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Will heroin ever be legal in the US?

Draven26 said:
Marijuana sucks ass.. I prefer Meth anyday to be legalized.. at least pharmaceutical Meth like Desoxyn.. or shit even just plain ole dextroamphetamine like dexedrine!
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Amphetamine probably has a better shot at legalization. Many people seem to be under the impression that meth is fully illegal, despite the fact that it can be legally proscribed for ADHD and obesity. Amphetamine and methylphenidate, on the other hand, are widely used and accepted in ADHD treatment.

Of course, that condition is almost certainly overdiagnosed, but that might actually work to our advantage. If little kids can take amphetamine every day without turning into a bunch if crazed baseheads, there's no reason adults can't use it recreationally. The fact that a large percentage of that population likely does not actually suffer from the disorder could help steer the conversation away from "paradoxical effects" that supposedly make it impossible for someone with ADHD to get high from their meds.
 
HCL said:
Amphetamine probably has a better shot at legalization. Many people seem to be under the impression that meth is fully illegal, despite the fact that it can be legally proscribed for ADHD and obesity. Amphetamine and methylphenidate, on the other hand, are widely used and accepted in ADHD treatment.

Of course, that condition is almost certainly overdiagnosed, but that might actually work to our advantage. If little kids can take amphetamine every day without turning into a bunch if crazed baseheads, there's no reason adults can't use it recreationally. The fact that a large percentage of that population likely does not actually suffer from the disorder could help steer the conversation away from "paradoxical effects" that supposedly make it impossible for someone with ADHD to get high from their meds.
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I know the only thing that sucks is I live in California and doctors here seriously suck ass! I tried being honest and thinking that it would help and told them in the past that I had a problem with Meth but that I quit cold turkey. I also told them that I don't want to be prescribed any anti-depressants because I'm not depressed. I told them if they were going to go that route that they could prescribe me something mild like Ritalin or Focalin because I read that it treats people with depression or people with a drug problem and I even told them to look it up. I told them my major problem was trouble focusing and feeling lethargic all the time and they asked if it was my thyroid and I told them no. Told them many times that I got blood work done and everything seems fine I just needed something to help me from sleeping too much and some mild stimulant to help keep me awake and alert and focused so I'm not in bed all day long. After months of trying they said no stimulants and ended up prescribing me nothing but anti-depressants. I tried so many psychiatrists and psychologists.. it was such a waste of time. It's been 2 years and I'm now clean off of Meth and any kind of uppers.. and don't get me wrong my life is finally starting to feel better but I've gotta say I know I abused Meth and that was partially my fault at the time because I had a lot of shitty relationships with women and they were fucking with my head so I wanted to numb the pain.. but if I was ever in a good place and me being almost 28 coming up in July.. I gurantee you I wouldn't go crazy with the Meth if I ever picked up the habit again. I know how to use stimulants like that safely.. it's just at the time I was a little immature and wild for my own good. But I always took care of myself, always stayed hydrated, flossed my teeth, brushed, showered twice a day only because I sweat a little more than usual lmaoo but I had great hygiene, slept, ate.. looked shredded and felt sexy and confident. I had a lot of great memories with Meth I gotta say.. I think that's why I still think about it every now and again! Recorded a lot of great songs on it, loved playing the piano and singing and I had some awesome gym sessions while using Meth. But now I'm married and I am happy.. but my brain still wishes at least Desoxyn was a little more legal in the way that doctors should be able to prescribe to anyone that would be responsible with a mild dose of Dexosyn or Dexedrine.. just plain ole Dextroamphetamine.. or should like I said even Focalin.. you can't get more mild than that! They can't prescribe somebody responsible like myself something like that. They can't even give me a chance to monitor me so that I can show them that I can take stimulant meds responsibly yet they prescribe Adderall to an 8 year old kid I know in childcare and his mom has to tell me about how much it's fucking up his hard. It's like WTF!? What doctor is he going to maybe I've tried shitty doctors but haven't tried hard enough to find the right one like that bastard. And why the fuck would anyone prescribe an 8 year old Adderall. This kid has mild ADHD.. but it's very mild! I just don't understand doctors.. they piss me off so bad!
 
Decriminalized in 15-20 maybe

I don't think ever legal. Too much stigma.

I think weed will eventually become age restricted legal in many or most states but not other drugs. Bad mojo (perceived) from doing that
 
Who the fuck knows really? I think it depends on how things work out in Portugal is it? Which two nations have now decriminalized all drugs? Their success or failure will likely set the tone for the rest of the world.

I don't understand why it isn't legal, tbh. Overdoses are caused by a disparity in purity and ignorance. Both of which would be greatly reduced in a world with legalized heroin. And realistically speaking, addiction aside, heroin isn't really bad for you. It's those fucking cuts the dealers use.

It boggles my mind that in the U.S. Heroin is said to have no medicinal value, yet we prescribe drugs like Oxycodone, OxyMorphone and Fentanyl. A true fucking joke.

But we all know the government doesn't give a shit about our (the average citizen's) welfare.
 
Blind Melon said:
Who the fuck knows really? I think it depends on how things work out in Portugal is it? Which two nations have now decriminalized all drugs? Their success or failure will likely set the tone for the rest of the world.

I don't understand why it isn't legal, tbh. Overdoses are caused by a disparity in purity and ignorance. Both of which would be greatly reduced in a world with legalized heroin. And realistically speaking, addiction aside, heroin isn't really bad for you. It's those fucking cuts the dealers use.

It boggles my mind that in the U.S. Heroin is said to have no medicinal value, yet we prescribe drugs like Oxycodone, OxyMorphone and Fentanyl. A true fucking joke.

But we all know the government doesn't give a shit about our (the average citizen's) welfare.
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I know I have a shitty doctor who doesn't believe in prescribing any kind of opiates.. he's even hesitant to refilling my Tramadol and it's a non narcotic. Yet he writes me a script for Gabapentin.. wtf? I looked up the sides for that and personally anything that says weight gain I'm staying away from! But that shit is for nerve pain.. mother fucker I got a herniated disc and scoliosis and you're going to bitch that you don't want to give me even a low dose of Percocet or better yet norcos but you're going to prescribe me something that will cause me to get fat, fuck up my insides and not do a damn thing because it's not what my body needs dumbass! I swear man doctors piss me off so much no wonder people self-medicate! Personally fuck the Norcos and Percs.. just give me a 10mgs of oxycodone and I'll be straight. It's now like I would ever abuse opiates anyways! I was always a Meth guy.. 2 years clean off that shit and now I just want my fucking back to heal and if I'm ever in pain I would like the option of taking something that will actually work is all! Seriously why is it so hard?
 
Will it "ever" be legal? I'm almost certain it will be. In any of our lifetimes? I doubt it.
 
If it is, it certainly wont be any time in the near future. Although the thought of being able to go down to the corner store and pick up a bundle of high quality regulated and consistent heroin, without all the nasty cuts from the street, is pretty appealing.

A man can dream.
 
I agree with Mr. Scag, not in the near-future.

Currently the media refers to heroin addiction, an epidemic. It's taking too many lives here in the U.S. for that to be considered, or possibly the opposite will arise out of this situation. They will realize throwing people in jail without treatment or the only available ORT being bupe or MMT, may not be working as well as they initially thought it would. Maybe diamorphine maintenance isn't that far off after all? Who knows.
 
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Yeah I agree. Hopefully they will wake up to the fact that taking a bunch on non-violent, sick people, and throwing them in jail.. does absolutely nothing to solve the problem, and since the so called "war on drugs" began in the 70's, drug use has only increased, and dramatically at that. There needs to be a gross shift in how society and the government views addiction and drugs as a whole, and until that happens, I don't see anything changing.

Unfortunately, there are some real nefarious and control/profit/greed based reasons, why drugs like heroin will remain illegal and this "war" will rage on. So it goes much deeper than just how people view heroin. There is a concerted effort going on behind the scenes, to keep these drugs illegal, by the millions of people who profit and benefit because of it.
 
heroin would be legal if all drugs were legal, which won't happen in my lifetime probably (i'm 27.) but JUST heroin? nah that's the most hated drug other than crack (they're pretty much tied) and you can basically get legal heroin by prescription anyway.
 
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