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Bupe please help..bupe info needed

Amen to that..nothing comes easy and a shitty price to pay for all the joy...so from what I understood I gotta jump..excellent..since I'm on quarter a day now..ill give it another day of quarter n then skip a day..that is somehow logic..I've been having just the little restlessness n insomania at nite.but using 2 pills of panadol night which works wonders believe it or not...I sure hell hope this works..I gotta do it before its too late..thanks a lot :) and hey good luck to you too..you seem to be doing it right..keep it up n stay strong.
 
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Get down to a submilligram dose before jumping off. It will be a lot easier. 2mg is a high dose to come off, despite what the doctors tell you. Get down to at least .5, preferably .25. Big difference in symptom severity from 2mgs, and even 1mg.
 
Question: let's say I digest enuf heroin to feel it while am on bupr..and it kicks it out..do I wake up the next morning without any bup in my system hence feeling the right withdrawl or would my system still be under the influence and stil, need 72 hours so it gets out of my body..but again I repeat enough to feel the heroin and kicking the subs out..please someone answer me that...and yes I do agree mr scag about going down to milligrams..thanks a load for the advice..
 
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Heroin can never "kick bupe out", no matter how much you take. Bupe's binding affinity is much much higher than heroin. So, yes you'll still have the bupe in your system no matter how much dope you do on top of it.
 
The only drug that overrides bupe on the receptor is fentanyl I believe. Just stick to the taper with the sub man. U R overthinking the shit out of it. Just sit back and deal with the WD as they come. Stay as active as possible and the acute stuff will be over before u know it. 25% every 3-4 days...step off at .25 or less. At the end skip days between doses to allow for the half life to catch up, it will be kinda Sucky but doable nontheless
 
ladianios said:
The only drug that overrides bupe on the receptor is fentanyl I believe. Just stick to the taper with the sub man. U R overthinking the shit out of it. Just sit back and deal with the WD as they come. Stay as active as possible and the acute stuff will be over before u know it. 25% every 3-4 days...step off at .25 or less. At the end skip days between doses to allow for the half life to catch up, it will be kinda Sucky but doable nontheless
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Yoy noticed I'm over thinking huh?? You have no idea...I really am freakin out n I just wanna get over with it with the least damage possible.I really wanna be able to wake up one morning without having to worry bout my pain..anywayz thanks a lot really..I am gonna try putting down a notch tapering down to 1 mg then .5...thanks again
 
^^^ I used to do the same shit, just sit there and let my junkie mind concoct some master plan on how to get out of facing WD and after about my third cold turkey I realized my lizard brain was just amplifying it solo much. There is no denying the pain, it's inevitable but, forcing urself up to do shit makes a MAJOR difference on the whole. Do NOT sit there and dwell, u will suffer soooo much more. It is my personal opinion that u already effed up with the sub but if u taper off slowly u will escape much easier than if u jump off at 2mg. Plan on some suffering and it won't be as bad. Just make sure u r ready to endure a bit or it will all be a waste.
 
Yeah it's normal to build the withdrawal up in your head and freak out about it. Every junkie does that and it keeps a lot of people from getting clean.. the fear of withdrawal.

But you just have to face it and realize it really wont be that bad, certainly not as bad as you're imagining it in your mind, just tripping yourself out.

The whole point of tapering with bupe, is to make the withdrawals a lot easier. It's not like you're just hopping off cold turkey from a big oxy or heroin habit or something. You will be fine.
 
Its truw mr. Scag..its all inside my head and I know it..I think the big cause of such a freak out trip is caused from my heroin old habit that I really suffered a great deal in my life from..and since I was using heroin before subs that's why I'm freaking out.but I can't deny how much the subs made it easier for me to quit thinking about how to score more smack and just be convinced that being on medication is just a great deal and a huge step towards recovery n just being away from the junkie life..ur words are a great relief to me..thanks to you and ladi...I'm gonna jump to one mg after tomorrow and continue on a course of a week before I cut it down to even 0.5...but I gotta say guys..the 8mg pill is just really hard to cut down in precise measures more tban 4 quarters..but I'm gonna try my best to put micro subs and just rub them on my gum n hopefully ill be dead tired from my job n get back home n get knocked out and before I know it am waking up just fine...I'll update you guys on what happens with me over the next week..wish me luck..n I really can't tell you how great it is knowing I know for sure a lot of people did it n it aint impossible thanks to you guys..keep it clean keep it safe n thnks a heeps again.
 
I take it u have the small arrow pills? Very tough to get down to one mg doses....it can be done with a blade. Getting them down to .50 is gonna be a bitch. You should try to find some 2mg strips, that's the easiest but the 8mg strips can be used too....tweezers and small sharp scissors
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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Get down to a submilligram dose before jumping off. It will be a lot easier. 2mg is a high dose to come off, despite what the doctors tell you. Get down to at least .5, preferably .25. Big difference in symptom severity from 2mgs, and even 1mg.
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Yes exactly. In Australia they don't prescribe under 2mg anymore and they tell you it is fine to come off - and in a sense it is, but by no means is it smooth - sure, you'll live and to a degree, function, but it's not easy and it's a long time before the less acute symptoms disappear.

My wife is coming off now, saved up a whole bunch so she can taper well below 1mg. It is ridiculous in Aus that they won't prescribe doses under 1mg.
 
mostly-human said:
Shrunk: This is my experience with coming off sub earlier this year:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/713909-Coming-off-Suboxone-(buprenorphine)-a-POSITIVE-story
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I read your whole experience which is rather motivating and as you said which is very true is you search the net none of the addicts share their experience as a good experience to motivate others but makes it depressing for others having to read the bad withdrawals and making them believe they would never quit...and i tottaly agree we heroin addicts are pussies big time ..i know i am and i was at some point...and at others i was really strong...I tottaly agree that one should stay on the move and never sit and watch tv having to whine about how bad their legs are hurting you .. I myself have the nightmare of the legs pain which has always been a major disaster to tolerating it and always makes it my worse symptom when am using heroin... but am really happy i read ur experience it gave me motivation to try to skip a day without taking and taper down really good...And to answer ur question ladianios yes Im using the buprenorphine arrow 8mg ones ....they dont give any other around here ..and god the procedure of getting them is so hard ...after visiting a rehab addiction center and talking to a psychiatrist which tries to show as if he cares and having to go to the ministry of health to register ur name as a user of this new wonder drug in this country then we have to go to another hospital and buy the pill..dont forget the test ..and this has to go every week ..test..hospital and paying almost 22$ for a 7 pill and a 15$ charge for a test ..so thats almost 50$ a week to just be able to get 7 pills ..and thats a big procedure to just be able to get it ...and its kinda tiring having to do this every week ..and im really sick of having to deal with this ...Its like being addicted on smack for crying out loud ..but anywayz i wont whine and cry anymore although i really am deep down cuz i really wanna quit this shit ...and using these 8mg pills i cant really taper more than 8 mg...if i have to cut down a quarter its gonna melt on the tip of my fingers before i can injest it under my tongue ...anywayz ...Im trying to skip as much as i can and try to go to work without taking anything but am gonna keep those mother fuckers in my pocket and am gonna buy some tramal 50mg pills to keep them aside just in case i get really tired ..i just cant afford losing this job and i dont wanna just sit at home and cry over my own mistake that i got to myself from the first place ..i so fucking hate heroin and now i can say i fucking hate bup...when are they ever gonna invent something that we could just go score get high for months and then quit in 2 days using some super fucking machine ..anywazy thanks alot guys i really appreciate it ...ill stay in touch after tryng to cut down to 1mg if i even can cut it ..and try to skip days as much as i can and i really hope i dont have to stay for 6 weeks having to suffer...i dont wanna even think about the duration of time i have to suffer from this ...im just gonna go with the flow ..
 
mostly-human said:
Yes exactly. In Australia they don't prescribe under 2mg anymore and they tell you it is fine to come off - and in a sense it is, but by no means is it smooth - sure, you'll live and to a degree, function, but it's not easy and it's a long time before the less acute symptoms disappear.

My wife is coming off now, saved up a whole bunch so she can taper well below 1mg. It is ridiculous in Aus that they won't prescribe doses under 1mg.
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They rarely do it in the states either. Most docs take you off at 2mg's. If you want to come off at a submilligram dosage, you have to just do it yourself.

They keep coming out with these stronger doses of bupe, with the 4 and 12mg suboxone strips, etc, when what we actually need is a low dose strip or pill, like .5 that will actually aid in the taper process. If they made a .5 strip the size of a normal 8 or 2mg strip, which I have cut down into pieces as small as 32nd's, you could get to a dose of .016mg's. Now that would be awesome.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
They keep coming out with these stronger doses of bupe, with the 4 and 12mg suboxone strips, etc, when what we actually need is a low dose strip or pill, like .5 that will actually aid in the taper process. If they made a .5 strip the size of a normal 8 or 2mg strip, which I have cut down into pieces as small as 32nd's, you could get to a dose of .016mg's. Now that would be awesome.
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Amen! That would just make too much sense I guess!

It's almost like, they still aren't even ready to acknowledge that suboxone is a very difficult drug to completely detox from, because one of the big "selling points" of the drug is that it's so "painless" to get off! Most doctors have no clue about what 8 mgs of suboxone really is, in terms of potency or equivalency to other opioids...it's a frickin' joke!

This drug is a big money maker, and from my experience with several different doctors and suboxone clinics that prescribe Suboxone, the majority of the consumers aren't "hardcore addicts" by any means!

To give someone addicted to 40 mgs of hydrocodone a day 16 mgs of buprenorphine is ridiculous! They'll end up suffering far more in the long run! Unless, they know exactly what they're getting into...which I believe most people have no clue!

I know how physically addictive suboxone is, and I make the informed decision to be on it, because for me...it's the lesser of two evils!

If you're spiraling out of control on opiates and unable to stop, bupe may be a good option for you...but if this is your first go-around with opiate addiction, you owe it to yourself to try a short taper or a quick detox, and that's what any competent doctor would recommend... I'm sorry!
 
I tottaly agree..but concerning me I hve suffered with heroin all my life..and when I knew abt subs it really gave me a new perspective to look from ahead..cold turkey always gets me to relapse..but now I'm not even considering..
 
BlueHues said:
Amen! That would just make too much sense I guess!

It's almost like, they still aren't even ready to acknowledge that suboxone is a very difficult drug to completely detox from, because one of the big "selling points" of the drug is that it's so "painless" to get off! Most doctors have no clue about what 8 mgs of suboxone really is, in terms of potency or equivalency to other opioids...it's a frickin' joke!

This drug is a big money maker, and from my experience with several different doctors and suboxone clinics that prescribe Suboxone, the majority of the consumers aren't "hardcore addicts" by any means!

To give someone addicted to 40 mgs of hydrocodone a day 16 mgs of buprenorphine is ridiculous! They'll end up suffering far more in the long run! Unless, they know exactly what they're getting into...which I believe most people have no clue!

I know how physically addictive suboxone is, and I make the informed decision to be on it, because for me...it's the lesser of two evils!

If you're spiraling out of control on opiates and unable to stop, bupe may be a good option for you...but if this is your first go-around with opiate addiction, you owe it to yourself to try a short taper or a quick detox, and that's what any competent doctor would recommend... I'm sorry!
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Exactly. That's the problem. The doctors, despite tons of proof to the contrary from thousands of patients across the world and studies, still have all of these misconceptions and straight fallacies, regarding bupe. There is so much misinformation out there, perpetrated by the doctors and pharm companies, and they refuse to believe anything else even when it is right in front of their face.
 
Stay away from Tramadol....the wd from that is a bit nasty due to ssri properties....quite a nasty medicine. I don't condone this type of behavior but u could snort the tiny amounts of bupe from those little arrow pills. Although this is junkie behavior I think it could benefit you in helping you get to lower doses. It also has a higher bioavailability intranasal. I don't know ...just a thought. Sorry if I offended anyone.
 
Shrunk said:
I tottaly agree..but concerning me I hve suffered with heroin all my life..and when I knew abt subs it really gave me a new perspective to look from ahead..cold turkey always gets me to relapse..but now I'm not even considering..
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Same here, I bitch about suboxone, but I'm very grateful to have it...In Russia, they don't allow maintenance drugs of any kind, it's complete insanity! Between the heroin and prison documentaries I've seen on TV, I feel lucky...They won't let you sit or laydown for 16 out of 24 hours in the prisons! Imagine being dopesick, kicking cold-turkey, and having to stay on your feet all day!
 
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Ugh yeah. It's good to see how this shit works in other parts of the world and how bad it is, because it really puts things in perspective for you. No matter how bad you think you have it.. it's a total cake walk compared to what people have to go through in other countries like Russia.
 
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