LSD death would be state first, officials say

Madhatter4 said:
This article made me sick!!! It makes me wonder if law enforcement knows anything about illegal/semi legal drugs. Oh and in order to OD on LSD you would have to eat around 5000 hits of average potency blotter
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Estimated LD50 (1000) × Lowest effective dose (20 mcg) ÷ Average hit (100 mcg) = 200 hits
Estimated Lethal dose (14000 mcg) ÷ Average hit (100 mcg) = 140 hits
Lethal dose (50% die) ~ 170 hits
sources:
1. John C. Klock, Udo Boerner, Charles E. Becker. Coma, Hyperthermia, and Bleeding Associated with Massive LSD Overdose a Report of Eight Cases. Clinical Toxicology; Informa Healthcare, Jan 1, 1975
2. Erowid http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml
3. Toxicity of Recreational Drugs. American Scientist, Vol. 94, 2006
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
and wtf they charge her husband for murder
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Manslaughter sucks, especially while committing a felony.

Roane County murder suspect changes mind during plea hearing
Posted: Nov 22, 2013 10:36 AM CST Updated: Dec 06, 2013 10:37 AM CST
By Lisa Robbins, Reporter - bio | email
In a hearing in Roane County Circuit court, Todd Honaker was scheduled to plead guilty to involuntary manslaughter in the death of his wife, Renee Honaker.
Renee died at their Looney Fork Home in March after authorities say Honaker gave her NBOMe, a drug similar to acid.
Authorities say he didn't call 911 or try to get Renee help.
During the hearing, Honaker told the judge he needed more time to think about his guilty plea. His hearing has been rescheduled for Dec. 16.
The man accused of sending the drugs through the mail, Chad Renzelman, is facing federal charges in relation to the case.
 
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My observation is this. Whether the substance was LSD or an NBOME. As far as we know, they have similar safety profiles. The dose may be differ by a factor of 10, but I have read enough trip reports of people taking NBOME by the milligram. It could have just as easily been LSD.
 
pmoseman said:
My observation is this. Whether the substance was LSD or an NBOME. As far as we know, they have similar safety profiles. The dose may be differ by a factor of 10, but I have read enough trip reports of people taking NBOME by the milligram. It could have just as easily been LSD.
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No nbome and LSD do not have similar safety profiles. No one has died from LSD in 50 years plus of widespread use. Quite a few people have died from Nbomes in just two or three years. Just because you read trip reports of people taking several mg of nbomes doesnt make it safe. No one dies from LSD.
 
pmoseman said:
My observation is this. Whether the substance was LSD or an NBOME. As far as we know, they have similar safety profiles. The dose may be differ by a factor of 10, but I have read enough trip reports of people taking NBOME by the milligram. It could have just as easily been LSD.
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As far as we know? No, as far as you might think but your ignorance does not change the facts.
 
opi8 said:
As far as we know? No, as far as you might think but your ignorance does not change the facts.
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If you had the facts.
my3rdeye said:
No nbome and LSD do not have similar safety profiles. No one has died from LSD in 50 years plus of widespread use. Quite a few people have died from Nbomes in just two or three years. Just because you read trip reports of people taking several mg of nbomes doesnt make it safe. No one dies from LSD.
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People have died from LSD. One died because he apparently thought it was safe to inject 320 mg.
Insufflating is not a recommended route of administration for LSD or NBOME, as each has put people on life support in the emergency room due to overdosing.
People have reportedly survived taking 40 mg of NBOME, nearly 1000 times the smallest effective dose. That is LSD's estimated safety ratio.
Clearly similar, but people are not handling NBOME as safely as they should. Perhaps it is too easy to obtain or its new popularity is experiencing growth pains. Perhaps if it were not for safety concious professionals distributing LSD in its early years, there would have been more cases involving that as well.
 
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If you can find one documented & proven case of LSD fatality related purely to the drug itself, either in overdose or due to some idiosycratic reaction, please post it, I'd love to read more about LSD fatalities.

I saw a doc once where an LA cop told how he busted an acid lab & then accidentally absorbed a massive dose, whilst dismantelling the lab. He reported that had he failed to seek medical intervention they reckon he might have died. I can't remember which doc it was from but it was definitely about psychedelics, so it might've been an old Drugs Inc Psychedelics.

That's the only time I heard about an LSD almost-OD-fatality. If there are more of these, I'd like to hear about them.
 
Si Ingwe said:
If you can find one documented & proven case of LSD fatality related purely to the drug itself, either in overdose or due to some idiosycratic reaction, please post it, I'd love to read more about LSD fatalities.

I saw a doc once where an LA cop told how he busted an acid lab & then accidentally absorbed a massive dose, whilst dismantelling the lab. He reported that had he failed to seek medical intervention they reckon he might have died. I can't remember which doc it was from but it was definitely about psychedelics, so it might've been an old Drugs Inc Psychedelics.

That's the only time I heard about an LSD almost-OD-fatality. If there are more of these, I'd like to hear about them.
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A man in Kentucky in 1977 may have died from an LSD overdose when he mistakenly injected 320 mg of the drug, thinking it was speed.


One of the few recorded cases of LSD overdose occurred in 1972, when four men and four women snorted powdered LSD at a dinner party, thinking it was cocaine. Some 15 minutes later, they were admitted to a San Francisco hospital. Five were already in a coma when they arrived. Three of them were experiencing depressed respiration, leading doctors to perform endotracheal intubation -- in which a tube is slid through the mouth into the trachea to assist breathing.
Tests found between a low of 2.1 to a high of 26 nanograms per milliliter of blood in the eight patients, all of whom survived.
 
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Wait one guy in the 70's died of of shooting huge dose LSD (maybe), and dozens have died in the last 2 years of nbomes (for sure) and you think the two drugs are similar in safety profile? The lady in this story took two fucking hits. Two. Don't spread bullshit on a harm reduction site.

Si Ingwe said:
If you can find one documented & proven case of LSD fatality related purely to the drug itself, either in overdose or due to some idiosycratic reaction, please post it, I'd love to read more about LSD fatalities.

I saw a doc once where an LA cop told how he busted an acid lab & then accidentally absorbed a massive dose, whilst dismantelling the lab. He reported that had he failed to seek medical intervention they reckon he might have died. I can't remember which doc it was from but it was definitely about psychedelics, so it might've been an old Drugs Inc Psychedelics.

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Thats National Geo's drugs inc and it is a bullshit story. The guy claimed he shaved before the raid and thats how he got dosed. He said it was a thousand hits or something but he had no way of knowing that just some random guess. Unless he rubbed powder on the cuts i call bullshit. His hospital care involved no drugs, seems unlikely as a little valium was a well known antidote in the 80s. There is no way to prove that cop didn't just want to retire and this was his out, no one can prove he is lying either. The story may not have happened at all, there were only like 1 or 2 labs it could have been. Until he comes forward like a man and stops with the anonmous crap i call BS on that story.
 
Well, exactly, & how many times have we heard about LSD OD fatalities that have turned out to be false.

I appreciate your reply pmoseman but all you did was repeat the story about this guy & his 300mg LSD injection. I need citation please mate, otherwise all you're doing is propogating misinformation. If this death wasn't reported anywhere that can be accessed & offered as evidence, then I suspect it is pure anti-drugs fiction or some urban legend.

Which is not to suggest for one second that injecting 300mg of LSD is anything like a good idea!
 
my3rdeye said:
Wait one guy in the 70's died of of shooting huge dose LSD (maybe), and dozens have died in the last 2 years of nbomes (for sure) and you think the two drugs are similar in safety profile? The lady in this story took two fucking hits. Two. Don't spread bullshit on a harm reduction site.
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She took 2 hits and there can be enough LSD on 2 hits to kill her.
Si Ingwe said:
I appreciate your reply pmoseman but all you did was repeat the story about this guy & his 300mg LSD injection. I need citation please mate, otherwise all you're doing is propogating misinformation. If this death wasn't reported anywhere that can be accessed & offered as evidence, then I suspect it is pure anti-drugs fiction or some urban legend.
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I gave what you asked. I am not just going to continue giving you more and more. I suppose aliens beamed the LSD into his liver. Prove to me that Renee Honaker died of an NBOME overdose and we will talk.
 
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pmoseman, you are an intellectual without equal. You carefully examine the facts from both sides and present very compelling arguments. You also show your maturity and reasoning ability by changing your position when the facts presented by others have proven your original position wrong. You are a great addition to the board and I am only upset that you don't post more frequently. I will be praying for you and your loved ones, hoping that you live a happy, full and prosperous life. Good day my friend.
 
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opi8 said:
pmoseman, you continue to argue with people on this board from a position where you think you are better than everyone else and have some divine knowledge that nobodoy else has, you are always right in your own mind and no matter how much evidence to the contrary, you continue to hold your bullshit positions. Why the fuck are you a member here when you clearly have no interest in expanding your knowledge, all you want to do is push your brain farts as fact and generally act like a brain dead, Jesus loving, climate change and evolution denying moron who's just had a frontal lobotomy. Why do you browse this site when you clearly have no interest at all in proper discussion?
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How am I right all the time? Fact checking. What am I doing here? Dungeon crawling evidently. Are there better things I could be doing with my time? Nah. I value the time I spend here. Why? Going someplace where everybody agrees with me would not fix anything. What do I know intuitively? I know the truth about what drugs do to your mind. I am independently intelligent and have dealt with my own self doubt people like yourself use to diminish others. Allow me to lift you up.
 
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pmoseman said:
opi8 you are a satan spawn and you must hate children. Think of the children!!!
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No, I am not a spawn of satan and I do think of the children. However, that doesn't give you arguments any more weight. Why are you attacking me?
 
So basically, what he's saying is, he has no citation whatsoever to support this 300mg IV LSD fatality story..?
 
All LSD related deaths as listed in medical journals. The 300mg dose is only an estimate. .

Erowid said:
The physical danger of ingesting LSD at normal doses is quite low. There are two reported deaths from unusually high doses documented in medical journals.



The first, which is mentioned in Psychedelics Encyclopedia by Peter Stafford, is discussed in a 1977 Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association article. In this case, "the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that 320 mg (320,000 micrograms) had been injected intravenously" under the mistaken idea it was speed. The amount (320mg) was an estimate by the authors of the article and not based on direct knowledge of how much was taken.



The second reported death, for which there is toxicological data but no details about the circumstances leading up to the death (ingested dose is not known, though post-death blood levels are), is documented in a 1985 Forensic Science International paper. Unfortunately, so little is documented in the article that it is hard to say much about this event.



There are a handful of other reports of serious problems (but not death) caused by very large doses. One person who took 40 mg survived. Another report outlines the case of a group of eight individuals who snorted large quantities of powdered LSD on the mistaken assumption that it was cocaine... all survived. See the LSD Dose page for details.



Estimates of the half-lethal human dose -- the dose at which half of the participants would die -- vary widely, with different calculations extrapolated from animal data putting it anywhere from 12 mg to 5+ grams.



Massive overdoses are possible only in cases where a person has access to manufacture- or distribution-level amounts of material; the average LSD user is unlikely to ever come in contact with such high doses.



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References:

Fysh RR, Oon MC, Robinson KN, Smith RN, White PC, Whitehouse MJ. “A fatal poisoning with LSD”. Forensic Sci Int. 1985;28(2):109-13.



Griggs EA, Ward M. “LSD toxicity: a suspected cause of death”. J Ky Med Assoc. 1977;75(4):172-3.
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I give up. You are right pmoseman. Obviously nobody has taken LSD as much as nbome, aand that's why more people are dying. You are a godsend, maybe you are the reincarnation of Jesus. If so, I wish you luck and hope you are returned to your father soon by way of crucification because that's how it is supposed to happen. Now that I've acknowledged your superiority, why don't you go and find somewhere else to troll.
 
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