Benzos Switching from Aprazolam to a longer acting benzo, temazepam?

[PurpleKush1]

Switch to Klonopin instead or perhaps Valium. Equivalency charts can be found in my signature.

Man i said like 10 times alrready kpins and any form of clonazepam will be out of the market here in less then a few months. I appreciate the advice. Clonaz i would honestly give a try but its not going to be on the market anymore and diazepam is useless. Any other suggestions>

First post cherry pop. Cheers. Hopefully I can manage to make a post without breaking any rules. Here goes.

I've got pretty bad anxiety. Mainly just a constant anxiety that is exacerbated while I'm out in public. As hilarious as it is, when I'm not medicated, my "attacks" come in the form of me feeling like I'm shitting and pissing myself. No lie. Shrinks chalk it up to a triggered PTSD response from being in a prolonged state of fight or flight while overseas. Ever hear someone say they get a warm sensation that feels like they're pissing themselves when their stoned? Yeah that's me, except I'm completely sober and asking someone for directions.

Anyway, I think the key to benzodiazepines is finding one that doesn't completely kill your anxiety and get you high, but brings it down enough that you can then mentally work yourself through the rest. Otherwise, In my opinion, if you truly have severe anxiety, there is no pill that is going to completely rid you of it and still allow you to be functional. Go that route and you're lookin at a potentially serious addiction. But I'm not chairing an NA meeting, so the last thing I'll add in that regard is just make sure you're not confusing your unalleviated anxiety with what is actually withdrawal.

With that being said, I've tried pretty much every state side benzo there is. Temazepam wasn't bad but certainly didn't live up to it's hype. Plus, if I recall correctly, it's considered a "hypnotic" benzo, so idk how helpful it would be during the day time.

I'm currently on clonazepam and find that it works well for me. It is definitely subtle, but I purposely try to keep as low of a dosage as possible, just enough so I can actually function. The rest I curb with meditation, mindfulness, exercise, etc. Getting rid of at least your physical anxiety by burning yourself out at the gym really helps. If you're anxiety is truly that bad, I'd ditch the alprazolam as soon as possible. 6mg is nuts man, and all your doing is racking up your tolerance, which could all be avoided once you find your niche with a longer acting medication. But even for me, clonazepam cuts out half way through the day when it is supposed to last 12 hours, a typical regiment being one in the morning and one at night. I started at .5 2x a day and instead of jumping to 1mg 2x a day I do .5 3x a day. I'm currently trying to taper myself off, because I'm not trying to be on this shit for the rest of my life.

As cliche as it is, just remember that medications treat the symptom but not the problem. Good luck man.

Thank you for your input. I wont be able to get clonazepam like for the 10th time i this thread its getting cut out of the market here. I wish diazepam relieved anxeity......

 

[Rybee]

Damn. Why do you take the quetiapine? I used it for a year and its a zombie pill for real in dose of 100 mg and higher

Got problems sleeping, can induce a sleep and fairly easily but I keep waking up sporadically during the night so I take it to sedate me and try and keep me asleep. though it's not really working. Was working fine at 25mg for a week, then at 50mg for a week, now I just seem to be chasing the dose higher and higher. First time I had it, I had it with a glass of wine with my dinner thinking nothing of it and it knocked me out 8(

First post cherry pop. Cheers. Hopefully I can manage to make a post without breaking any rules. Here goes.

I've got pretty bad anxiety. Mainly just a constant anxiety that is exacerbated while I'm out in public. As hilarious as it is, when I'm not medicated, my "attacks" come in the form of me feeling like I'm shitting and pissing myself. No lie. Shrinks chalk it up to a triggered PTSD response from being in a prolonged state of fight or flight while overseas. Ever hear someone say they get a warm sensation that feels like they're pissing themselves when their stoned? Yeah that's me, except I'm completely sober and asking someone for directions.

Anyway, I think the key to benzodiazepines is finding one that doesn't completely kill your anxiety and get you high, but brings it down enough that you can then mentally work yourself through the rest. Otherwise, In my opinion, if you truly have severe anxiety, there is no pill that is going to completely rid you of it and still allow you to be functional. Go that route and you're lookin at a potentially serious addiction. But I'm not chairing an NA meeting, so the last thing I'll add in that regard is just make sure you're not confusing your unalleviated anxiety with what is actually withdrawal.

With that being said, I've tried pretty much every state side benzo there is. Temazepam wasn't bad but certainly didn't live up to it's hype. Plus, if I recall correctly, it's considered a "hypnotic" benzo, so idk how helpful it would be during the day time.

I'm currently on clonazepam and find that it works well for me. It is definitely subtle, but I purposely try to keep as low of a dosage as possible, just enough so I can actually function. The rest I curb with meditation, mindfulness, exercise, etc. Getting rid of at least your physical anxiety by burning yourself out at the gym really helps. If you're anxiety is truly that bad, I'd ditch the alprazolam as soon as possible. 6mg is nuts man, and all your doing is racking up your tolerance, which could all be avoided once you find your niche with a longer acting medication. But even for me, clonazepam cuts out half way through the day when it is supposed to last 12 hours, a typical regiment being one in the morning and one at night. I started at .5 2x a day and instead of jumping to 1mg 2x a day I do .5 3x a day. I'm currently trying to taper myself off, because I'm not trying to be on this shit for the rest of my life.

As cliche as it is, just remember that medications treat the symptom but not the problem. Good luck man.

Excellent first post VeloriumIV! I agree with you on your point re: trying to find a suitable benzo. I'm stuck in that position at the moment, Diazepam/Valium generally works pretty well for me, but it's got such a long half life it makes me feel so spaced out for days on end. Whereas Alprazolam/Xanax does the trick but sometimes it's just too potent and I go from being anxious to just high, though it does have the benefit of wearing off quickly. I've tried meditation but I just lack the mental discipline. I prefer guided meditation, because it stops my mind from wandering too far away. Interesting what you said about Clonazepam as I think that's the next choice from my Pscyh as a half way between the Alprazolam and Diazepam in potency/duration of length. There's so many to choose from which is good in a way I guess, but my tolerance has shot up lately which doesn't help. I've stopped using Benzodiazepines and have started using Tramadol/Oral Morphine to help kerb my anxiety. Obviously not the best move but I need to lower my Benzo tolerance, and the opioids are actually working quite well.

Switch to Klonopin instead or perhaps Valium. Equivalency charts can be found in my signature.

I think he's already said Clonazepam/Diazepam are unattainable for him.

Man i said like 10 times alrready kpins and any form of clonazepam will be out of the market here in less then a few months. I appreciate the advice. Clonaz i would honestly give a try but its not going to be on the market anymore and diazepam is useless. Any other suggestions>


Thank you for your input. I wont be able to get clonazepam like for the 10th time i this thread its getting cut out of the market here. I wish diazepam relieved anxeity......

So what are your options then? If your not able to get Clonazepam and you don't rate Diazepam, what are your actual options that we can cut it down to and provide pro's/con's for?

 

[PurpleKush1]

Got problems sleeping, can induce a sleep and fairly easily but I keep waking up sporadically during the night so I take it to sedate me and try and keep me asleep. though it's not really working. Was working fine at 25mg for a week, then at 50mg for a week, now I just seem to be chasing the dose higher and higher. First time I had it, I had it with a glass of wine with my dinner thinking nothing of it and it knocked me out 8(



Excellent first post VeloriumIV! I agree with you on your point re: trying to find a suitable benzo. I'm stuck in that position at the moment, Diazepam/Valium generally works pretty well for me, but it's got such a long half life it makes me feel so spaced out for days on end. Whereas Alprazolam/Xanax does the trick but sometimes it's just too potent and I go from being anxious to just high, though it does have the benefit of wearing off quickly. I've tried meditation but I just lack the mental discipline. I prefer guided meditation, because it stops my mind from wandering too far away. Interesting what you said about Clonazepam as I think that's the next choice from my Pscyh as a half way between the Alprazolam and Diazepam in potency/duration of length. There's so many to choose from which is good in a way I guess, but my tolerance has shot up lately which doesn't help. I've stopped using Benzodiazepines and have started using Tramadol/Oral Morphine to help kerb my anxiety. Obviously not the best move but I need to lower my Benzo tolerance, and the opioids are actually working quite well.



I think he's already said Clonazepam/Diazepam are unattainable for him.



So what are your options then? If your not able to get Clonazepam and you don't rate Diazepam, what are your actual options that we can cut it down to and provide pro's/con's for?

If you use Seroquel onyl for sleep switch to something else. Fast. I was given seroquel for <<sleep>> though and it fucks the head up. Shit ambien, or just a mix of natural shit is better then seroquel for sleep. Seorquel has horrendous side effects long term. Smoke some good indica if you like and can handle weed, your sleep will be way better and more refreshing then Sero induced sleep.

I like opies but if i dont take a benzo with em i get too anxious and nauseaous as strange as it sounds. I dont know what to say on that to be honest. Both benzos and opies are physically very addicting but i beleive benzos fuck the head waaaaay more then opies. I wish Xanax would have a long duration. I dont even get high on the amount i take daily. I just well like function.

Apparently the CLonazepam thing was just a scare ad it will be avaible, but just a bit more expensive and marketed by another company. So im starting a new regime. .5 clonaz + 15 mg mirtazapine in the morning, xanax as needed during the day + another 15 mg of mirtazapine, and 1mg clonazepam + 30 mg mirtazapine when i come back. I started today with the kpins and its bullshit. I ate 1 mg and still needed another .5 of xanax to amke it manageable. I hvanet eaten so much benzos as usual though. at 2 mg after 5 hours of being awake which aint that bad. On a weekend .

I want to hear about less known benzos, oxazepam,brutizolam,nitrazepam,etc. You ever tried those?

 

[MagickalKat777]

Demands of instant gratification will bring about many problems in your situation.

Klonopin isn't going to have a real effect until you have a consistent level in your bloodstream which takes a few days. Learn some patience before you end up with a huge tolerance to Klonopin too (its the hardest to get back down).

 

[PurpleKush1]

Demands of instant gratification will bring about many problems in your situation.

Klonopin isn't going to have a real effect until you have a consistent level in your bloodstream which takes a few days. Learn some patience before you end up with a huge tolerance to Klonopin too (its the hardest to get back down).

Nad how much time should it take to get a consistant effect in mah blood? Frankly i think logically xanax would be the hardest to ditch no? Its stronger imo then kpins. I got some mirtazapine too. Imma try all thre together tmrw

 

[MagickalKat777]

Nad how much time should it take to get a consistant effect in mah blood? Frankly i think logically xanax would be the hardest to ditch no? Its stronger imo then kpins. I got some mirtazapine too. Imma try all thre together tmrw

It took me 6 days before Klonopin started working. I know because the previous 5 days were pure Xanax withdrawal but I stuck through it and I was fine after that.

Xanax is not the hardest at all. Klonopin may FEEL weaker but it actually is as strong as Xanax but has added affinity for serotonin too. Most would agree that Klonopin is the hardest benzo to kick. A lot of people can't even do a cross-over to Valium from Klonopin and have to taper from Klonopin directly.

Remeron is going to take about 2-3 weeks to fully start working, Klonopin I'd give a week.

 

[PurpleKush1]

It took me 6 days before Klonopin started working. I know because the previous 5 days were pure Xanax withdrawal but I stuck through it and I was fine after that.

Xanax is not the hardest at all. Klonopin may FEEL weaker but it actually is as strong as Xanax but has added affinity for serotonin too. Most would agree that Klonopin is the hardest benzo to kick. A lot of people can't even do a cross-over to Valium from Klonopin and have to taper from Klonopin directly.

Remeron is going to take about 2-3 weeks to fully start working, Klonopin I'd give a week.

I see. Thank you for the answer. Im going to start on that regime this weekend. I dont like what im reading about weight gain on mirtazapine though.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I see. Thank you for the answer. Im going to start on that regime this weekend. I dont like what im reading about weight gain on mirtazapine though.

Watch your sugar intake. I never gained any weight from it. Not everyone does. If you're prone to weight gain, you'll put on around 15 pounds.

There is a trade off with every med though. Compared to the rest of them, mirtazapine's isn't bad.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Watch your sugar intake. I never gained any weight from it. Not everyone does. If you're prone to weight gain, you'll put on around 15 pounds.

There is a trade off with every med though. Compared to the rest of them, mirtazapine's isn't bad.

I got used to almost not eat and lost lots of weight in the last 3 months so i think ill be good . I tried the mirtaz for sleep but mixed it with ambien clonazepam and beeer and well after 40 hours of no sleep got kncoked the fuck out lol.

 

[m3trigun]

I used to be on 40mg of Valium a day, right now I'm on 8mg xanax a day, but if you want something that will last quite a while, since Valium builds up in your system you won't have withdrawals immediately after running out. Id say go with diazepam. Only thing they prescribe AFAIK stronger than xanax in the USA is triazolam. But that's definitely not what you want for a long lasting benzo.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Why no Triaz as long acting benzo?

 

[MagickalKat777]

Why no Triaz as long acting benzo?

Triaz has an unacceptable rate of causing psychiatric disorders, something around 10% if I remember correctly.

It also isn't a long acting benzo. It is used for sleep in people that have severe insomnia and you feel a hangover the next day but its metabolized in a few hours.

 

[PurpleKush1]

What kind of psych disorders? i got quite a few already haha.

I could use for sleep to kncok me out because xanax alone doesnt knock me out unless i eat a shitload.

 

[MagickalKat777]

These are some official reports of triazolam side effects:

Halcion side effects in people aged 10-19:
(1) Suicide attempt: 12 reports.
(2) Overdose: 5 reports.
(3) Convulsion: 5 reports.
(4) Somnolence: 5 reports.
(5) Restlessness: 4 reports.
(6) Incorrect dose administered: 3 reports.
(7) Renal failure acute: 3 reports.
(8) Interstitial lung disease: 3 reports.
(9) Drug toxicity: 3 reports.
(10) Depressed level of consciousness: 3 reports.
Halcion side effects in people aged 20-29:
(1) Suicide attempt: 43 reports.
(2) Depressed level of consciousness: 26 reports.
(3) Pyrexia: 23 reports.
(4) Overdose: 22 reports.
(5) Insomnia: 13 reports.
(6) Intentional overdose: 13 reports.
(7) Coma: 13 reports.
(8) Pleural effusion: 13 reports.
(9) White blood cell count decreased: 12 reports.
(10) Loss of consciousness: 12 reports.
Halcion side effects in people aged 30-39:
(1) Suicide attempt: 53 reports.
(2) Depressed level of consciousness: 39 reports.
(3) Pyrexia: 37 reports.
(4) Somnolence: 28 reports.
(5) Insomnia: 27 reports.
(6) Overdose: 25 reports.
(7) Hepatic function abnormal: 25 reports.
(8) Intentional overdose: 20 reports.
(9) Coma: 18 reports.
(10) Blood creatine phosphokinase increased: 18 reports.
Halcion side effects in people aged 40-49:
(1) Suicide attempt: 47 reports.
(2) Nausea: 32 reports.
(3) Abdominal pain: 29 reports.
(4) Overdose: 27 reports.
(5) Insomnia: 26 reports.
(6) Depressed level of consciousness: 26 reports.
(7) Headache: 24 reports.
(8) Hypoaesthesia: 23 reports.
(9) Somnolence: 23 reports.
(10) Depression: 22 reports.

http://www.ehealthme.com/halcion/halcion-side-effects

The benzodiazepines have for several decades been recognized in the literature and clinical practice for their capacity to cause mental and behavioral abnormalities.

Xanax (alprazolam), and to an even greater extent, Halcion (triazolam), have a significantly different profile from other benzodiazepines due to their greater capacity to bind to receptors and their shorter half-life.

Halcion's very short half-life led to the hope that it would make a particularly good sleeping medication but it has proven especially dangerous.

The brain-disabling or toxic effects of the benzodiazepines in general can be divided into several somewhat overlapping categories:

The primary clinical effect of inducing sedation (tranquility) or hypnosis (sleep), which is indistinguishable from a toxic effect except in degree;

Cognitive dysfunction, ranging from short-term memory impairment and confusion to delirium;

Disinhibition and other behavioral aberrations - including extreme agitation, psychosis, paranoia, and depression, sometimes with violence toward self or others;

Withdrawal, in which the individual experiences a continuum of symptoms from anxiety and insomnia after routine use to psychosis and seizures after the abrupt termination of long-term, larger doses;

Rebound, an aspect of withdrawal, in which the individual develops anxiety, insomnia, or other serious emotional reactions that are more intense than before drug treatment began. Withdrawal can take place between doses during the routine administration of benzodiazepines, especially the short-acting ones.

Habituation and addiction, along a continuum from feeling dependent on the drug to compulsively organizing one's behavior in a self-destructive manner around obtaining large amounts of the agent.

http://www.benzo.org.uk/breggin.htm

I wouldn't mess with it.

I actually had pretty nasty hostility issues with Xanax and Klonopin. Halcion would land me in the psych ward for sure.

 

[PurpleKush1]

These are some official reports of triazolam side effects:



http://www.ehealthme.com/halcion/halcion-side-effects



http://www.benzo.org.uk/breggin.htm

I wouldn't mess with it.

I actually had pretty nasty hostility issues with Xanax and Klonopin. Halcion would land me in the psych ward for sure.

Damn. What kind of hostility issues if it aint personal?

 

[MagickalKat777]

Damn. What kind of hostility issues if it aint personal?

I would lose my temper over the stupidest things. My patience was zapped to zero. I'd just blow up. One time I snapped so hard over something minor (so minor that I don't even remember what it was) that I snapped and went psycho on the wall in the closet at my apartment and ended up destroying around 18"x14" or so completely and ended up being hospitalized in the psych ward for a 72 hour hold. That was Klonopin and Celexa that this particular episode happened with but there were other examples.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I would lose my temper over the stupidest things. My patience was zapped to zero. I'd just blow up. One time I snapped so hard over something minor (so minor that I don't even remember what it was) that I snapped and went psycho on the wall in the closet at my apartment and ended up destroying around 18"x14" or so completely and ended up being hospitalized in the psych ward for a 72 hour hold. That was Klonopin and Celexa that this particular episode happened with but there were other examples.

Damn benzos aint the drug for you i guess. Xanax definitly makes me more agressive but i dont snapp that much, rarely and rarely physically. Im taking more and more clonazepam everyday and less xanax. I dont like the mirtazapine at all but ill still take it for 3 weeeks see what happens.

 

[Rebel Maven]

MagickalKat777: I actually had pretty nasty hostility issues with Xanax....

A common paradoxical reaction to Xanax:

Paradoxical reactions
Side effects from Alprazolam

Although unusual, the following paradoxical reactions have been shown to occur:

Aggression
Rage, hostility
Twitches and tremor
Mania, agitation, hyperactivity and restlessness

 

[MagickalKat777]

^ Yeah I had all four sets of paradoxical reactions with it... Although Klonopin made me manic more than Xanax did.

PurpleKush1, what's wrong with the mirtazapine?

 

[PurpleKush1]

A common paradoxical reaction to Xanax:

Paradoxical reactions
Side effects from Alprazolam

Although unusual, the following paradoxical reactions have been shown to occur:

Aggression
Rage, hostility
Twitches and tremor
Mania, agitation, hyperactivity and restlessness

It def increase hostility. Sometimes im a bit manic but im bipolar so that plays a role too.

^ Yeah I had all four sets of paradoxical reactions with it... Although Klonopin made me manic more than Xanax did.

PurpleKush1, what's wrong with the mirtazapine?

Damn Kat.....benzos are DEF not youre med. The mirtazapine increases this fears of eing drugged. Benzos increase that paranoia.

Its really strange to explain, ive been a paranoid wreck since i can remeber, but before my paranoia was centered on things like an intruder and shit. But now everytime i go somewhere, meet somebody who uses whatever drug, im always convinced they slipped me some shit like eve nATM. It fucking sucks. And mirtazapine + benzos increases this fears. I dont even trust the pizza delivery service.

And the mirtaz + benzos make me zombie, feel like im on seroquel fo real. Im still going to give it 3 weeks. And if the anxiety doesnt go away then fuck the mirtaz.