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UK Ketamine Shortage

It's been so long since K has been around. Anyone had any recently !? It's been almost 5 months!!
 
I got a good source for some now. It's about the low end of £30 a g. First time trying ket was with it and I enjoyed it - would say it's great quality but I don't have anything to compare it with. :P
 
Been able to get contantly in LDN for £20, went to bristol was £30 and it's £20 down in brighton. However got some horrible stuff the other day in brighton, big batch of stuff apparently cut to shit with MSG crystals, new batch in tomorrow i hear, but is gunna be well expensive again. Shit's crazy
 
ColtDan said:
Being sucked into a euphoric psychedelic hole or something, turned into a singularity, becoming everything/nothing. complete loss of self a few times, sometimes i can come out of it, some of the experiences have been like DMT, ive been completely lost on it before, fully immersed. come out re-born or so it felt. taken me far
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I don't really get this 'hole' business with dissociatives - from all the descriptions it sounds exactly like the 'ego loss' associated with classic psychs. Having said that, I've never had ketamine, but I've had some pretty heavy MXE experiences, and they were very similar to mushrooms/acid, but a lot 'darker'...
 
They're not that similar to me - they both end in 'ego loss', but with k it's usually a lot less mentally traumatic (usually feel detached with an anti-anxiety quality; as opposed to psychs which usually feel personal, and sometimes traumatic as the ego dissolves) ymmv; The actual peak experiences differ too (but harder to say how). Though i find mxe to be closer to classic psychs in some ways (but still distinctly dissociative). The word 'hole' is a bit loaded and dodgy i agree, and doesn't fit with mxe's effects as much as k anyway.
 
Vurtual said:
They're not that similar to me - they both end in 'ego loss', but with k it's usually a lot less mentally traumatic (usually feel detached with an anti-anxiety quality; as opposed to psychs which usually feel personal, and sometimes traumatic as the ego dissolves) ymmv; The actual peak experiences differ too (but harder to say how). Though i find mxe to be closer to classic psychs in some ways (but still distinctly dissociative). The word 'hole' is a bit loaded and dodgy i agree, and doesn't fit with mxe's effects as much as k anyway.
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Yeah, that kinda makes sense. I'm guessing that the term 'hole' is reserved for ketamine alone, and people searching for an MXE hole are just applying an irrelevant term to a substance which is more akin to classic psychs than not...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yeah, that kinda makes sense. I'm guessing that the term 'hole' is reserved for ketamine alone,
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No, people do talk about M-holes or holing on MXE. People that are familiar with K holes. did you try the batches that were around before it got banned?
 
ColtDan said:
No, people do talk about M-holes or holing on MXE. People that are familiar with K holes. did you try the batches that were around before it got banned?
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Yes, unusually for me I actually got in there at the start - I was lucky enough to get some of the first (and IMO, best) batch of MXE. I found it to be extremely trippy, produced profound ego loss and caused severe confusion. I realise that people do talk about 'M-Holes', but are they saying that purely from a ketamine based point of view? i.e. using ketamine as their main frame of reference, whereas I apply a tryptamine point of view and talk of 'ego loss' instead. What I'm getting at is; are they one and the same, or is a 'hole' a completely different experience that can only be experienced with ketamine?
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yeah, that kinda makes sense. I'm guessing that the term 'hole' is reserved for ketamine alone, and people searching for an MXE hole are just applying an irrelevant term to a substance which is more akin to classic psychs than not...
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The term is maybe better suited for k as you're usually obviously out on the floor (it's mostly used about other people in my experience, like 'ooh look, he's in the k-hole' when someone's outers dribbling on the floor). You can definitely get an 'm-hole', but i think you have to try a bit more (like lie down in a dark room with music) as it doesn't immobilise you and it's got more stimulation.

There does seem to be a difference to a psych ego loss to me - more of a sense of another separate world and a journey somewhere; more of a distinct dream world than i'd usually get from psychs. Like psych ego loss, it's not necessarily repeatable or easily achievable (often you shoot past the 'hole' into just being out and not remembering it - there's a small-ish window...)
 
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Shambles said:
If you ever do report back if you can. I find dissociative combos oddly uninteresting. They don't seem to stack well and I find generally work best taken alone or in combination with some other type of drug entirely. YMMV and all that as ever.
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For me, I can never hole on ketamine straight away, I have to take it a couple of times and work myself into the hole state. It feels to me like there's a mental barrier blocking it, and with redosing I can wear it down (peeling the onion). Hence my thought to use ketamine prior (but not in combination per se - not simultaneously).

I'm unsure if I will ever get around to trying this though, as I tend not to keep dissociative's to hand for too long.

ColtDan said:
No, people do talk about M-holes or holing on MXE. People that are familiar with K holes. did you try the batches that were around before it got banned?
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Pre-ban mxe seemed to me, to be of a far better quality (subjectively). I've tried many different suppliers and I've yet to find one to live up to the pre ban - maybe psychosomatic though.


Vurtual said:
The term is maybe better suited for k as you're usually obviously out on the floor (it's mostly used about other people in my experience, like 'ooh look, he's in the k-hole' when someone's outers dribbling on the floor). You can definitely get an 'm-hole', but i think you have to try a bit more (like lie down in a dark room with music) as it doesn't immobilise you and it's got more stimulation.

There does seem to be a difference to a psych ego loss to me - more of a sense of another separate world and a journey somewhere; more of a distinct dream world than i'd usually get from psychs. Like psych ego loss, it's not necessarily repeatable or easily achievable (often you shoot past the 'hole' into just being out and not remembering it - there's a small-ish window...)
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I completely concur with this, mxe you have to create the right setting. For me part of the allure of mxe is the elusiveness of the hole, I usually want to try and create this setting to enduce it, and I go off an trip in a completely different direction, never meets my expectation but always seems to leave me in awe regardless.

Ketamine is so predictable in comparison.
 
I agree, MXE is some wild stuff. still yet to try any post ban MXE, been meaning to get some more but havent yet
 
Ditto. I miss the stuff so much but never get round to ordering it. I've found a source or two, but never really one that tempted me to part with the cash.

Reports of apparently bunk MXE don't encourage me, but they're usually of the dubious and vague 'this is lacking something' nature which we see with so many drugs, so probably not to be trusted.
 
^ I've had several batches post-ban and it really is not the same.

I've had some pretty bunk mxe, some quite clearly cut mxe and several batches which seemed 'off' to me (can't specifically say why though). There was one batch I got which was incredibly sedating in a way that I never remember mxe being - I binned it out of uncertainty and still regret that decision.

Pre-ban was incredibly consistent for me, post-ban just seems like a pot shot and I've yet to find anything that I feel matches pre-ban. That being said I am well aware that my memory of the pre-ban stuff is probably inconsistent with reality, and thus it is quite possible that I'm completely deluded in my expectations by now.

I have no doubt there probably is some good mxe out there, somewhere.

It's been a while since I've tried to get some though, purely out of frustration of what feels like feeding money to a black hole. I tend to favour Ketamine in the same price range as it's a pretty certain thing, or 3-meo-pcp because it's cheap and just enough to tickle my dissociative itch
 
Forget the k-hole that's so 90s, advanced users seek the A-hole. A hole so deep that those who enter it rarely return from.

I must hark to "back in the day" pre-2003 when you could ask your friendly Chinese chemical company to simply ship you a kilo of K for £170. Those were the days. Mr Chu where are you now.
 
isthisincognito said:
^ I've had several batches post-ban and it really is not the same.

I've had some pretty bunk mxe, some quite clearly cut mxe and several batches which seemed 'off' to me (can't specifically say why though). There was one batch I got which was incredibly sedating in a way that I never remember mxe being - I binned it out of uncertainty and still regret that decision.

Pre-ban was incredibly consistent for me, post-ban just seems like a pot shot and I've yet to find anything that I feel matches pre-ban. That being said I am well aware that my memory of the pre-ban stuff is probably inconsistent with reality, and thus it is quite possible that I'm completely deluded in my expectations by now.

I have no doubt there probably is some good mxe out there, somewhere.

It's been a while since I've tried to get some though, purely out of frustration of what feels like feeding money to a black hole. I tend to favour Ketamine in the same price range as it's a pretty certain thing, or 3-meo-pcp because it's cheap and just enough to tickle my dissociative itch
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I remember the pre ban being consistently wicked until near the end, then the batches i got were lacking, felt a bit different

Found two old 1/4 full bags of MXE yesterday which i must have hidden or stashed or whatever years ago, must be 4 and a half years old or older, dunno wether to try them or bin them. i assume the stuff gets weaker or goes off or some shit. probably wise for me to bin
 
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