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Benzos Switching from Aprazolam to a longer acting benzo, temazepam?

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the Russians have benzos figured out phenazepam is the methadone of the benzo world, very long half life, easy to taper off over a few months.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Uhhh. No. Just no.
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This... Phenazepam is by no means a panacea... It shouldn't even be mentioned at all in this thread.

Diazepam is what the OP should switch to, temazepam is one of it's primary metabolites anyways and Diazepam is the real methadone of benzodiazepines IMO. The half life does not = the time for which the drug is effective, just like how with methadone, people don't get pain relief (and addicts don't experience relief from WD symptoms) for anywhere near it's half-life. Phenazepam is a disaster waiting to happen, it's by no means easy to taper off of, and it's very difficult to dose it accurately without devastating side effects.

I've been taking benzodiazepines for more than half my life, have been extremely dependent on alprazolam, 5-6mg a day is nothing compared to what I used to take, and these days, I do my best to only take diazepam, despite being prescribed multiple benzodiazepines, I'm currently trying to get off of benzos so using alprazolam to treat my panic disorder or using temazepam to treat my insomnia just raise my tolerance and do not treat the underlying conditions at all. So switching to an equipotent dose of diazepam has been helping me to begin my slow taper off of benzodiazepines...

Diazepam is the best benzodiazepine to taper with, phenazepam shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.
 
Well I was in eastern euro at the time with the phenazepam pills not the powder, tapered off benzos completely. But I guess now days diazepam is the better method, thanks for correcting the communicatin.
 
Read 1st post.
tl:dr -....but switching xanax for temaz is laughably niave. 6mg a day is making me drool. DAM!

Diaz start 40mg a day, nps.
Diclaz, BBs 2mgs down to the 1mgs if desired.
Clonaz - Impossible without a script.
 
Temazepam isnr even used for anxiety. It would work imo but youd need a lot and youd be too fucked up to function.
 
[QUOTlplE=LSDMDMA&12004186]Temazepam isnr even used for anxiety. It would work imo but youd need a lot and youd be too fucked up to function.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Temazepams main indication is for insomnia due to its strong hypnotic properties but its a powerful anxiolytic as well. It can be prescribed in lower doses to combat anxiety thats manifest in the evening and at bedtime. For this indication lower doses between 5mg and 10mg are used. Only problem is the rebound anxiety, which because of temaze strong anxiolytic effect, is a complete bitch.
 
Another vote for diazepam. Long-acting and comes in a great variety of preparations so it's easy to accurately cross-taper and then taper slowly when you get down to smaller amounts.
 
tricomb said:
This... Phenazepam is by no means a panacea... It shouldn't even be mentioned at all in this thread.

Diazepam is what the OP should switch to, temazepam is one of it's primary metabolites anyways and Diazepam is the real methadone of benzodiazepines IMO. The half life does not = the time for which the drug is effective, just like how with methadone, people don't get pain relief (and addicts don't experience relief from WD symptoms) for anywhere near it's half-life. Phenazepam is a disaster waiting to happen, it's by no means easy to taper off of, and it's very difficult to dose it accurately without devastating side effects.

I've been taking benzodiazepines for more than half my life, have been extremely dependent on alprazolam, 5-6mg a day is nothing compared to what I used to take, and these days, I do my best to only take diazepam, despite being prescribed multiple benzodiazepines, I'm currently trying to get off of benzos so using alprazolam to treat my panic disorder or using temazepam to treat my insomnia just raise my tolerance and do not treat the underlying conditions at all. So switching to an equipotent dose of diazepam has been helping me to begin my slow taper off of benzodiazepines...

Diazepam is the best benzodiazepine to taper with, phenazepam shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.
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Everybody says diazepam but i doesnt work o nmy anxiety. Just to give you an idea the only time it worked is when i stupidly ate something like 300 mg after half a bottle of vodka and the next day I still needed my usual dose of xanx. It just sucks for anxiety imo.

Id take clonazepam as an option because it somewhat works on GAD but the suplly here is getting cut off >It wont exist anymore soon where im at. So im left with xanax, bromazepam and flunitrazepam and nitrazepam. Fuck diazepam. Imma test out the bromazepam and see if it works.

And yeah me + phenzepam equals disastrous blackout. I dont even wanna hear about it. And theres no euphoria, its basically a forget the next few days drug lol fuck this. I dont want to be balcked out at work and lose it.


bunge said:
[QUOTlplE=LSDMDMA&12004186]Temazepam isnr even used for anxiety. It would work imo but youd need a lot and youd be too fucked up to function.
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Wrong. Temazepams main indication is for insomnia due to its strong hypnotic properties but its a powerful anxiolytic as well. It can be prescribed in lower doses to combat anxiety thats manifest in the evening and at bedtime. For this indication lower doses between 5mg and 10mg are used. Only problem is the rebound anxiety, which because of temaze strong anxiolytic effect, is a complete bitch.[/QUOTE]
If the rebound is that bad no thanks. It would be good for insomnia though. I sleep 3-4 hours a night even though i take enough benzos to knock out any normal person.
gingerbaker said:
Another vote for diazepam. Long-acting and comes in a great variety of preparations so it's easy to accurately cross-taper and then taper slowly when you get down to smaller amounts.
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What i said again, it doesnt work on my anxiety. Never has. I would use it with opiates to increase the muscle relaxingness but thats it. As far as GAD and PA,s go its useless to me .
 
Is etizolam an option?
Like you I find the classic benzos pretty shit for anxiety (admittedly I havent tried them all), diazepam barely touchs my anxiety even in high doses, it just too subtle.
Temazepam wipes out my anxiety but causes rebound anxiety and panic.
I think my anxiety responds best to gabaergics will a high a1 affinity.
Zopiclone works better on my anxiety then then actual benzos with little rebound anxiety, its just addictive as hell.lol I would be interested.in trying zolpidem in the future the test my high a1 affinity theory, but I digress.lol
I find etizolam to be perfect for my anxiety, I know it short acting but its metabolite is effective at the same potentcy as etizolam.
This seems to ease any rebound anxiety I experience without the amnesia etc seen with z-drugs or nitro-type benzos.
The po roblems of tolerance, dependance etc also seem to be less with etizolam and ive exoerienced no problems with my use, so long as I take regular breaks from use.
You cant be seriously considering flinitrazeoam as an anxiolytic for daytime use? Mate, that will get messy, very quickly! The amnesnia etc will be very pronunced and the drug will accumulate with everyday use. Leading to you either falling asleep at an inappropiate time or blacking out completely. Flunitrazepam is a lovely benzo but save it for bedtime.lol
 
bunge said:
Is etizolam an option?
Like you I find the classic benzos pretty shit for anxiety (admittedly I havent tried them all), diazepam barely touchs my anxiety even in high doses, it just too subtle.
Temazepam wipes out my anxiety but causes rebound anxiety and panic.
I think my anxiety responds best to gabaergics will a high a1 affinity.
Zopiclone works better on my anxiety then then actual benzos with little rebound anxiety, its just addictive as hell.lol I would be interested.in trying zolpidem in the future the test my high a1 affinity theory, but I digress.lol
I find etizolam to be perfect for my anxiety, I know it short acting but its metabolite is effective at the same potentcy as etizolam.
This seems to ease any rebound anxiety I experience without the amnesia etc seen with z-drugs or nitro-type benzos.
The po roblems of tolerance, dependance etc also seem to be less with etizolam and ive exoerienced no problems with my use, so long as I take regular breaks from use.
You cant be seriously considering flinitrazeoam as an anxiolytic for daytime use? Mate, that will get messy, very quickly! The amnesnia etc will be very pronunced and the drug will accumulate with everyday use. Leading to you either falling asleep at an inappropiate time or blacking out completely. Flunitrazepam is a lovely benzo but save it for bedtime.lol
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Zolpidem is ovverated for sleep and the high imo. I stopped taking it but i took it every second day and mixing it with xanax and alcohol and get in a trippy headspace and be swerving to some music and sleeping a good 5-6 hours but it gives me rebound anxiety and makes me into a zombie.

I never tried Zopiclone though, you take it daytime or to sleep? Im thinking about trying to get on a bromazepam + xanax + lyrica regime. I still havent tried the bromazepam.

Diazepam is good if you have mild anxiety but in case of strong anxiety and panic attacks diazepam is wridiculous.

Id try etizolam if it wasnt an rc,tbh i dont trust the rc vendors site and dont want to end up ingesting some fucked up rc instead of etizolam. No im not considering flunitraz for daily use hahahahaha id be fired in less then a week lol i tried it twice once with weed once with alcohol and weed and damn was i fucked up. It completes wipes out anxiety though, like anxiety is go away far far far away.

Im curious about one thing, seeing as we seem similar in terms of anxiety issues, how the hell do you smoke? I cant smoke bud only the smoke can make me have a panic attack and that sucks. I wish i coudl replace benzos with weed.
 
Ah, youve hit the root of the matter for me mate.lol I get panic attacks from weed, thats how my anxiety problems started.
I had to give up smoking weed in the daytime entirely. Now I smoke it at night when im in bed to relax and sleep (ive smoked it for too many years to be able to sleep without it.
My current regime is 300mg of pregabalin split into two doses of 150mg, one in the morning and one in early evening. About three hours after my pregabalin (about 9pm-ish) I take 45mg of mirtazapine (another wonderful med) and 90mg of codeine (under-rated for its hypnotic properties imo). About 10pm im ready to have a smoke without fear of anxiety. I know its fucked up to take drugs in order to be able to take another drug...but I still love weed!.
So, to recap, I have to take pregabalin, mitazapine of codeine to control my weed anxiety.
Zopiclone is really nice, mixed with mirtazapine, the high is unbelieveable.
Zopiclone is amazing for anxiety but I wouldnt take it in the day, like the flunitraz it will end messy.
Etizolam isnt really an RC, it has a fair history of use in other countries (its popular in India and Japan) and is produced to pharmaceutical standard in India. You just need to find a vendor who stocks Intas or Etizest brands, my vendor is awesome and the quality of the product and service is superb, so good vendors and products are out there.
 
Bromazepam was found more effective than diazepam in a small case study but it has a lower potency than diazepam does.

Bromazepam was found to be significantly more effective than diazepam with respect to the somatic anxiety factor and the total score for the Hamilton Anxiety Rating Scale and the fear/anxiety factor of the Patient's Self-Rating Symptom Scale
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6132936

It may well be worth investigating.
 
Temazepan's used more as a hypnotic than an anxiolytic.

Try Klonopin (Clonazepam) tried and tested longer lasting anxiolytic, but more potent than Diazepam.
 
You need to switch to a long-acting diazepine if you ever want to stop the constant ups-and-downs. Valium may "suck" for you, but you will be safe from seizures or anything physical happening. The easiest way IME to switch over to a long-acting is by supplementation. If you're at 10mg xanax/day, take 9mg and 10mg of valium instead, etc.
It is going to be hard to switch over to a long-acting benzo, and even harder to quit them entirely, but you can do it. It will only get harder the longer you stay on xanax.
 
I've been taking alprazolam, temazepam, and other benzos for more than half my life, each has a good purpose but they are all bandaids for gunshot wounds, and treating the underlying conditions do 100x what any benzodiazepine could.
 
tricomb said:
temazepam is really not going to help you here, it's hardly any longer acting than alprazolam, they are both fast acting benzodiazepines.
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This. ^

Clonazepam is the best choice for GAD and Social Anxiety Disorder, imo. It lasts an extremely long time, and has a longer duration of action than diazepam, even though its half life is indeed shorter. Plus, it has the same potency as Xanax on a mg per mg basis. Sure, it might not be the most recreational or "fun" benzo, but it does the job, and, like the EnergizerBunny, it keeps on going and going, demolishing any mild-moderate anxiety in its path.

I got tired of watching the clock waiting for my next benzo dose, so I take 1.5-2mg clonazepam every morning and when I got locked up, I didn't feel withdrawals until I was around day 4 without it. Mix it with White Grapefruit Juice every day, and you probably won't feel w/d's until day 7.

tricomb said:
I've been taking alprazolam, temazepam, and other benzos for more than half my life, each has a good purpose but they are all bandaids for gunshot wounds, and treating the underlying conditions do 100x what any benzodiazepine could.
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Sadly, this is true, but us addicts seem to take the easy way out far too often. That being said, if the OP is indeed using alprazolam chronically, he might be better off on a medium dose Klonopin script, or extremely high dose Valium script, but I recommend Klonopin for your usage.
 
Yeah the thing I love best about being on diazepam now, is that I actually forget to take my doses, sometimes a couple days go by and I'll be like, hmmm, why am I not sleeping so well? Oh shit, I haven't taken my valium since Wednesday!

Never had this with any other benzodiazepine. Clonazepam seems to work for some, but I would strongly advise trying diazepam first, clonazepam has been linked to causing depression and some other less-than-desirable shit. Plus it's ridiculously hard to get off of, most have to eventually switch to diazepam anyways. But to each their own.
 
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