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Codeine & CWE (aka cdub) Megathread: third time's the charm

^ I have always found cwe's with ibuprofen tablets come out much cloudier than paracetamol ones. I don't believe it's because more ibuprofen is getting through as compared to paracetamol cwe's - the solubility of paracetamol in water is actually higher than ibuprofen. Ibuprofen isn't very soluble at all, even in warmer water - less than 1mg/ml. I believe the cloudiness is due to soluble binders and other inactive ingredients in ibuprofen pills coming through. If your cwe technique is producing a clear result when filtering paracetamol, and you follow the same technique for your ibuprofen cwe, I don't think the extra cloudiness will be harmful.
 
Damn it sucks when you go to the ER to get stitched back up (managed to run myself over with my car) and they ask if you want pain meds......Hell yeah you say but full well know they are only going to bring panadeine forte!!!! You cant tell of your 800mg codeine habit or they'll just class you as a drug seeker. The fortes didn't even touch the sides. Damn I though a prescription of tramadol at least!! WHAT THE HELL DOES ONE NEED TO DO......CUT OFF HIS LEG!! [rant over]
 
OK, Sorry to go here again.

I took 400mg Codeine over roughly 6 hours. Didnt feel too buzzed. Now the only effects noticable are bit of itchiness. I took 1.5 mg xanax. I know this combo is dangerous but I feel uneffected by the codeine.
Generally speaking, is this dangerous or is it only when the codeine effects are strong?
 
^ generally speaking, it's a dangerous combo.
Especially with a low tolerance. People get away with it, sure; others don't.
There are plenty of other 'potentiators' out there, but opiates + benzos = dangerous.
 
spacejunk said:
opiates + benzos = dangerous.
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^This. A lot of people underestimate it and wind up in hospital. Even at low doses (400mg of codeine is not a low dose for someone without tolerance) there's a risk.

Taking codeine over a prolonged period would account for why you're not feeling it very much. Take it all in one shot (I mean drink, NEVER SHOOT CODEINE).
 
Paper coffee filters seem to do an alright filtration job. As has been discussed endlessly in this thread, it is hard to quantify the contents/safety of the resulting solution.
Been many years since I've done a CWE, but I wouldn't use any less of a filter - especially if you are already relatively hard on your liver with the alcohol.
coffee filters are no more expensive or hard to find (supermarket) than paper towel.
When people talk about using shirts, etc....I kinda cringe, unless you're going to filter it with something a bit finer afterwards.
I'm sure lab grade filters would be even better...or microns, etc
But normal coffee filters seem to be a common, accepted practice.
 
Not really against the rules, but it leads to endless speculation because unless you have the time and money to test it, there's no way of knowing for sure.

You can use the following solubility tables (along with monitoring your solution temperature) to get a rough idea of how much would be left in the final product:

Paracetamol (Acetaminophen) Solubility in Water:
1g Paracetamol per 70ml water at 10C.
1g Paracetamol per 20ml water at 100C.

Ibuprofen Solubility in Water:
1g Ibuprofen per 100ml water at 31C
1g Ibuprofen per 250ml water at 21C

Codeine Solubility in Water:
1g Codeine per 2.3ml water at 31C
1g Codeine per 0.7ml water at 21C
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The less water you use, the better.
 
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^ impossible to say without fairly elaborate testing IMO.
There is plenty of speculation (in this thread and others) but nothing conclusive.

The message in that - as far as I'm concerned - is that you cannot take too many precautions.
The most dangerous thing to do would be to assume cutting corners (or being impatient) is safe.
Nobody here can really say for certain how efficient a CWE is, because it is a non-medically approved preparation.

I would recommend looking back at some of the posts by a bluelighter going by the name Sonny Jim.
He posted extensively in (previous, archived?) CWE threads, and had a pretty strong view that people's complacency and blind trust in the efficiency of CWEs is incredibly unsafe.
Not everyone agreed with this....but short of clinical studies of the process and results, it's all conjecture I'm afraid.

One thing for certain is that carrying out a cold water extraction is a hell of a lot better than necking pills full of ibuprofen or paracetamol! How much better/safer? Hard to know.
 
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Black Rabbit of Inlè said:
Aspirin (Ibuprofen) Solubility in Water:
1g Ibuprofen per 100ml water at 31C
1g Ibuprofen per 300ml water at 21C
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aspirin is not ibuprofen is it? They may both be NSAID, but I think aspirin and ibuprofen are completely different drugs...
 
Pretty sure a lot of the cloudiness from Ibu CWE's is from the tableting agents.
I do remember reading an excipient list and one of the brands contained Titanium dioxide , which as any artist knows is also a type of white paint.

Although you might not be overdoing it on the Ibuprofen, I can't imagine all those fillers if consumed on the reg are too good for you.
 
There's no universal database (yet). They just want to make you feel as uncomfortable as possible. Many people have suggested that codeine will one day be like pseudoephedrine with a universal database system, and I expect that to happen myself too. Especially if someone who doesn't use clean injecting equipment gets some kind of abscess and says they bought heroin and it may be krokodil. The media will have a field day and the conservative government will do what conservative governments do best and fuck everything up, such as completely cut funding for one of Australia's major harm reduction *word* only weeks after saying that they're "looking forward to working with you in the years ahead". Fuck I hate Australia.
 
^ fuckin' a.
Abbott's a fucking dickhead.
Not a good time to rely on the availablity of this particular DOC.
Good incentive not to get hooked, CWErs.
 
couldn't be farked researching this myself as I see BL as a living encyclopedia anyway ;)

what is the actual reaction when you mix opiates with benzos - what is happeneing with the body's system and what chemical reaction is happening. Im only a recent partaker in the combo and its fricken amazing....nod city!

cheers all
 
Lots of respiratory depression, and depression of the body in general multiplied by depressants causes depression, but not of the mental depression category, more of the body depressed so much that it dies kind.
 
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