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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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Well, I underestimated flub. Had all but written it off, but 8mg plus a pint of cider and I am cunted.
 
I quite like pryaz, its like beer compared to vodka or something. weaker but nice
 
yeah i feel that, its great for anxiety for sure, doesn't do much else though...which can be useful, i imagine it'd make good actual medicine cos it has almost zero physical effects, just reduced anxiety and really effectively at that
 
i regret boshing 9 flubroz last night now and loosing the last one, i dived in straight at the deep end. It would have been smarter to just take one or 2 and get a better feel for their effects that way, rather than going for full on oblivion straight away. Tbh they were stronger than i expected. I hope that tenth missing pill will turn up somewhere this evening.
 
9 8mg flubro or 9 4mg

either way thats 72mg or 36mg.....thats quite a substantial amount when just one 8mg will knock me out basically. Only reason i have them tbh.


Did you manage to remain awake after 9 >?
 
HB Pencil said:
yeah i feel that, its great for anxiety for sure, doesn't do much else though...which can be useful, i imagine it'd make good actual medicine cos it has almost zero physical effects, just reduced anxiety and really effectively at that
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Yeah i like the way it doesnt mong me out, i dont get tired off it. which makes it kinda abuseable. one of the the best functional anti anxiety things i know of
 
ColtDan said:
Yeah i like the way it doesnt mong me out, i dont get tired off it. which makes it kinda abuseable. one of the the best functional anti anxiety things i know of
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Yeah, i thought the same thing cos i was sufferinf with GAD after coming of the SSRI and the doc wouldnt set me up with anything so i turned to pyraz, ended up ordering a bunch and it got out of hand pretty quickly

Benzo's shouldnt be kept around in large amounts, only badness can come of that
 
Ive always kept a lot of benzos around, but never enjoyed them enough to abuse them. i didnt used to like them very much but grown to like em. suffered with anxiety on and off as well, didnt wanna slip into dependancy on relying on them so just kept them to weekends
 
HB Pencil said:
9 8mg flubro or 9 4mg

either way thats 72mg or 36mg.....thats quite a substantial amount when just one 8mg will knock me out basically. Only reason i have them tbh.


Did you manage to remain awake after 9 >?
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no i took 4 or 5 8mg which knocked me out clean for about 60-90 minutes. They were far stronger than i was expecting. I thought it was weak shit and with my tolerance that they wouldnt touch the sides. (I know, i know, about starting small, and working up.)
 
Doctor weren't having it when i went in yesterday (my new doc) Doesn't want to become part of my addiction, refused to let me go back to 2.5mg, which is fair enough because i didn't suggest that anyway he did then he changed his mind. Told him i would stick it out on 2mg which was bollocks cos i did 5mg last night . Oh well its week end now
 
Think ive overdone the benzos a bit over the past week, feeling slightly restless and edgy, moody, slightly dizzy
 
Its good that you are quite self aware of this.

I want to order some more flubro, but last time it fucked up my memory and functioning on the day after, i may be best steering clear. I know where i am with etiz, allthough its no good for bringing me down from kratom. Im going to be stopping kratom soon anyway. So i dunno, flubro has got to better than taking 2 diphenhydramines and 2 promethazines on top of 15mg of etiz every night. Also im really starting to like the effects of diphenhydramine, its a nice kind of virtual oblivion just before you drift off. All this makes it extremely difficult to get out of bed the next day though. :\
 
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15mg of etiz everynight seems pretty outrageous, how long has this been a regular thing?

I used pyrazolam daily up to 4mg at a time sometimes for 4 weeks and knew i had tolerance, quit and it took mmore than a week to get a decent nights sleep, also spent a good 3 days being unable to do anything except watch the box half asleep but never rested.

Since the 26th of jan i've managed to get through 10x4 + 6of the mg flubro and 20 1mg diclaz. 8mg flubro is where its at for me.
That's just 14 days however this did include 2 benders where they were needed more and the the diclaz seem to be pretty shitty though, still have plenty of the 8mg flubro left which are a huge temptation at night time. Its not worth the tolerance though, will be saving for hangovers and comedowns methinks/the odd weekend chill sesh like colt.
Maybe i won't sleep tonight though, will find out in an hour or 2.
 
about 2 years. My dose is down from what it once was; ive often been up to 25mg, at times ive been on 35-50mg. Ive kind of decided to try stop going beyond 15mg if i can help it. I know that tolerance can be reversed, i got down to about 6mg i think for a while, but my dose has been up and down like the proverbial uh huhm. Stopping kratom is my first priority, then i will set to work on gradually getting my etiz dose lowered.

I may be better off with flubro, allthough it hits the same receptors i dont seem to have anything like the same high tolerance to it. I dont understand why this is, but thats the way it seems. I'll probably get some more flubro for further 'lab research'.
 
iv been on around 2 pyrazolam pills daily for a while now but from time to time i have a few drops from my etiz solution. Even tho I'm on low doses i really need off these fuckers asap. Everytime i get a planned taper i make 1 move forwards and 2 moves back. Id be careful with the flubro mdb, i can see your reason for thinking they may be better for you with the long half life but in reality switching to a more hardcore benzo might make etiz seem like a walk in the park and make it harder to stop in the long run. I switched to pyraz so i could be more functionable (not that i didn't function ok on etiz) but since doing this iv realised times when iv did stuff or said things i wouldn't normally do or say which i put down to the etiz lowering inhibitions.
 
Is it more hardcore and messy than etiz, or is it just totally dose related ? I had 8mg pills which were far stronger than expected. I could try again, and next time start off with half a pill, rather than boshing the whole pack in one evening, to try and get an idea of my tolerance to the stuff. It feels like i dont have any tolerance to it, which is very strange. I would have thought benzos would be completely cross tolerant, if you have tolerance to one, you'll have tolerance to them all. I believe this even applies to the Z class of sleeping pills.
 
haven't tried flubro yet but have some on the way for research. From what iv read and heard its more sedative with a longer half life. Yes that could be useful on a planned taper as you wouldnt need to dose as many times a day but more sedative and anti-convulsant benzos seem to have more dangerous and prolonged WD's so id say be careful with it and try it again at a smaller dose to see if it really is any use to you. Yeah pyraz is weaker than etiz, i jumped onto them so i would be used to not feeling slightly sedated all the time, plus they have a longer half life than etiz so i don't need to dose as many times per day.
 
hmm ok thanks HF123. So Flubro is not something to be taken lightly then. If it could be worse than etizolam to withdraw from then i may be best avoiding picking up a habit with it. The stronger sedative properties make it sound very appealing to me though, as i have pretty much blown out my tolerance to the hypnotic effects of etiz, and is why i take such big doses. It still delivers the anxiolytic effects about 3 years into daily use though, even just 1mg still does that very effectively, i find that quite amazing.

If i can use flubro just for a taper, rather than maintenance, or just taking it get fucked up on, seeking varying degrees of oblivion, then it could be usefull. Becoming dependant on a benzo with a worse w/d profile (its still such early days, i havent heard any tales of flubro w/ds yet) is clearly not very wise. Are benzos anything like opis, in that some of those with the longest half life are tougher to w/d from ?

I may continue to use etiz for daytime anxiolysis, as it is still extremely effective for that, and use flubro just for getting to sleep. Dunno yet.
 
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