Opioids Methadone Mega Thread and FAQ v 2.0

[Lorne???]

^^

How about you just post here and get answers from multiple "seasoned" opiate/methadone users...?

Yeah, that makes way more sense!!! Especially with Scag here.

I rescind my offer! PM Mr. Scag, he's Bluelight Crew, it means he loves answering strange requests

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

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Haha. Oh thanks, Lorne. You shouldn't haveee.

 

[MMT]

If it's about pluggin,ask away.No prudes here,that's for sure.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

Yeah just don't post any pictures.. haha.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

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Yeah just don't post any pictures.. haha.

I have a feeling some would like that. Methadone goatse style

 

[xtcgrrrl]

I have a question. I'm about to see a new doctor (just a "second opinion" guy hopefully) but my FIL arranged this because he thinks my doctors are shit and that a "real" doctor from Manhattan will be better and I let him do it because the doctor is just going to tell him the same things my current doctor tells me...that I have a bad back and it's not getting better because I'm doing too much, especially too much bending and lifting, which my family doesn't see a problem with (today I had to carry my son and get his carseat out of the truck and get it buckled into the car and then buckle HIM into the car and then carry him all over the park with my two girls trailing me looking for some birthday party for my kid's friend. OW.) My friend who has been through a lot of pain management tells me that because my asshole FIL is going to harp on the fact that I'm an addict, he's going to suggest methadone for the pain because it's not as easily abusable. What I want to know is, will I still be able to take pain pills if I take methadone? Or poppy or anything like that? I've been self-medicating for a while because my insurance lapsed and it only recently kicked back in. But I want to have the ability to take extra meds if I need them. And not have a bad reaction or anything. Let me know, thanks!

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

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I mean, yes technically you'll be able to take other opiates, but if you're on a high enough dose of methadone, usually 70-80mg's +, methadone will act as blockade and you really wont feel much from taking other opiates, and trying to take extra to push through the blockade is dangerous as it can lead to overdose. If you're on non-blocking dose, you still have to watch out for OD with taking extra meds, and also, raising your tolerance where eventually your normal methadone dose wont do it for you anymore.

The best option, if you're going to switch to methadone, is commit and switch to only that. Find the right dose the stabilizes you and deals with your pain, and stay on it. If you're on the right dose of methadone, there is no need to take anything else on top of it.

 

[xtcgrrrl]

right. good, sound advice. I knew I could count on you, Mr. S.

Another concern I have is that if I go on methadone I won't be able to get off. I'm hoping (although it doesn't look likely now that they're telling me I have fibromalyia, sadly enough) to one day not be in pain. What then?

 

[MMT]

^Why are we always told that if you're taking methadone for addiction you will/and do feel physical pain just like anyone else and opiate pain control meds should be given as nessesary?

 

[sketchesha]

first time poster here. I'm on mmt, at 100mgs, and I abuse my take homes every week. my question is that my last dose was taken about 39 hours ago. I only have about 30 mgs left until Tuesday morning. should I go ahead and take it now or try and wait till tomorrow? I just want it to hold me as long as possible. thanks a lot and I appreciate everyone on this site

 

[anonomous]

Although methadone saved my life from my addiction to heroin, its withdrawal effects can be much worse and more prolonged, as it has a half life of up to 50 hours. Nazi Germany first invented methadone as an effective pain medication after the middle east cut them off of their opium supply. Yes many great inventions came out of Nazi Germany, methadone I'm not so sure is one of them. After years of daily dosage, if you where to be cut off for any reason from your medication, well if you have lived it it's pure hell. I met a guy who had cancer on his pituitary gland (maybe mispelled), he was perscribed 160mg liquid methadone daily. Then some glitch happened with this obama care that cut him off of his medication for over 6 weeks. He swore he did not have one nights rest in 6 weeks and couldn't eat, and was in the most agonizing pain both physically and mentally he'd ever endured. Sure methadone can save the lives of opium based addicts, but trading one subtance for another that is potentially worse and that is health care controlled isnt always the answer. Maybe think about a detox and follow up recovery center and maybe a 12 step program instead of this chemical substitue. I spent 4 years on methadone, it saved my life, but I played Russian rulette by trading one chemical for another that was much more addictive and exhibits much worse withdraw symptoms.

 

[MMT]

^What they did to that guy is criminal malpractice.

 

[onederlanned]

So I Just posted this in another thread, but I am going to get a response asap....so I figured I would post here too. Since I am on MMT


I have been on mmt for a year and a half..up to 130mg, started going down about 1-2 mg/week a few months ago, I'm now at 108. On the weekends I usually skip my doses and smoke tar. I've also been smoking a little bit of glass every morning before work for the past two months...I'd say in the past 80 days, I've taken 4 days off...But I do very little at once. A $10 bag can last me a week. Not sure how much it is, but basically each morning I floor about half a match head worth..
So anyways, this weekend I got a couple grams of tar, and was gonna abstain from the glass til Monday but, addicts will be addicts.. so I took my morning dose at the clinic on Friday,used tar and glass after work, also took about 40 mg oxy, and to sleep, took a .5 ativan around 3 am.
Saturday I woke up around noon.. and smoked tar all day, about a gram, and smoked some glass, even up until like 6 pm, but I was able to go to sleep by about 10...woke up today (Sunday) about 9.
Only had about .3g of tar left. Finished it before noon. Chewed up an oc 80 around 11 am. Took 50mg methadone at 130PM, then another 50mg at 6PM. Smoked about 3 hits of glass at 6, too, because I had a date and was feeling tired. Now it is 9PM, I have to be up for work at 5am..I was laying in bed, and thinking how much it would suck to be up all night, from the glass..so I bit off about half ofa.5mg ativan...and now I'm just laying here, feeling panicked, because I know mixing benzodiazepines and opiates is dangerous...I only did so because I have a big opiate tolerance...But I was just hoping that my worries are unnecessary and I'm totally fine..so I wanted to post here and hopefully get some assurance..so any input is appreciated.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Although methadone saved my life from my addiction to heroin, its withdrawal effects can be much worse and more prolonged, as it has a half life of up to 50 hours. Nazi Germany first invented methadone as an effective pain medication after the middle east cut them off of their opium supply. Yes many great inventions came out of Nazi Germany, methadone I'm not so sure is one of them. After years of daily dosage, if you where to be cut off for any reason from your medication, well if you have lived it it's pure hell. I met a guy who had cancer on his pituitary gland (maybe mispelled), he was perscribed 160mg liquid methadone daily. Then some glitch happened with this obama care that cut him off of his medication for over 6 weeks. He swore I did not have one nights rest in 6 weeks and couldn't eat, and was in the most agonizing pain both physically and mentally he'd ever endured. Sure methadone can save the lives of opium based addicts, but trading one subtance for another that is potentially worse and that is health care controlled isnt always the answer. Maybe think about a detox and follow up recovery center and maybe a 12 step program instead of this chemical substitue. I spent 4 years on methadone, it saved my life, but I played Russian rulette by trading one chemical for another that was much more addictive and exhibits much worse withdraw symptoms.

Yeah you have to think long and hard before getting on methadone and decide if it really is right for you. For some, it's a really bad idea and will just make your situation much worse. It's not for everybody, and like every type of way get clean, should be researched and considered strongly.

And brutal what happened to that guy. Coming off 160mg's like that CT... agonizing.

 

[anonomous]

So I Just posted this in another thread, but I am going to get a response asap....so I figured I would post here too. Since I am on MMT


I have been on mmt for a year and a half..up to 130mg, started going down about 1-2 mg/week a few months ago, I'm now at 108. On the weekends I usually skip my doses and smoke tar. I've also been smoking a little bit of glass every morning before work for the past two months...I'd say in the past 80 days, I've taken 4 days off...But I do very little at once. A $10 bag can last me a week. Not sure how much it is, but basically each morning I floor about half a match head worth..
So anyways, this weekend I got a couple grams of tar, and was gonna abstain from the glass til Monday but, addicts will be addicts.. so I took my morning dose at the clinic on Friday,used tar and glass after work, also took about 40 mg oxy, and to sleep, took a .5 ativan around 3 am.
Saturday I woke up around noon.. and smoked tar all day, about a gram, and smoked some glass, even up until like 6 pm, but I was able to go to sleep by about 10...woke up today (Sunday) about 9.
Only had about .3g of tar left. Finished it before noon. Chewed up an oc 80 around 11 am. Took 50mg methadone at 130PM, then another 50mg at 6PM. Smoked about 3 hits of glass at 6, too, because I had a date and was feeling tired. Now it is 9PM, I have to be up for work at 5am..I was laying in bed, and thinking how much it would suck to be up all night, from the glass..so I bit off about half ofa.5mg ativan...and now I'm just laying here, feeling panicked, because I know mixing benzodiazepines and opiates is dangerous...I only did so because I have a big opiate tolerance...But I was just hoping that my worries are unnecessary and I'm totally fine..so I wanted to post here and hopefully get some assurance..so any input is appreciated.

108mgs of methadone daily is enough to have a half life to cover almost an entire weekend, after doses of 60 mg of methadone daily build up in your system, it acts as a blocker to any other opiate, making other opiates useless, one more thing, methadone and benzodiazapines are nothing to joke about. When I was on methadone I took a bar of xanax and went into whats commonly known as a functioning blackout. Where you appear to be awake and people can talk to you but you'll have no recollection of any of it many hours later. Playing with methadone and benzo's is a scary thing.

 

[anonomous]

^What they did to that guy is criminal malpractice.

Furthermore, the reason he was cut off and how I met him, was that he was put in jail for DUI for driving under his prescription medication methadone. He admitted he was tired that night and was probably driving poorly when he was stopped by police. But this certainly doesn't credit a DUI in my book, and the judges either. When he finally had his day in court the judge threw it out. But that process can take time. Time which almost killed him.

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Furthermore, the reason he was cut off and how I met him, was that he was put in jail for DUI for driving under his prescription medication methadone. He admitted he was tired that night and was probably driving poorly when he was stopped by police. But this certainly doesn't credit a DUI in my book, and the judges either. When he finally had his day in court the judge threw it out. But that process can take time. Time which almost killed him.

TBH if you're aware that your driving is impaired it's generally a DUI even if it's prescription medication; he's lucky the judge was a bit compassionate.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Yeah you can 100% still get a DUI despite having a script. Being impaired is being impaired when it comes to driving. They don't care about the circumstances of you taking whatever it is, only that you're behind the wheel.

 

[Emme80]

Unfortunately, (or fortunately, as it can potentially harm you & others)it is def. true that any kind of medication coupled with "impaired" driving can warrant a DUI. In the beginning of my methadone treatment - w/in the 1st 2/3wks.- I had to drive about 30min to&fro for my methadone daily. I did this at about 5am., so I could come home, shower& get to work. One morning, on the way home from clinic, I was tired... and yes, the methadone did make me kinda spacey in the beginnings of treatment. As I neared home, I noticed a white truck right behind me- it became very obvious he was following me as I turned each of the corners to my home. When I pulled up to the house, the white truck was there- out came a police officer. UGH! He said I'd been driving erratically, (I do know he was exaggerating...playing it up b/c he said he'd been following me from a point that I never...and logically would never be at on my route- I took the same route every day& I knew I was never on "X" street/at even said crossroads). He claimed I was swerving across the 3lanes. (I was tired, but I DO know I was not swerving across 3 lanes... and hypothetically, If so, I do believe he would have had every reason to call for back up/arrested me on spot). He questioned me- I said I'd went to store for cigarettes & yes, I was tired...that I had taken a Benadryl that night & that's prob. what had made me groggy. He searched my vehicle. Nothing to be found(I'm an OCD clean, organized to a fault person). Seeing a baby's car seat in my auto, he lectured me that It could be child endangerment. I do/did not have a child... It was for when I ever watched my sweet new baby nephew&needed to go anywhere (which when I watched him, I never went anywhere...but of course, I needed a car seat for the "incase"). He seemed a little disappointed that I was not an irresponsible mother. But to the point, he gave me a breathalyzer, did the DUI road tests dealio(I passed all) & then he warned me that even taking a simple Benadryl is cause for driving under the influence. He did become... less harsh or "intimidating" when my mother came out of the house to see what was going on though.Funny, I thought how the "mood" shifted at that point. He made me mad(as well, it was scary to have a mysterious white truck following me all the way into my driveway, when it was still dark out), but I became hyper aware of the fact that any med., prescribed or OTC can result in a DUI.(Needless to say, my mom drive me to clinic for the next couple of weeks, until my body "adjusted")
Nothing profound said here, I know, but it was an experience that "woke me up". Any impairment can result in a DUI. Best to not chance it. Just my experience.

 

[Emme80]

Question: I want to make sure I have this right...
I've been on Methadone for nearly 6yrs., for an 80mg. daily habit of OC that spanned almost a year.( I do wish I'd tried other "1st line treatments" first...or known more about treatments... My Dr. said methadone was what I needed...I just wish we'd tried /I'd gone to a rehab first/something else- as Methadone is the biggest addiction/dependency I've ever had. Nothing compared to what kind of habit I had for 1year). Anyways, frustration about that set aside....! The highest dose I was on(about 4yrs.ago) was about 140mg.(give or take 10mg.) I didn't use since I started- unless one would count surgeries... had to have 4surgeries in one year, but I did not use all the pain meds. Always had someone else hold&give me them as needed. For the past almost 2yrs. , my dose was about 45mg. I have been tapering on my own w/my take outs the last 6months- saving mgs. that I didn't take. I am now down to 7mg. (Other complications/obstacles are ahead of me, but that's a whole diff. Thread) what I'm wondering- I've been under 14 mg. for about 2months. Steadily, but what I feel isn't TOO quickly, decreasing. I really can't wait to be free. So, whether or not I take it down to 3mg/1mg./.5mg... will my "accute"/"severe" wd's. be kind of based on what's been in my body for the last month or recent weeks from which I jump off, or will it be just the same as if I'd jumped at 45mg.? I've read so many diff. answers to this. Perhaps there is no definite for sure answer. My clinic always told me slow to zero&you will be FINE. Any positive experiences going slow, down 1mg. Or even .5mg? Or am I just the same to jump at 3mg? Any input is gratefully appreciated!
(I am on all the "called for" vitamins, have "comfort meds" if needed..I've been preparing for this... Too bad I didn't do this kind of research about treatments/methadone 6yrs. ago :/ )