around when the medication starts working.

It all depends on what his prognosis is & if he tries to use drugs again when he is released. As Bear says, just make sure he doesn't use any drugs & that he keeps taking his medication.
 
da fuck is a damaged person anyway?
we are all damaged in our own unique ways... albeit, some more-so than others..

id say certain people / personalities are more susceptible to abusing substances than others due to underlying issues, and could be more at risk to dependence / addiction

its all down to your personality and whether you actually give that much of a shit really. if your desire to live a productive and healthy life outweighs the fulfilment you get from using drugs then i think you can maintain a relatively 'healthy' balance.
 
If you get used to pleasure being available on tap, you lose motivation.

When it becomes too easy just to collect the prize, then you are going to be like those rats in the cage that had a button to press for a hit of cocaine and they pressed it until they died.

Because its just too easy...
 
oscthebooklad said:
If you get used to pleasure being available on tap, you lose motivation.
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This - it's a door that you can't shut once you've opened it. However when people say they're 'ambitious', or 'motivated' I'm inclined to think them twats.

I was never materialistic before I took drugs (I didn't have the option to be with my background), but I've been on them since I was 16. I think I might be a lot more attracted to money, status and possessions if I'd never opened that door, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing I did.
 
oscthebooklad said:
...When it becomes too easy just to collect the prize, then you are going to be like those rats in the cage that had a button to press for a hit of cocaine and they pressed it until they died.

Because its just too easy...
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I sort of agree, but as an aside the rats don't really do that unless they're isolated from normal rat communities and stuck in a tiny cage - check this comic for the story:

http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/
 
I find there's something really moving about that comic (the end frame particularly) dunno why. There's link there to a blog where the author explains how he actually got in touch with the original researcher and carefully researched the experiment (with links to the papers).

The rest of the comics are worth reading too (all semi sciencey) - i should really get round to donating to it (i'm not the author by the way (i wish :)).
 
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