Shamby, typing the words of sense
No Shambles is regurgitating a typical drug advocating response, expected really on a drugs forum. He's coming out with nonsense facts to prove his point and is completely misrepresenting my post. Look:
Half a bottle or more of gin ain't so very different to ten pints of Stella, Raas.
First off this is complete nonsense.
10 pints 5% beer: 28 units.
35cl of 37.5% bottle alcohol: 13.125 units
And also I haven't started on all the shitey chemicals you additionally consume inside those 10 pints....
Shambles said:
And to suggest that alcohol is somehow less damaging to the mind is frankly offensive to anybody who has had to deal with alcoholism either in themselves or a friend or family member. Alcohol ruins the mind. It also does so more permanently and irreversibly than many other drugs do. Alcohol is an incredibly destructive drug - so are many others but alcohol is right up there with the worst of them and to suggest otherwise suggests ignorance on the highest scale. Or it suggests pointless shit-stirring cos you know damn well you're talking utter bollocks. I'm genuinely not sure which.
Neither shit stirring or talking bollocks my friend, rather you haven't read my post properly. I said at the very beginning that I was not referring to abuse/misuse stories or people who drink 10 pints of stella every night. Of course it's going to cause problems if you drink it incessantly. See:
raas said:
Yeah but not all of us drink ten pints of stella only coltdan. Like buying a knife, it has it's purpose... but you go careless with it and chop your finger off, well you only have yourself to blaim. Use it properly and carefully and it's harmless.
You can kill yourself off caffeine if you abuse it enough. Doesn't make it comparable as a substance to class A's.
Shambles said:
The majority of the country is in favour of capital punishment too, doesn't make them right.
Selectively worded there, to make your point. Read into it a little more..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-return-death-penalty-reveals-shock-poll.html
A survey suggests 53% of the population believe in lethal injection (humane way to go) for those who commit the most serious of crimes: Mass murder, child murder, terrorism and war crimes.
Lethal injection for the most serious of crimes is not exactly unjustifiable thinking from the public, now is it?
Shammy said:
This is utter drivel. On what measure are you comparing the psychoactive qualities of one drug with another? Is there a standard measure of intoxication? You're expressing a preference not a fact.
Well, bit of common sense tells us the mind works a lot harder on most illicit drugs than alcohol? (I'm thinking along the lines of psych's, speed, E's here) if you measure the cerebral activity with a brain scan, yeah I'm sure it's higher in most illegal drugs. (I can't be bothered to look for research as it seems pretty obvious)
Alcohol tends to make you jolly/bit of a dick (depending on your predisposition) and puts you in a bit of a stupor. Not really as intense as other drugs that leave you in ecstasy for hours, hallucinating, turning veggie, finding Shiva or whatever
Shambles said:
Remember how MDMA creates holes in the brain? They even had a bright colourful picture to prove it. They failed to mention the picture was false colour and represented something else entirely and they also failed to mention the holes in the brain only occurred in rats when injected directly into the brain with methamphetamine. Cos they got their vials mixed up and didn't think it worth mentioning. Governments don't just make this shit up you say?
Ricaurte was a crap, biased researcher working for the government, true, but they retracted that article as soon as they found out about the meth mix-up. MDMA was also quite a new drug on the scene back in 'dem days, so government were naturally cautious in determining how safe it was and how to class it. There is blatantly a system in place to decide which drugs should be illegal and which legal - sometimes it's controversial - but they do look at the strength of the drug and how it is linked to mental health problems etc.

