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Oral Dmt/Home-brewed Ayahuasca

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princessxxleah

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Hello,

So after my experience with smoking DMT I feel called to try an oral version of DMT or Ayahuasca. Intuitively that's what I'm feeling.


1. Any thoughts from those that have done both...How do they compare?

2. How do you make your own Ayahuasca or an oral version of DMT? Any tek references?
 
This thread covers ayahuasca and oral DMT in general: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=208983

basically:

IIRC if you have pure DMT to use instead of brewing from plants you can just put the DMT in a small bit of cola (which contains phosphoric acid to create DMT phosphate - this may dissolve and absorb very well but it may also be that cola is just a good remedy for nausea) and drink it, that is what people apparently recommend.

About 30-50 minutes before that you ingest a MAO-A inhibitor, you can use peganum harmala, but there are also purified harmala alkaloids available here and there, or you can use moclobemide (Aurorix), a pharmaceutical which is said to contribute very few (side)effects to the experience allowing for a relatively clean oral DMT experience. One can argue though whether pure and clean is good, or if proper oral DMT is done via ayahuasca brews which traditionally contain the full extract of certain plants.
 
Don't eat dmt base! Convert to salt using acids like cola (dmt phosphate), lemon juice (dmt citrate), vinegar (dmt acetate). Stomach acid will work, but it will make you nauseous. Don't expect to get salt crystals unless you use make dmt fumarate, as fumaric acid is the only thing I know of that crystallizes dmt under normal conditions. :)
 
Indeed, tryptamine fumarates are also quite stable but I don't think making crystals is a goal here. Still juicy info though.
Also you make it sound like ingesting DMT base or a DMT salt are both less than ideal options. What else is there?
 
Very different experiences, Ayahuasca - or Pharmahuasca in this case - isn't something to do lightly. It's not really recreational at all and in contrast to smoked DMT you can be stuck in the Ayahuasca experience for 6 hours or more. Read up on it a lot before trying it and be sure you know what you're getting in for as it can be a very unpleasant experience.
That said if you're prepared & take it seriously it definitely can be beneficial & very worthwhile. Certainly made a big difference to my life.

Personally I'd suggest a few more smoked experiences of DMT before jumping in with Ayahuasca, but if you are going to I'd agree that the easiest thing would be to use your DMT, convert to a salt and drink about 45-60 min after taking an MAOI. As an MAOI I usually prefer to use a lemon juice extract of around 3.5g ground Perganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) seeds but it'll depend what you''ve got available to you. Eating Syrian Rue itself will make you nauseous so it's better to extract the harmala alkaloids (the bit's that are MAOIs) into lemonjuice beforehand.
Dosage will make a big difference on your 1st time out I wouldn't exceed 100mg DMT (assuming it's pure / clean) for your first experience.
 
Never got anywhere near 6 hours druid. I find the full psychedelic effects of oral DMT last 60-90 minutes tops. That's using DMT freebase mixed with cola and 300mg of moclobemide.

Oral DMT is the friendliest drug I've ever taken apart from the nausea that hits you, whatever method you use, when the DMT starts coming on. After the initial nausea, oral DMT is quite simply the ultimate drug. The most breath-taking psychedelic, like mushrooms to the power of ten, your eyes will be filled with jewels twisting and dancing in the air, the best bodyhigh of any drug including MDMA and the most "presence" of any drug I've ever taken - you feel like you are either in the presence of something eternal and profound. I don't mean any "God" bullshit - it's just yourself but it's a part of yourself that you've never been able to contact before.
 
If someone want a shorter oral DMT trip one can always delay taking DMT after the MAOI so that the MAOI action settles down earlier into the DMT trip, correct?
 
Solipsis said:
If someone want a shorter oral DMT trip one can always delay taking DMT after the MAOI so that the MAOI action settles down earlier into the DMT trip, correct?
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In theory yes but trying to time dis-inhibition of MAO would be a bit dicey I'd say. My understanding is that Syrian Rue is a reversible MAO Inhibitor so they'll bind to the MAO, preventing them from oxidising DMT, then release them a while later. Trying to judge a particular degree of level of inhibition would be very difficult, particularly if you've no prior experiene of how your body's metabolism works with MAO/MAOIs. Probably easier would be to chose the dose of DMT to try to control the strength of the trip.

Ismene said:
Never got anywhere near 6 hours druid. I find the full psychedelic effects of oral DMT last 60-90 minutes tops. That's using DMT freebase mixed with cola and 300mg of moclobemide.
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How much DMT if you don't mind me asking?
I've had experiences lasting about 6 hours on 200-250mg, though by no means all of it at the peak, a lot of that is coming down & integrating the experience, I still consider that part of the whole Ayahuasca experience, though a lot of it is more mental than visual.

I think the effects vary, I don't usually get much nausea, though purging can be a part of the experience I don't associate that with any nausea.
I don't tend to get great visual experiences with pharmahuasca, at least not OEVs, but do get strong CEV and inner & visions, jungle sceans, animals I take to have special significance as spirits & on one occasion encountering my inner shadow-self (in the Jungian sense). Thinking about it I think that most of the Aya/Pharmauasca visuals have been somewhat dark or subdued, rather than bright bright whirly colours & the like. It's been more the message for me than the presentation. Not meaning to put your experiences down Ismene, I just think Ayahuasca is an incredibly powerful medicine and treats everyone somewhat differently depending on what they need & want at that time.

I find Aya/Pharmahuasca to be not at all an easy or always comfortable experience, some of my most valuable experiences have been very uncomfortable, but it can be incredibly useful & healing provided you go into it with your eyes and heart open.
 
Blue Druid said:
Very different experiences, Ayahuasca - or Pharmahuasca in this case - isn't something to do lightly. It's not really recreational at all and in contrast to smoked DMT you can be stuck in the Ayahuasca experience for 6 hours or more. Read up on it a lot before trying it and be sure you know what you're getting in for as it can be a very unpleasant experience.
That said if you're prepared & take it seriously it definitely can be beneficial & very worthwhile. Certainly made a big difference to my life.

Personally I'd suggest a few more smoked experiences of DMT before jumping in with Ayahuasca, but if you are going to I'd agree that the easiest thing would be to use your DMT, convert to a salt and drink about 45-60 min after taking an MAOI. As an MAOI I usually prefer to use a lemon juice extract of around 3.5g ground Perganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) seeds but it'll depend what you''ve got available to you. Eating Syrian Rue itself will make you nauseous so it's better to extract the harmala alkaloids (the bit's that are MAOIs) into lemonjuice beforehand.
Dosage will make a big difference on your 1st time out I wouldn't exceed 100mg DMT (assuming it's pure / clean) for your first experience.
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In your experience would you do this with a sitter/shaman...I was gonna do it myself but if it gets uncomfortable I don't know if its the greatest idea.
 
If you have the option of a sitter - who knows the score with psychedelics & ideally with Ayahuasca - and it's someone you trust then that'd be the best option.
It's not always something that's available and it generally hasn't been for me. I wouldn't say the absence of a sitter rules out doing Ayahuasca, it clearly doesn't but it just means all the responsibility is on you to do your preparation and know what to expect.
 
princessxxleah said:
In your experience would you do this with a sitter/shaman...I was gonna do it myself but if it gets uncomfortable I don't know if its the greatest idea.
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Have you ever taken mushrooms leah? Oral DMT is very like mushrooms but more visual and with a better bodyhigh. I've never experienced any problem with it, it's sheer pleasure, even more fun than mushrooms. Except you do tend to throw up at the beginning.
 
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