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I have tried 6-APB but thats it. Im more into a dopamine-euphoria from drug use, I tend not too like how psychedelics make me feel, so Ive kind of steered clear of the APBs. However 5-MAPB caught my eye and I figured I would try it.
As far as after effects go I cant say, its only been 1 day. But it feels damn similar to taking MDA. The come down was 3 or 4 hours, and all the after effects so far are on par with what MDMA or MDA would be like the day after a roll or trip.
Ill report back in a day or so as I learn more about how it has affected my body.
I did notice some vasoconstriction, my feet occasionally tried going numb, and seemed to be colder than the rest of my body. So keep an eye out for that, my heart was PUMPING fast and hard, I wouldnt doubt it if theres some underlying vasoconstriction here, possibly a heavy 5HT2b agonist.
Section813
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Nice description.
Im a bit curious in that you say you were thoroughly stimulated and yet you want to add 4-fa which is mostly stimulant by comparison. What are you hoping to gain with the addition of the 4-fa?
Also I see you mention the sex drive piece with respect to substituted cathinones. Between methylone and 5-mapb which would you prefer for a night in with the lady and why?
Thanks.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me people who have tried this are almost all labeling it as the most similar thing to MDMA they know, perhaps even indistinguishable (even dosage is the same), and even more so than any other k-xAPyB... Am I understanding correctly?
How does it compare to methylone?
How does it compare to methylone?
Section813
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Mine was a white powder (the 5 and 6 apb I've had was were both brown but not the same brown and the 5-apdb was also white but more fluffy). All the (m)ap(d)bs I've tried had a distinct taste so I could tell them apart just by taste. Not sure about the odor.
My 6-apb was the same... you could snort it if you really wanted to, but it was disgusting and didn't really hit faster/harder than oral. Maybe the 6-apb hcl I've seen on a few rc websites is better for snorting?
Tbh it never caused much vasoconstriction for me.
Section813
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Would 5-mapb be 3-desoxy-mdma?
What are the two different naming conventions called?
What are the two different naming conventions called?
A lot more potent? What would you say is an equivalent dose of 100 mg MDMA?
The oxygen is not just removed, it is replaced by a carbon, so I don't think we could call it 3-desoxy-mdma.
bob_arctor
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3-desoxy-MDA would be what is nowadaye commonly is referred to as 5-apbd
Section813
Bluelighter
So what then would 5-mapb be using the alternate naming convention?
Absolutely not!
First, 5-APBD does not have a methyl group on the amine, and even if did, we would get 5-MAPDB which is the saturated version of 5-MAPB, so it has even 2 hydrogens more.
MDMA: C11H15NO2
5-MAPB: C12H15NO --> 1 C replaced with O
5-MAPDB: C12H17NO --> saturated version of above
5-APDB: C11H15NO --> same as above minus methyl
Don't be fooled by the double bond in 5-MAPB when you draw it. Of the 3 aforementioned, it really is the most similar to MDMA.
I don't know if there is a standard way of saying quickly "replace oxygen with carbon".
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I am not very experienced with MDMA, I have only done it a couple times, and it has been years since I last tried it. I have done a fair bit of 4-mmc and methylone, and many other research chemicals and psychedelics. So that is what I have to compare it to.
Last week at around 8pm, a friend and I tried 110mg of 5-mapb dropped in a bomb and taken orally. The setting was at said friend's apartment. There were several other people there, but we were the only ones that had taken 5-mapb. While the setting was not bad, per se, I think it could have been better. We dropped at around 8pm.
At around the 30 minute mark I could tell I had taken a stimulate. Tension in my jaw started to develop and my palms became sweaty. Eventually nystagmus developed. It took about 2 hours to really start feeling it for me. My friend seemed to be effected by the drug much sooner, I would say he reached a peak around the 60-90 minute mark. After a few hours both our pupils became very dilated.
I am still trying to figure out the effects of this drug. One of the classic effects of serotonergic drugs for me is a shift in auditory perception, especially during the come-up. Sounds are greatly intensified. I distinctly remember the sound of fork hitting a plate, it was very crisp. The other people that were there were watching TV. I found the sound of the TV to be very annoying. One person had on basketball pants, the kind that go "swish swish" when you walk. I remember that sound distinctly as well. We did not really try to listen to music, though I feel as though it would have been a good choice.
Physically, this drug felt stimulating. Sweaty palms. Jaw tension. There was an underlying energy, but it was nowhere like that felt in the body by something such as methylone, 4-mmc, or 4-fa. You know, the kind of energy where you just want to get up and walk. I was perfectly content to sit where I was at.
Mentally, the drug is harder to explain. It was stimulating, and at the same time, relaxing. My perception of color in general was softer, and brighter. It was as if there was some kind of haze in the room. There were some tracers, but they were not very exaggerated. It felt very clearheaded in general. There were some closed eye visuals, not patterns, but a certain amount of brightness.
I like these kinds of drugs for their empathogenic effects, and that seemed to be lacking with this. There was no overwhelming desire to share my feelings like on 4-mmc and methylone. In fact, this felt much less "in your face" than those two drugs. It certainly felt strong, but I suppose it lacked the initial rush those other drugs provide. So while there was a certain depth to it that those other drugs lack, this also lacked the "push" to talk and empathize. There was no "magic" to the experience. That is a big negative for me, as there really is no point for me to take it, if not to talk with my friends. I spent most of the experience thinking about the drug, and trying to decide if I liked it or not.
On the plus side, the entire experience lasted longer than with 4-mmc or methylone. I would say it lasted 5-6 hours. There was residual stimulation afterwards, but I was able to fall asleep around 5:30 am. Also while the jaw tension was annoying, I tend to suck/chew on my cheeks when on stimulates, and it destroys my mouth. I did not do this (as bad) while on 5-mapb. There was no compulsive desire to redose.
I suppose I should add that I have done 6-apb, and I can make some comparisons between the two, but they are distinct. I did not really like 6-apb either. 6-apb felt like a mongy psychedelic trip, and there was no empathy or anything like that. Perhaps the APBs just are not my cup of tea.
In summary, I am still undecided about this drug, and will give it another chance. I think I will tweak the setting next time, and probably drop 150mg. Perhaps the effects will be more pronounced and up my alley. Sorry, this was not my best written report, when I do try it again I will make sure I write closer to the experience so I can get a more descriptive report.
My friend seemed to be more impressed with the drug than I was.
The only question I would ask, would any of you think the drug would be more pronounced at 150mg, versus the dose of 110mg I took?
Last week at around 8pm, a friend and I tried 110mg of 5-mapb dropped in a bomb and taken orally. The setting was at said friend's apartment. There were several other people there, but we were the only ones that had taken 5-mapb. While the setting was not bad, per se, I think it could have been better. We dropped at around 8pm.
At around the 30 minute mark I could tell I had taken a stimulate. Tension in my jaw started to develop and my palms became sweaty. Eventually nystagmus developed. It took about 2 hours to really start feeling it for me. My friend seemed to be effected by the drug much sooner, I would say he reached a peak around the 60-90 minute mark. After a few hours both our pupils became very dilated.
I am still trying to figure out the effects of this drug. One of the classic effects of serotonergic drugs for me is a shift in auditory perception, especially during the come-up. Sounds are greatly intensified. I distinctly remember the sound of fork hitting a plate, it was very crisp. The other people that were there were watching TV. I found the sound of the TV to be very annoying. One person had on basketball pants, the kind that go "swish swish" when you walk. I remember that sound distinctly as well. We did not really try to listen to music, though I feel as though it would have been a good choice.
Physically, this drug felt stimulating. Sweaty palms. Jaw tension. There was an underlying energy, but it was nowhere like that felt in the body by something such as methylone, 4-mmc, or 4-fa. You know, the kind of energy where you just want to get up and walk. I was perfectly content to sit where I was at.
Mentally, the drug is harder to explain. It was stimulating, and at the same time, relaxing. My perception of color in general was softer, and brighter. It was as if there was some kind of haze in the room. There were some tracers, but they were not very exaggerated. It felt very clearheaded in general. There were some closed eye visuals, not patterns, but a certain amount of brightness.
I like these kinds of drugs for their empathogenic effects, and that seemed to be lacking with this. There was no overwhelming desire to share my feelings like on 4-mmc and methylone. In fact, this felt much less "in your face" than those two drugs. It certainly felt strong, but I suppose it lacked the initial rush those other drugs provide. So while there was a certain depth to it that those other drugs lack, this also lacked the "push" to talk and empathize. There was no "magic" to the experience. That is a big negative for me, as there really is no point for me to take it, if not to talk with my friends. I spent most of the experience thinking about the drug, and trying to decide if I liked it or not.
On the plus side, the entire experience lasted longer than with 4-mmc or methylone. I would say it lasted 5-6 hours. There was residual stimulation afterwards, but I was able to fall asleep around 5:30 am. Also while the jaw tension was annoying, I tend to suck/chew on my cheeks when on stimulates, and it destroys my mouth. I did not do this (as bad) while on 5-mapb. There was no compulsive desire to redose.
I suppose I should add that I have done 6-apb, and I can make some comparisons between the two, but they are distinct. I did not really like 6-apb either. 6-apb felt like a mongy psychedelic trip, and there was no empathy or anything like that. Perhaps the APBs just are not my cup of tea.
In summary, I am still undecided about this drug, and will give it another chance. I think I will tweak the setting next time, and probably drop 150mg. Perhaps the effects will be more pronounced and up my alley. Sorry, this was not my best written report, when I do try it again I will make sure I write closer to the experience so I can get a more descriptive report.
My friend seemed to be more impressed with the drug than I was.
The only question I would ask, would any of you think the drug would be more pronounced at 150mg, versus the dose of 110mg I took?
You might want to give 75mg 5-apb and 75mg 6-apb a try, it's the best of the benzofurans/benzofuran combos I've tried. But it is a little trippy (mostly just visuals, no heavier mental stuff like thought loops and such), so if you don't like that, maybe it's not going to be the best one for your tastes. It does howerver have the best ratio of sedation and stimulation for me. If you like it, you can do 1 re dose after a few h, about 60mg of each. More is possible but this is a HR board so...
Well I like to trip, much more than I like to roll. But I will just stick to full blown psychedelics for that.
I will just wait a few more weeks and try 5-mapb again at 150mg, and in a more ideal/intimate setting. I find it interesting that some people describe this as stronger than methylone. Methylone, for me at least, had stronger empathogenic effects, but those effects are also much shorter lived and fiendish.
I have heard people use the term "no mans land" to describe the feeling of the APBs before. That is a good way to describe it. Not tripping, not rolling, kind of stuck in the middle. That is how I felt.
I will just wait a few more weeks and try 5-mapb again at 150mg, and in a more ideal/intimate setting. I find it interesting that some people describe this as stronger than methylone. Methylone, for me at least, had stronger empathogenic effects, but those effects are also much shorter lived and fiendish.
I have heard people use the term "no mans land" to describe the feeling of the APBs before. That is a good way to describe it. Not tripping, not rolling, kind of stuck in the middle. That is how I felt.
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