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Codeine & CWE (aka cdub) Megathread: third time's the charm

^ good post.

I'd have to agree with the DXM. And I too was quite surprised when I first used it.

Certain antihistamines are good for increasing the sedation, but be careful, because I think there's some that do the opposite with codeine exclusively.

I'd have to say, if there was a ceiling dose for codeine, your tolerance rising would also make the ceiling rise too. Just a thought.
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Cheers.

As far as anti-histamines go, sedation or not they go a huge way towards countering the side effects of nausea (which codeine causes as much as any opiate) and itching (which codeine causes even more than any other opiate, with the exception of high dose IV morphine). The best one seems to be doxylamine succinate (brand name Restavit). Promethazine works too, but I read a study which claims that it slightly decreases the potency due to mildly inhibiting the CYP2D6 enzyme, so I swapped to restavit. I tried diphenhydramine and one other which I don't remember the name of, but neither of them worked at all. You only need a low dose, maybe 1/4 - 1/2 of a tablet, taken at the same time as the DXM.
 
Interesting.. I'll definitely give DXM a go, sounds like it could be worth it.

In terms of codeine dose, I have no real desire to go above 600mg, I get exactly what I want from 600mg, it's a nice buzz, and for the most part I space my doses out enough for 600mg to give the same effect. In situations like the other day I essentially wasted 600mg, but lesson learnt. Now I won't be having codeine for almost a week so my 600mg dose will go back to what it normally is.

Definitely keen to mix it up with some DXM though, although I've never taken DXM recreationally before; my experience with dissociatives is limited to ketamine.
 
And wow I didn't know that, I've always used a small dose of promethazine to counteract the itching that comes with codeine, but if that's the case I might switch it to restavit
 
Definitely keen to mix it up with some DXM though, although I've never taken DXM recreationally before; my experience with dissociatives is limited to ketamine.
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The dose taken to potentiate codeine doesn't actually have any dissociative effect. You need at least 200mg for that, iirc, the 60 - 80mg for potentiation is too low to be noticeably active. If you're looking to take the dose that high to try combine the dissociative effect of DXM with the opiate effect of codeine, you might want to do some more research, that's uncharted territory for me.
 
No no, not by any means. I'd merely be looking at a small dose to potentiate my codeine. Will definitely be sticking to the lower end of 60 - 80mg
 
Even 30mg worked wonders for me early on, I'd generally dose it 30-45 mins before the codeine. Then, after 30 mins or so after codeine dose, I'd add another 30mg if I wasn't were I was aiming for.

An antihistamine that worked well for sedation was cyproheptadine (sold as periactin), I tended to like dosing this 45-60 mins before the codeine dose. I find quite a few antihistamines take a good hour to be in full swing. I also found that periactin didn't effect the codeine metabolism in terms of effects.

Periactin is cheap as chips, and it comes in massive 100 packs, and you only need around 1/4 of tab starting out.Easy to get.
 
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my preferred combo - high dose of codeine with decent dose of benzo......numb city for a melting moment!

my best codeine potentiating agent being a reversible maoi
 
mork said:
my preferred combo - high dose of codeine with decent dose of benzo......numb city for a melting moment!

my best codeine potentiating agent being a reversible maoi
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Yeah I am a big fan of benzos, but due to random drug testing at work I can't take them these days, I'm pretty much limited to taking codeine
 
mork said:
wouldn't codeine (morph) show up in a test?
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yeah it does, but if i get drug tested i just have to declare that i've have codeine containing medication (such as codrals or nurofen plus) then they allow me to continue working despite failing a drug test for opiates, in which case they'll send my urine sample to the lab to confirm that it was codeine that made me fail and not heroin or oxy etc. if i fail a test for benzos however, they'll want to see a prescription to prove im taking them legitimately.
 
In regards to potentiating codeine with DXM, hopefully someone who has experience with these two combined can answer me; how much of a difference does it make? The reason I ask is that would be necessary for me to lower my codeine dose? I'm not opiate naive, I've been using itself codeine for a few years, always sticking to a 600mg dose. But with DXM as a potentiator, will the effects of a 600mg dose be hugely different?
 
Puddleup it might add a different flavour to the experience but it won't potentiate it. If 600mg's of codeine doesn't do it for you then why bother. Forget codeine and go for a moderate dose of dxm.
 
Puddle.Up, I'd stick with your 600mg of codeine, but try 30-60mg of dxm 45mins before your codeine dose.

See how it goes.

I mentioned potentiators earlier so you wouldent have to up your codeine dose.

I'll say it again, dxm surprised me at how well it worked with codeine. I too was sceptical.
 
Hecticus, I appreciate your input but as I said 600mg of codeine does still do it for me, unless I dose too frequently, ie within 2 - 3 days of my previous dose, which for the most part I always avoid doing. 600mg gives a great buzz if I haven't had codeine for at least 4-5 days, but if I can potentiate the high in some way I'd definitely be keen to give it a go.

I've always been skeptical about the whole theory of opiate potentiation, but from what you've said Captain Brewster I'll definitely give it a go. I might go for about 50mg of DXM 45 mins before I have my codeine, I'll give this a whirl this weekend (want to give myself a solid break from my last dose which was this morning) I'll be sure to post the results of my little experiment on here.
Thanks for all the advice lads!
 
Im assuming this is along side an anti histamine like doxy? Because codeine and dxm both cause histamine release. Although maybe only at higher doses for dxm. God its fucking awful. The histamine release from codeine has given me panic attacks.
 
Yeah of course, I don't bother taking codeine if I haven't got doxy or promethazine on hand. The itching from codeine annoys the shit out of me. It's not unbearable but it ruins the nice mellow sedation
 
puddle.up said:
Hecticus, I appreciate your input but as I said 600mg of codeine does still do it for me, unless I dose too frequently, ie within 2 - 3 days of my previous dose, which for the most part I always avoid doing. 600mg gives a great buzz if I haven't had codeine for at least 4-5 days, but if I can potentiate the high in some way I'd definitely be keen to give it a go.

I've always been skeptical about the whole theory of opiate potentiation, but from what you've said Captain Brewster I'll definitely give it a go. I might go for about 50mg of DXM 45 mins before I have my codeine, I'll give this a whirl this weekend (want to give myself a solid break from my last dose which was this morning) I'll be sure to post the results of my little experiment on here.
Thanks for all the advice lads!
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Codeine is such a subtle and I would say fickle substance. At times, 600mg won't touch sides whilst the next day 400mg is perfect. I think the golden rule is to wait as long as one can. After 3 days break the overall effects are felt more than 2 days or dosing daily - (this is pretty obvious) - even if one attempts to use daily by escalating dosage. It just doesn't seem to pack the same punch.

The effects also seem less predictable than other opiates. Sometimes, I get a nice warm sedation, and other times it's just a mood lift, and very rarely a nod - hell I've even felt dysphoric off the stuff and wished I hadn't dosed at the time.
 
infectedmushroom said:
Codeine is such a subtle and I would say fickle substance. At times, 600mg won't touch sides whilst the next day 400mg is perfect. I think the golden rule is to wait as long as one can. After 3 days break the overall effects are felt more than 2 days or dosing daily - (this is pretty obvious) - even if one attempts to use daily by escalating dosage. It just doesn't seem to pack the same punch.

The effects also seem less predictable than other opiates. Sometimes, I get a nice warm sedation, and other times it's just a mood lift, and very rarely a nod - hell I've even felt dysphoric off the stuff and wished I hadn't dosed at the time.
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Yeah you're right about that, it can be very hit and miss with codeine. I actually spent about 2 years thinking the whole concept of getting high on codeine was rubbish, I tried about 5 CWE's, starting my dose at 100mg and progressively moving up to 360mg over a couple of years, just trying it out here and there, and the absolute most I ever got was a slight tingle.
After no success I basically thought fuck it I'll give it one more go, bumped my dose up to 600mg and I couldn't believe how nice the high was, even had me nodding a little. Since then I've always stuck to 600mg, but I definitely have a strong appreciation for what codeine can do
 
yeah agree, it's a strange one - I always thought I was one of those peeps with CYP2D6 dysfunction as I could never get the codeine high. however it took doses from 768mg to 1152mg for me to find what everyone was talking about.

it's so sporadic though - one day I'll be nodding and itchy as fuck while another day I'll get slight dizziness and then the next time I'll be vomiting my guts up!

it's time to give it up and move on though, tolerance is a bitch and my methods of potentiating aren't as effective as they once were
 
mork said:
my preferred combo - high dose of codeine with decent dose of benzo......numb city for a melting moment!

my best codeine potentiating agent being a reversible maoi
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any newbies reading this should be aware that it can be dangerous to mix opiates and benzos.
 
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