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The EADD I'm Fucked Megathread - We Don't Even Know What Day it is

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ColtDan said:
The hypocrisy of booze drinkers criticizing drug users has always gotten on my tits, clueless wankers
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It's funny, even after going on some sort of liver health "spread the word" mission, the thing that fucks me off the most is just the pure moralistic judgementalism behind the whole thing.
 
Sammy G said:
That's pretty good going raas, so congratulations.

Spookily we appear to have given up the booze on the same day, only I've not relapsed yet. Only takes a long weekend like the one approaching us for temptation to work its evil magic though. I hope we both hold out.
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Awesome. It astonishes me just how addictive alcohol really is. It crosses my mind frequently how nice it would be to have a glass of something. I'm finding that applying yourself to something (in my case running) makes it easier. Gives the mind something else to focus on.

HouseFever said:
All it takes for me is to walk into a shop to get a bit of food, and see a fridge full of glistening polish beer. And I get a couple, and after that I end up getting pissed. With booze, its gotta be all or nothing with me
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Me three. if I'm offered a glass of wine, I will have to decline. Because after that glass I will only want more.

Another problem is having a pint or 2 for lunch with someone. Because the rest of the day I will now feel shitty and tired... so naturally I will want to continue drinking so that I can feel good again.

Swarm said:
alot of people never do the basic maths when it comes to booze. This is the main health concern the way i see it. Say you go out and drink ten pints of stella right. That's a 250 g of ethanol you put in your body. Imagine doing 250 g of any other drug? No. You can't. This is the main reason why I don't actually really see alcohol as a drug myself. To me it's just a solvent. The worst thing is that each ethanol molecule is so small compared to pretty much any other drug (its six times lighter / smaller than an individual molecule of cocaine for instance). So not only are we putting a quarter of a kilo of ethanol in us when we go out on the piss, that quarter of a kilo is made up of molecules so small that end result is that the liver has so many molecules of alcohol it has to deal with. And that's just the first part. After the liver deals with the the first round of booze you're left with ethanal in it's place - a much more toxic substance. This ofcourse eventually gets broken down to some harmless metabolite and then it's all over (unless you happen to suffer from oriental flushing - that's where the ethanal doesn't get broken down any further because the drinker doesn't have the right enzymes, but that's taking us too far a field ).

This is what pisses me off the most when it comes to the legality of alcohol and the illegality of drugs. The next time some piss head social worker tells me i'm poisening myself i'm gonna flip.
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Yeah but not all of us drink ten pints of stella only coltdan. Like buying a knife, it has it's purpose... but you go careless with it and chop your finger off, well you only have yourself to blaim. Use it properly and carefully and it's harmless.

Your illicit drugs tend to be more psychoactive and psychedelic than booze (ie - trippier) and cause more problems to the mind. Rightfully so - the law is there to protect people who may harm themselves. We're a democracy also, remember, the majority of the country is happy that these substances are illegal.
 
The glory days were amazing

Swarm said:
It's funny, even after going on some sort of liver health "spread the word" mission, the thing that fucks me off the most is just the pure moralistic judgementalism behind the whole thing.
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Yep, media propaganda bullshitting everyone
 
Shambles said:
To follow such logic would require that GBL be a shitey drug. And it's not. Therefore I disagree in the strongest of terms.
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Yeah but gbl has like 20 times the character of ethanol. Forgetting for a second that gbl is only a solvent until you put it your body where it rapidly get's converted to GHB. The problem with alcohol is not that its a solvent, you can get complex solvent too - well slightly more complex in anycase. No the point is that ethanol is so simple that it literally will bind with any receptor it comes across. This is the exact reason why we have to consume 80 grams of it (four pints of stella) just to get an moderate effect (there are nuances to this argument that we can go down if we like). The bottom line is that ethanol is so simple, symmetrical and lacking in distinguishing features that it will bind to just about any receptor it comes across. This is why alcohol binds to gaba, NMDA, dopamine, serotonin, noradrenaline, as well as all the opiate receptors too. It's complicated though as it does not all of them at lower doses. Some of these systems, notably the NMDA receptor (of Ketamine fame) and the opiod family only kick in at higher doses.
 
Swarm said:
You make a fine point Raas. I'd forgotten about that last part. This changes everything.
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I have to say, that's very humble to admit you're wrong to an extent after I disagreed with what you said. Most people argue the "drugs should be legal if alcohol is, government are wankers!!" argument blindly to death.

Well done for being open-minded on the subject... im a little taken aback tbh
 
Swarm said:
Yeah but gbl has like 20 times the character of ethanol. Forgetting for a second that gbl is only a solvent until you put it your body where it rapidly get's converted to GHB. The problem with alcohol is not that its a solvent, you can get complex solvent too - well slightly more complex in anycase. No the point is that ethanol is so simple that it literally will bind with any receptor it comes across. This is the exact reason why we have to consume 80 grams of it (four pints of stella) just to get an moderate effect (there are nuances to this argument that we can go down if we like). The bottom line is that ethanol is so simple, symmetrical and lacking in distinguishing features that it will bind to just about any receptor it comes across. This is why alcohol binds to gaba, NMDA, dopamine, serotonin, noradrenaline, as well as all the opiate receptors too. It's complicated though as it does not all of them at lower doses. Some of these systems, notably the NMDA receptor (of Ketamine fame) and the opiod family only kick in at higher doses.
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Nice response =D

I agree insofar as I understand. Which is fairly limited given chemistry is involved. The bit I can extract from that is that GBL is the tits whereas ethanol is arse. I'm happy to leave it at that.
 
So you should be i was being sarcastic.

I like to feel i'm open minded though. I'm no prohibitionist by any means. My gripe with your take on things is that living in a democracy inevitably requires experts and advisors to aid the government in the policies they choose to put forward. Yes I'm talking about David Nutt and the ACMD. While the majority of country may feel in their gut that alcohol is right and "drugs" are wrong, it is the job of the Government to let their advisors doe their job, especially since they are the only people in the country capable of doing it.

This takes me back ten years or so when i was sat watching the tanks roll in on Iraq and Saddam Hussain in the aftermath of 9/11. The ignorance of a faux democracy as about un progressive as life can get.

I don't know you well Raas and I sure as hell do not claim to have any handle whatsoever on the complexities behind your political beliefs. In our few interactions we've had i've perceived you to be a stand up guy with a healthy sense of perspective - hence the reason I'm being so forthright with my stance on a potentially touchy subject with someone i don't know that well ... yet. :)
 
raas_2012 said:
I have to say, that's very humble to admit you're wrong to an extent after I disagreed with what you said. Most people argue the "drugs should be legal if alcohol is, government are wankers!!" argument blindly to death.

Well done for being open-minded on the subject... im a little taken aback tbh
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So you should be i was being sarcastic.

I like to feel i'm open minded though. I'm no prohibitionist by any means. My gripe with your take on things is that living in a democracy inevitably requires experts and advisors to aid the government in the policies they choose to put forward. Yes I'm talking about David Nutt and the ACMD. While the majority of country may feel in their gut that alcohol is right and "drugs" are wrong, it is the job of the Government to let their advisors doe their job, especially since they are the only people in the country capable of doing it.

This takes me back ten years or so when i was sat watching the tanks roll in on Iraq and Saddam Hussain in the aftermath of 9/11. The ignorance of a faux democracy as about un progressive as life can get.

I don't know you well Raas and I sure as hell do not claim to have any handle whatsoever on the complexities behind your political beliefs. In our few interactions we've had i've perceived you to be a stand up guy with a healthy sense of perspective - hence the reason I'm being so forthright with my stance on a potentially touchy subject with someone i don't know that well ... yet. :)
 
Shambles said:
GBL is the tits whereas ethanol is arse. I'm happy to leave it at that.
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Couldn't agree more mate. I still get flash backs to the time when poured 3 litres of GBL down the drain (it was something i just had to do at the time). Damn, though, especially now I'm starting to dabble with the old pee vee again.
 
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