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[Solipsis]

Wot...? Roger I didn't know you were ever in the field, it seems like you never or hardly ever apply chemistry here in discussions on BL. Am I unobservant and inconsiderate or are you not interested in geeking along?

Been there done that, haha, happened during a pseudo-blackout thing (day 3 awake). Methamp stopped exerting a pro-libidinous effect at some point, but whatever, it wasn't as enjoyable as my hypomanic hypersexuality anyway

Yeah you could call it that at reasonable doses, but perving out like what can happen with heavy (even if short / episodic) use of a variety of stims and empathogen stims, that always baffles me. It makes me feel a mix of amazement, fascination, and weirded out shock and worry about the compulsive quality of it. At the same time it seems to strip someone of his humanity, turning into a sex or lust robot / machine, but it is also ultimately a part of being human, even if it is turned rampant and grotesque. It sounds better if you pretend it is like tantra, but it would have to be a depraved corrupted would-be tantra.
It's both funny and fucked up that the most extreme stuff like MDPV can make people sexually assault a cactus in the middle of a public area, so to speak.

IMO very confusing to recall having put myself in a situation where something so ecstatically pleasant is exploited out of control for so long.

Let's just all hope that everyone in such a situation has the right companion with them in a matching state, so that no harm may come to cacti everywhere.

 

[Xorkoth]

I have been using the app Tinder, a dating app which is pretty cool. For some reason I have told the program to show me only people within 25 miles but every single person I've been matched with except one is at least 50 miles away! Major bummer. I just got matched with this really cute girl named Erica who is a computer scientist (like me)... we have a bunch of things in common and I'm really attracted to her. But it says she's 50 miles away. Like, what the fuck Tinder? I have messaged her, here's hoping she's actually in Asheville.

 

[PepperSocks]

i think what you're saying is partially true, xorks. but big pharma also does a lot of good for the world too. i used to work in big-pharma sponsored medicinal chemistry research and i'm really proud of the work i did, it was dangerous and potentially exposed me to a lot of carcinogenic crap on a daily basis, but i felt like i was actually contributing to the greater good.

Yeah, big pharma and similar organizations sponsored where I worked too. There is benefit from the sums they throw at R&D, we need to keep it in perspective, just like they need to be accountable and not promote unnecessary prescriptions. In the medical sense, when not needed, less drugs are better drugs. It's all balance from those of us bashing sketchy practices and from them resisting sketchy practices. I think accountability is going to be big in the future world. Gone are the days we could trust those in power to do the moral thing, it just doesn't work.

Oh ya, lowly tech job; yeah the frequent solvent and carcinogen contact was a long term concern for me. I work with gas and solvents in the shed, but in the lab it was way more frequent. I don't think staying in those positions for the long haul is a good idea.

lol you can tell i'm fucking spun, i could write about anything for any length of time with amphetamine :D

Haha, yeah, in the right state I'm a inexhaustible well of words on the simplest of subjects. The way we can find minute aspects and write pages on that, and continue the same thing with the next minute aspect is quite humorous.

yeah you're right. amphetamine is definitely abusable, which is why it made me lol at the time when my psych said that

Yes and no; he is very right in a way. Amps are savagely addictive in the short term compulsive redose sort of way, but a state of sheer anxiety, paranoia, and sleep deprived yuckyness makes it very self limiting. It can bring on a psychotic episode, but you're likely to take it easy after that. There might be a couple psychotic episodes spaced apart, but it doesn't lend itself to continued use without break in the same way opiates work.

I find once the compulsive redose cycle is broken by willpower or forced abstinence it's pretty easy to not dive back into it.

but i mean, meth gets you high as shit, whereas amph doesn't even come close to doing that. being really high on meth is like rolling balls and makes you crazy, and its so much easier to stay up for a week on meth than regular amph.

Yeah, meth is almost psychedelic in it's raw hedonism and the totality of the state. Amp can be pretty wild too though, especially on the first bit of time with it. I did some pretty fun and crazy things in some pretty gnarly states it induced. It seems to have a more benevolent, having a good time character to it. Meth is way more serious and direct. Amps can get you high as shit, meth tends to make you totally as stimulated as you can be.

In the benevolent character and happiness of the state I think a solid racemic amphetamine dose on clean slate receptors resembles a roll more that being fucked on meth. I find meth brings out more of that serious, MDMA comedown sketchy, uncomfortable state. For clean, happy, youth-like high though, I think regular amps take it.

Other things that may matter are that amphetamine seems to be dirt cheap compared to meth, it's ridiculous.

Really? 95%+ pure dextro-methamphetamine glass is usually only $80 a g. For a drug that goes that far with 20mg it's pretty darn cheap.

 

[Roger&Me]

Wot...? Roger I didn't know you were ever in the field, it seems like you never or hardly ever apply chemistry here in discussions on BL. Am I unobservant and inconsiderate or are you not interested in geeking along?

i used to all the time in ADD and stuffs. SAR wizardry and watnot. but my posting on BL has been mostly for the lulz / sense of community for the last couple years at least. haven't had much motivation to get technical here, especially since a lot of the old timers i actually enjoyed talking shop with (like f&b, etc) have moved on. i also feel like living in the US, talking about dr00gz chemistry on the internet is not the wisest decision, as it would be easy for people to get the way wrong idea and think i'm some sorta walter white kinda guy.

also keep in mind my field was synthesis, so most of what i did was not really BL-material (just to clarify for anyone reading, i've never synthed anything illegal or anything like that in my life, all legitimate med chem research in real labs). org synthesis is kinda like higher mathematics, in that its so abstract that there's no reason to bring it up unless you're talking about solving a specific problem with somebody who's also in that little sub-field. my knowledge of neuroscience and pharmacology is fairly limited, only the basic stuff that they teach you in medicinal chemistry classes so you have a little bit of background. stuff i was ace at was like medium to large scale exploratory synthesis (once completed a novel 15 step synthesis of a useful poly-substituted heterocyclic structure in just over 3 months, no small feat), flash chromatography, deciphering NMR spectra, etc. all hardcore orgo synthetic stuff.

but yeah, i'm not in the chemistry game any more. work in data technology / business now.

 

[pharmakos]

i definitely remember roger's ADD posts

also he busts out chem knowledge in the lounge pretty often, typically in regards to food science tho.

 

[PepperSocks]

• Wait, you're hearing things after 1 night? I thought that was like day 4 or 5 awake level stuff. Maybe you've just sensitized yourself to the psychotic shit.
• I've only used amphetamine 4 times. Have no special fondness for it, shorter oral duration and lack of toxicity make it theoretically interesting.
• Ewwww, no. IME vaped meth is like, feel good for 2 hours, spend next 24 avoiding comedown. And that comedown is brutal.
• Been there done that, haha, happened during a pseudo-blackout thing (day 3 awake). Methamp stopped exerting a pro-libidinous effect at some point, but whatever, it wasn't as enjoyable as hypomanic hypersexuality anyway.

Yeah, by the 40th hour awake it starts to show it's teeth. It's never an option of staying up 2 consecutive nights. Missing a night of sleep, and staying up the whole next day will have me forcing sleep for health reasons. It's always been like that though; I don't handle sleep deprivation well. It's a bitch because I'm a naturally wired up kind of person, and amps exacerbate by insomniac tendecies to the nth degree. Meth more than regular because of duration.
In a way you're right about the vaporized peak being short, but because it's in your system without a deposit being slowly released, if you don't redose you can sleep in reasonable time.
I find it reflects the way meth is different than normal amps. With normal amps oral dosing is tops, for sure. With meth I'm never satisfied with it, wanting more, and it lasts 12+ hours after the last oral dose. With vaping I can get to that balls out place meth wants to go to, and is the essence of what it's all about. I'd say if you want an oral amp high, stick with regular amp if you can. I went into meth looking for an oral amp analogue and found something else, it's no substitute. It plain sucks when you get down to it. It's an experience to feel it's full effect, but it's not particularly fun.

 

[Solipsis]

Me too Rog, organic synthesis, just didn't get as far as you... I just like pretending that I am well versed in those other things as well. No but really: I'm broadly interested, love to always learn more and to investigate stuff to try and come up with reasonable educated guesses, which I consider standard behavior for people thinking at an academic level - but always try to emphasize that me trying to help people doesn't make me an authority and I admit what ideas or claims I am not sure about. That's why I am glad that we also have real buffs for the neuropharm stuff so save my sorry ass.

PSox, I seem to recall something like 1.5x that price for the racemate, must have been a rip-off then.
Also I completely forget to discount eurospeed being cut to shit.
If I actually try calculating it now, it seems d-meth is twice as expensive as racemic amp, which would make them exactly equally expensive if you consider levo-amphetamine a waste or impurity.
Illicit d-amp prices are actually highly variable FYI. Despite it being superior stuff IMO, people in the speedfreak world are not too concerned with it. So it exists rather on the outskirts, and the price chaotically depends on a supply and demand which are both relatively quite unstable.

At least... that is how it all appears to me.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

With vaping I can get to that balls out place meth wants to go to, and is the essence of what it's all about.

I found intranasal to be a happy medium.

I went into meth looking for an oral amp analogue

I went into meth because it was there (i.e. readily accessible). Came back to it because it is not acutely terrible for my productivity and emotional health, compared to the downerish things I'm naturally inclined to use.

Oh, and you said something about wishing you had a small benzo stock for comedowns, did you consider that having something for the comedown would make it harder to justify not using?

At the same time it seems to strip someone of his humanity, turning into a sex or lust robot / machine

Precisely, stimulant lasciviousness is rather mechanical/exploitative, whereas hypersexuality induced by one of my infrequent hypomanic episodes feels very natural/affirming/selfless. OTOH, the perceived rightness of it means that I must be wary of my thoughts/behavior, lest they progress from gauche to outré.

 

[PepperSocks]

^ I actually find that levo isomer to be an important component of the high. It's not good for studying, but it's good for the healthy reasons for doing drugs. Yeah, I've come to realize using amps for studying without a medical impediment is an abuse, much worse than recreational use.

Also I figured out that why Dutch testing centers have iffy numbers for things known to be pure; they don't include the mass of the anion. The measure amphetamine freebase content, not amphetamine sulphate content. It might not be as cut as the numbers indicate.

Like you Roger I realized to get to where I wanted to be in medicinal chem it would require being top of the line even after getting a Ph.D. At first a doctorate was my goal, but in reality it's beyond my reach, and after seeing the cesspit of academia first hand, I don't want it. If I did good in high school and did everything on schedule it would have been feasible, but it's not something to start at 23. It seems like a blessing in disguise; academic elitists are just, ugh, not people I want to be around or end up becoming one.

I'm now way more interested in relatively simple fields of biotech. I'm generally going for alternative fuel and energy research. I love finding, producing, and crafting energy sources. When my old truck kicks the emissions test bucket I'll put a wood gas generator on it and bump around the local area in a truck that runs on blocks of wood. :D

My grandpa used one in fuel restricted WWII Holland, and demonstrated it at fairs over here. It's not feasible on a mass scale, but for hobby and emergency fuel source it's pretty cool.

 

[pharmakos]

omg i totally forgot. the classic carl sagan documentary series Cosmos is coming back, starring that... um Tyson is his name i think? that black scientist dude from the "science is about getting high and looking at the stars" meme.

and the premier is RIGHT NOW. on like 8 different channels. preisdent obama did the intro.

its reairing at midnight on nat geo too if you can't catch it now.

edit -- Neil DeGrasse Tyson

this into was visually stunning

so stoked for this

 

[Roger&Me]

lol im watching that too and ripping a bag. high production-value pop sci documentaries are the trippiest things to get high to imho

 

[PepperSocks]

Oh, and you said something about wishing you had a small benzo stock for comedowns, did you consider that having something for the comedown would make it harder to justify not using?

Yeah, considered. The thing is, even when it is a reasonable time to use, I need a benzo to prevent having to go to bed after sunrise, sleep through the day, or endure sleep deprivation and it's mental/neurochemical consequences. Even responsible stimulant use requires benzos for me. The lingering stimulation prevents sleep, which is the key detriment to my health from stimulant use.

The bigger concern is not stimulant related. I ask myself if I have a benzo stock will I be able to resist taking some as soon as I get home everyday? and will I be able to try to fall asleep on my own instead of going for pleasant assistance in the mildest cases of insomnia. Those two situations are where benzos are most seductive. Stimulant insomnia is sporadic, and something where benzos are beneficial. Knowing I can bosh benzos to sleep isn't going to make me thing it's okay to dose stims on weeknights, it's nothing like that.

Haha, yeah tnw, watchin it, I was wondering what Obama was on about.

Oh ya, that duality, got ya NKB. I tend to not crave one without the other. Without stims I don't crave benzos, but man benzo cravings on stims are far worse than stims themselves. I ransacked every nook and pocket I have trying to find fragments of old pills, or bag residue, anything.
The flipside; if for whatever reason I take benzos, and I wake up the next day with things to do, places to go, people to see, fun times to be had, I'll be more tempted to counter the sluggishness with an amp.

Yeah, that is a concern.

 

[Roger&Me]

lol neil degrasse tyson's job is basically just to be like "science: fuck yeah" :D

 

[Xorkoth]

Really? 95%+ pure dextro-methamphetamine glass is usually only $80 a g. For a drug that goes that far with 20mg it's pretty darn cheap.

Really? I've never heard of glass dex-amp. I've never seen or heard of dex-amp for sale except in pharmaceuticals.

Dang, I want to some dex-amp glass!

omg i totally forgot. the classic carl sagan documentary series Cosmos is coming back, starring that... um Tyson is his name i think? that black scientist dude from the "science is about getting high and looking at the stars" meme.

and the premier is RIGHT NOW. on like 8 different channels. preisdent obama did the intro.

its reairing at midnight on nat geo too if you can't catch it now.

edit -- Neil DeGrasse Tyson

this into was visually stunning

so stoked for this

Oh nice, I've been watching the original with Carl Sagan, it's such a beautiful series, even today though it was made in the early 80s.

 

[pharmakos]

lol im watching that too and ripping a bag. high production-value pop sci documentaries are the trippiest things to get high to imho

and how

lol neil degrasse tyson's job is basically just to be like "science: fuck yeah" :D

i have a new dream job

 

[Xorkoth]

So I just joined the site OkCupid. It's a really detailed profile you get to create, way more than the 500 words or less for thr Tinder app. And I think a lot more people are on it. I think I just got a message too. My profile is the shit, I wrote it really well.

Only problem is, you're supposed to answer questions, which people are supposed to use to find who they're interested in. The very first one: "which is more important to you right now, sex or love?" I mean... it seems like I don't want to answer that. Truthfully, I am more interested in sex right now, I just got out of 12 year long relationship, I'm trying to have fun and get out there and meet people. But love is really important to me now, I just don't want to say it's more important because that's misleading. But I'm afraid if I say sex that it will turn away plenty of girls I'd be happy to meet. Saying sex is more important now feels like it would come across as sketchy.

 

[PepperSocks]

Really? I've never heard of glass dex-amp. I've never seen or heard of dex-amp for sale except in pharmaceuticals.

Dang, I want to some dex-amp glass!

All crystal meth is dextro-methylamphetamine hydrochloride. A mix of dex/levo isomers won't form crystals, a single crystal is made of a littice of molecules with the same orientation. There could be a mix of pure dextro crystals, and pure levo crystals in a bag, but not a mix in the same crystal. That said I've never heard of anyone taking a single crystal, doing it and say it feels like Vick's inhaler. Powder can be a mix of isomers.

Oh ya, dextro=methamphetamine, not dextro-amphetamine.

Oh nice, I've been watching the original with Carl Sagan, it's such a beautiful series, even today though it was made in the early 80s.[/QUOTE]

 

[Xorkoth]

Oh okay, you meant dex-methamp, okay. I'd much rather be able to get dex-amphetamine.

 

[pharmakos]

yeah dude, OkCupid is awesome

make sure to take note of the "skip" button so you can pass over questions you don't want to answer

 

[Solipsis]

So I just joined the site OkCupid. It's a really detailed profile you get to create, way more than the 500 words or less for thr Tinder app. And I think a lot more people are on it. I think I just got a message too. My profile is the shit, I wrote it really well.

Only problem is, you're supposed to answer questions, which people are supposed to use to find who they're interested in. The very first one: "which is more important to you right now, sex or love?" I mean... it seems like I don't want to answer that. Truthfully, I am more interested in sex right now, I just got out of 12 year long relationship, I'm trying to have fun and get out there and meet people. But love is really important to me now, I just don't want to say it's more important because that's misleading. But I'm afraid if I say sex that it will turn away plenty of girls I'd be happy to meet. Saying sex is more important now feels like it would come across as sketchy.

Great choice! I'm on there too, my success rate is 66% ;D