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foolsgold
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if he is it will be tiletamine more than likely 
isthisincognito
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MXE is very intermittent (for me at least) in its ability to produce a hole, and a bit of an unpredictable beast whereas Ketamine is pretty much guaranteed every time.
MXE hole I would describe as a K hole in High definition, it really is something else.
MXE hole I would describe as a K hole in High definition, it really is something else.
Shambles
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They feel completely different to me and I wouldn't really say there is an 'M-hole' as such. It is easy to go on flights of fancy but I don't find it hard not to if I don't want to or need to do summat else. With ketamine it takes you with it, with MXE you have to decide to go along with it and I don't think you can ever get as deeply immersed. Having said that, I've had very high dissociative tolerance for a great many years now so maybe just can't hole cos of that. I find MXE pretty damn functional really - aside from speech which is totally slurred and very hard to form words. Movement is mostly fine (unlike ketomised robocrab walking). Thoughts are not hugely altered for me but... much more flexible than usual perhaps.
ColtDan
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Agreed
matt<3ketamine
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last time i had mxe i wasnt amazed with the quality but still done a good few parts of the job - i was mangled
but since just after the ban when all the really good quality dried up i havent had an 'm-hole' as such (the point were you have had enough to comatose you into ego death multiple times over a long period) in a long time
interesting stuff, an old mates mum is a cancer sufferer unfortunately but she always loved a smoke of a joint and her oxy's, she asked for a sniff of k one night and at another time a sniff of mxe, the time on k she just said she had zero pain and it was lovely then on the mxe she said she had never felt happier since the cancer
WHY THE FUCK ARE THESE THINGS NOT GETTING PROPER WIDESCALE RESEARCH ARRRGGHHH
THECATINTHEHAT
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Because there's no money to be made in patents.
Sammy G
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Same. Never had an 'm-hole' as such, and I took quite a bit of the stuff. I had some experiences which defy decription, but nothing like the forceful push away from reality that K provides. I hate the way K affects my movement too, whereas with MXE there are just a few fleeting moments where you forget exactly how to walk or something.
Out of the two, I much prefer MXE, strangely enough. Miss having it around.
Ket I can take or leave.
ColtDan
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Can be very uplifting stuff indeed, i always thought if somehow the afterglow could be put into a pill or something itd make an amazing virtually side effect free anti-dep, i used to feel brilliant for days after. used MXE once a week as a tool for months, such weird stuff though. and then got a bit manic in the end on the glow... and then the glow dissapeared. MXE was the first dissocative i did, then did K after, not sure which i pref. probably K for the duration and less weird shit
isthisincognito
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My first hole with mxe, I was lying down on my bed and I was transported into a bleak room and my Dad was stood in front of me. I had passed away a few years earlier, and to be given the opportunity to say my final goodbyes was probably the single most powerful experience of my life. As much as I know it isn't real, it gave me closure.
Slippery slope though as I spent along time lusting for experiences like that, but it just lead me into a descent of over indulgence.
I've had some pretty good experiences with mxe though - particularly olfactory hallucinations which I've never experienced on any other substance and OOBE's (I've experienced these with Ketamine).
The more I used, the duller the experiences became. I seldom take it now, once and a while I get some and I'm always sorely disappointed, I don't know whether I've changed, or the quality isn't what it used to be :/
Shambles
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For those who have experienced an 'M-hole' (and ideally a K-hole for komparison) how would you describe it? Not what happened in terms of what you saw or felt as such (although that too) but more stuff like were you aware of being wherever you happened to actually be, could you snap out of it? I find this is the major difference for me. With ketamine I am - as Sammy nailheads it - "forcefully pushed" (I'd say pulled but same difference) away from any kind of reality you would (or could) otherwise know. You don't get a choice whatsoever you're just whisked away with the ketomised dolphins and the like. I never got anything like that with MXE - I'd say MXE is very dreamy and very easy to drift and visualise things which may or may not (apparently at least) come from outside of yourself. But if the phone rings I can snap out of it and (more or less) pass for normal (slurring aside). MXE is never forceful or pushy for me - ketamine certainly is. I've not found any other dissociative which really has anything that compares directly with a K-hole. Similar in some ways but really very different for me.
ColtDan
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Being sucked into a euphoric psychedelic hole or something, turned into a singularity, becoming everything/nothing. complete loss of self a few times, sometimes i can come out of it, some of the experiences have been like DMT, ive been completely lost on it before, fully immersed. come out re-born or so it felt. taken me far
Shambles
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Which sounds pretty similar to a K-hole... so why doesn't it work like that for me dammit?!? 
I've always assumed tolerance must be it but Sammy isn't a regular or heavy ketamine user and seems to have broadly similar experience as me with MXE. Have seen a higher percentage of people who use it who do report some kinda holey experience but also seen plenty who don't at all. Wonder what would be the reason for that then? Seems quite a big V as far as YMMV goes. Kinda like somebody taking acid and not seeing owt wobble. Where's a chemistry bod when you need one? Summat to do with how different people metabolise it maybe?
I've always assumed tolerance must be it but Sammy isn't a regular or heavy ketamine user and seems to have broadly similar experience as me with MXE. Have seen a higher percentage of people who use it who do report some kinda holey experience but also seen plenty who don't at all. Wonder what would be the reason for that then? Seems quite a big V as far as YMMV goes. Kinda like somebody taking acid and not seeing owt wobble. Where's a chemistry bod when you need one? Summat to do with how different people metabolise it maybe?
isthisincognito
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^ It's a strange beast.
I've been planning for some time to try using ketamine before going into mxe, see if that increases the likelihood of a hole.
My thinking is that if I hole on ketamine, and then try and hole on mxe the ketamine may have 'loosened' my mind a bit, I always think of ketamine as like peeling an onion.
I've been planning for some time to try using ketamine before going into mxe, see if that increases the likelihood of a hole.
My thinking is that if I hole on ketamine, and then try and hole on mxe the ketamine may have 'loosened' my mind a bit, I always think of ketamine as like peeling an onion.
Shambles
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Hehe. I think I know what you mean by the onion thing. Is a multilayered beast is ketamine - dissos in general but ket especially. Does feel like you're working towards something - each time a little bit closer to... something. Have a feeling it's one of those journeys that never actually ends and quite conceivably goes nowhere at all. It's an interesting excursion all the same.
I've combined ket with MXE a few times and didn't stick out in memory as being anything especially worthwhile. They slightly fight against each other as I recall. I find MXE really rather stimulating which meant I couldn't hole properly on the ket cos was too mobile and... not clearheaded but compared to how I would be on ket alone clearheaded. Ketamine also brings on quite strong instatolerance for me - I can only really hole properly a few times in any one session (assuming lowish tolerance, good ket) and it's a case of ever-decreasing returns. If anything I suspect it would work better the other way round - MXE first, ket later on - but that would rather defeat the object of trying to hole on MXE.
If you ever do report back if you can. I find dissociative combos oddly uninteresting. They don't seem to stack well and I find generally work best taken alone or in combination with some other type of drug entirely. YMMV and all that as ever.
I've combined ket with MXE a few times and didn't stick out in memory as being anything especially worthwhile. They slightly fight against each other as I recall. I find MXE really rather stimulating which meant I couldn't hole properly on the ket cos was too mobile and... not clearheaded but compared to how I would be on ket alone clearheaded. Ketamine also brings on quite strong instatolerance for me - I can only really hole properly a few times in any one session (assuming lowish tolerance, good ket) and it's a case of ever-decreasing returns. If anything I suspect it would work better the other way round - MXE first, ket later on - but that would rather defeat the object of trying to hole on MXE.
If you ever do report back if you can. I find dissociative combos oddly uninteresting. They don't seem to stack well and I find generally work best taken alone or in combination with some other type of drug entirely. YMMV and all that as ever.
Shambles
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Did that just t'other week actually. Was also on 2C-D, 2C-C and MDPV. Was only a smidge of DMT - was a bit out of it (no really) and seemed a good idea at the time. Got a surprisingly gentle suggestion to perhaps come back another time when more... focussed. Probably for the best I didn't go in for a big one cos have a feeling the elven ones may not be so big on peev.
I know what you mean about speed + ket being somewhat reminiscent of MXE - I would agree. Not the same but if I had to describe MXE to somebody I may well say a bit like mildish speed with a dash of ket on top.
THECATINTHEHAT
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I smoked it on top of pills and amt, that was something of an experience.
ColtDan
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Definitely
I bet... smoked it onto MD once, didnt breakthrough but was amazing