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Keep on truckin yoyo!

Im in the predicament where, plugging 70mg MXE does give you a loobly warm rush, but ive gotta be careful not to keep going after that loobly rush otherwise i'll end up in a wonkimefication
 
So you should be i was being sarcastic.

I like to feel i'm open minded though. I'm no prohibitionist by any means. My gripe with your take on things is that living in a democracy inevitably requires experts and advisors to aid the government in the policies they choose to put forward. Yes I'm talking about David Nutt and the ACMD. While the majority of country may feel in their gut that alcohol is right and "drugs" are wrong, it is the job of the Government to let their advisors doe their job, especially since they are the only people in the country capable of doing it.

lol derrr raas

ok im not so taken aback.

The experts have reason for their decisions, you know most illegal drugs genuinely do have dangerous aspects to them. They don't just make it all up to piss you off.
 
Yeah but not all of us drink ten pints of stella

Half a bottle or more of gin ain't so very different to ten pints of Stella, Raas.

Your illicit drugs tend to be more psychoactive and psychedelic than booze (ie - trippier) and cause more problems to the mind. Rightfully so - the law is there to protect people who may harm themselves. We're a democracy also, remember, the majority of the country is happy that these substances are illegal.

This is utter drivel. On what measure are you comparing the psychoactive qualities of one drug with another? Is there a standard measure of intoxication? You're expressing a preference not a fact. And to suggest that alcohol is somehow less damaging to the mind is frankly offensive to anybody who has had to deal with alcoholism either in themselves or a friend or family member. Alcohol ruins the mind. It also does so more permanently and irreversibly than many other drugs do. Alcohol is an incredibly destructive drug - so are many others but alcohol is right up there with the worst of them and to suggest otherwise suggests ignorance on the highest scale. Or it suggests pointless shit-stirring cos you know damn well you're talking utter bollocks. I'm genuinely not sure which.

The majority of the country is in favour of capital punishment too, doesn't make them right.

The experts have reason for their decisions, you know most illegal drugs genuinely do have dangerous aspects to them. They don't just make it all up to piss you off.

Actually they do in many cases. The US government has been caught out in this respect several times. The UK government simply parrots what they say over the pond so are just as bad. Remember how MDMA creates holes in the brain? They even had a bright colourful picture to prove it. They failed to mention the picture was false colour and represented something else entirely and they also failed to mention the holes in the brain only occurred in rats when injected directly into the brain with methamphetamine. Cos they got their vials mixed up and didn't think it worth mentioning. Governments don't just make this shit up you say?
 
Course, I'd never actually manage to be that eloquent. I'd probably just tell raas he was a cunt instead. =D
 
Shamby, typing the words of sense

No Shambles is regurgitating a typical drug advocating response, expected really on a drugs forum. He's coming out with nonsense facts to prove his point and is completely misrepresenting my post. Look:




Half a bottle or more of gin ain't so very different to ten pints of Stella, Raas.

First off this is complete nonsense.

10 pints 5% beer: 28 units.

35cl of 37.5% bottle alcohol: 13.125 units



And also I haven't started on all the shitey chemicals you additionally consume inside those 10 pints....
Shambles said:
And to suggest that alcohol is somehow less damaging to the mind is frankly offensive to anybody who has had to deal with alcoholism either in themselves or a friend or family member. Alcohol ruins the mind. It also does so more permanently and irreversibly than many other drugs do. Alcohol is an incredibly destructive drug - so are many others but alcohol is right up there with the worst of them and to suggest otherwise suggests ignorance on the highest scale. Or it suggests pointless shit-stirring cos you know damn well you're talking utter bollocks. I'm genuinely not sure which.

Neither shit stirring or talking bollocks my friend, rather you haven't read my post properly. I said at the very beginning that I was not referring to abuse/misuse stories or people who drink 10 pints of stella every night. Of course it's going to cause problems if you drink it incessantly. See:

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Yeah but not all of us drink ten pints of stella only coltdan. Like buying a knife, it has it's purpose... but you go careless with it and chop your finger off, well you only have yourself to blaim. Use it properly and carefully and it's harmless.

You can kill yourself off caffeine if you abuse it enough. Doesn't make it comparable as a substance to class A's.


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The majority of the country is in favour of capital punishment too, doesn't make them right.

Selectively worded there, to make your point. Read into it a little more..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-return-death-penalty-reveals-shock-poll.html
A survey suggests 53% of the population believe in lethal injection (humane way to go) for those who commit the most serious of crimes: Mass murder, child murder, terrorism and war crimes.

Lethal injection for the most serious of crimes is not exactly unjustifiable thinking from the public, now is it?

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This is utter drivel. On what measure are you comparing the psychoactive qualities of one drug with another? Is there a standard measure of intoxication? You're expressing a preference not a fact.

Well, bit of common sense tells us the mind works a lot harder on most illicit drugs than alcohol? (I'm thinking along the lines of psych's, speed, E's here) if you measure the cerebral activity with a brain scan, yeah I'm sure it's higher in most illegal drugs. (I can't be bothered to look for research as it seems pretty obvious)

Alcohol tends to make you jolly/bit of a dick (depending on your predisposition) and puts you in a bit of a stupor. Not really as intense as other drugs that leave you in ecstasy for hours, hallucinating, turning veggie, finding Shiva or whatever



Shambles said:
Remember how MDMA creates holes in the brain? They even had a bright colourful picture to prove it. They failed to mention the picture was false colour and represented something else entirely and they also failed to mention the holes in the brain only occurred in rats when injected directly into the brain with methamphetamine. Cos they got their vials mixed up and didn't think it worth mentioning. Governments don't just make this shit up you say?

Ricaurte was a crap, biased researcher working for the government, true, but they retracted that article as soon as they found out about the meth mix-up. MDMA was also quite a new drug on the scene back in 'dem days, so government were naturally cautious in determining how safe it was and how to class it. There is blatantly a system in place to decide which drugs should be illegal and which legal - sometimes it's controversial - but they do look at the strength of the drug and how it is linked to mental health problems etc.











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I'm still off the booze, can't say I miss it often.

I've not been in this thread for a while, I've been left to my own devices this evening as Mrs A has taken my progeny to visit family.

Amphetamines are on the menu this evening and very decent ones at that.
 
I'm still off the booze, can't say I miss it often.

I've not been in this thread for a while, I've been left to my own devices this evening as Mrs A has taken my progeny to visit family.

Amphetamines are on the menu this evening and very decent ones at that.

Shit, Allein, I remember you telling me on the 4th when I told you "why I vacated from a certain establishment for three days," I won't mention drinking to you. Really sorry, that was insensitive n thoughtless of me.. Well done on keeping off it though.

Evey xxxx
 
You can kill yourself off caffeine if you abuse it enough. Doesn't make it comparable as a substance to class A's.

More drivel. You can be prescribed Class As by a doctor and use them perfectly legitimately for any number of issues. You can also use them responsibly and avoid the problems associated with habitual and/or heavy use. Also, the drug classification system is utterly meaningless and no reputable doctor in the land agrees with it completely. They are arbitrary distinctions brought about for societal reasons not medical or scientific reasons in virtually all cases.

A survey suggests 53% of the population believe in lethal injection (humane way to go) for those who commit the most serious of crimes: Mass murder, child murder, terrorism and war crimes.

I can only presume ignorance or stupidity. Or maliciousness but I doubt that cos I know you're not actually malicious no matter how much it may appear to be the case at times. You've heard of the horror stories of people left paralysed in agony for up to half an hour or more whilst some inept technician (doctors are not allowed to perform lethal injections as it breaks the Hippocratic Oath) stabs at them over and over again with a frikkin massive needle, yes? You know the actual way you die from lethal injection, yes? You know it's one of the most painful experiences possible, yes? It may look peaceful to the poor witnesses who have to sit and watch a person be murdered but that's only because the victim is paralysed. What happens next is utterly barbaric. The chemical used is highly caustic and causes severe burns. It does not kill instantly by any means. It can take a very long time indeed. Think nearer an hour in extreme cases than a quick poke and off to sleep. Lethal injection is torture not just execution. The electric chair is probably more humane and that's saying something 8(

As a minor aside, if the death penalty must be used then why not use fentanyl or similar strong opioid? Because it's seen as a soft option because there is no pain involved that's why. The chemicals used for lethal injection currently are hideous and barbaric. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Lethal injection for the most serious of crimes is not exactly unjustifiable thinking from the public, now is it?

Yes it is entirely unjustifiable. At least if they are human beings with empathy and feeling. It's not being soft on crime to not wish to see people tortured to death. There is no justification for the death penalty under any circumstances. All it does it make state and criminal equal.

Well, bit of common sense tells us the mind works a lot harder on most illicit drugs than alcohol? (I'm thinking along the lines of psych's, speed, E's here) if you measure the cerebral activity with a brain scan, yeah I'm sure it's higher in most illegal drugs. (I can't be bothered to look for research as it seems pretty obvious)

Alcohol tends to make you jolly/bit of a dick (depending on your predisposition) and puts you in a bit of a stupor. Not really as intense as other drugs that leave you in ecstasy for hours, hallucinating, turning veggie, finding Shiva or whatever

This is such a pisspoor attempt at justification I really have nothing to say to it. You made yourself look stupid enough as it is. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ricaurte was a crap, biased researcher working for the government, true, but they retracted that article as soon as they found out about the meth mix-up. MDMA was also quite a new drug on the scene back in 'dem days, so government were naturally cautious in determining how safe it was and how to class it.

No they didn't. It was in place for years after the mix-up was discovered and is still quoted to this day. MDMA was not a new drug on the scene back then - it had been legal and used (sold over the counter at bars no less) in America for well over a decade when that report was made. It had been legal and in use since the mid-60s. It became far more widespread in the 90s, yes. But that is in no way justification for rushing through what was already known to be false evidence to scaremonger the public.
 
I'm not in the least bit bothered, Mrs A still enjoys a glass of wine.

For me abstinence isnt about availability, alcohol is an example of why I don't think it is for many people either.

I choose not to drink anymore, like I choose not to have sugar in my coffee. I was never a drinker in my younger years, in fact I rarely drank as I usually drove the car to free parties and didn't like mixing booze with MDMA anyway. It crept up on me after I gave up smoking hash, and turned into a bottle of whiskey a day problem, it's a shit drug to abuse like that.
 
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