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Need support trying to kick dope....I need help

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Troublemaker13

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Was doing good for a couple weeks..... Finally had it off my back. Going to meetings and everything. Obviously I picked up. Been getting high for about a year or two. Was clean for most of month hand now using a week and a half about 5 bags a day Was sober prior had some surgeries and next thing ya know. I have a beautiful family, job, and a real bad secret. Been trying to kick with neurontin. I have a sub but have been trying to cold turky. I just can't seem to get started again. Should I take a piece of sub tomarrow and use it for 3-4 days? I hate how subs feel and don't want to extend wd. I'm
F@ckin terrified of the wd.... Insomnia so forth. I'm trying to man up I really need help. Thanks
 
Hey TM.. your doing good dont beat yourself up.. I wouldn't use the sub.. cause the whole deal with trying to get through the acutes is to not stimulate the opiate receptors with anything. Plus if you use the sub then your going to extend your stay in the dark woods for quite a bit. heron which turns into morphine almost immediately in the blood stream has a half life of four hours or so.. so every four hour half of what was previously in your system at the start of that hour will be gone.. I will just throw a little depiction of how this works for anyone who may read it benefit.

So say you take in 100 mg of something with a half life of 10 hours then this is how it a half life goes..


100 - 50 10 hrs
50 - 25 20 hrs
25 - 12.5 30 hrs
12.5-6.25 40 hrs
and so on and so forth

So suboxone has a half life of about 24- 42 hours >source<
while morphine has a half life of 2-4 hours >source<

The significance of this is huge.. If you take the sub you will likely start the whole process over and may spend two weeks in acute withdrawals because of the half life.. if you continue on you will be over the hill in about three days from when you started...


Your doing great though.. and we can support yah.. stay strong cause the little respite of the sub will just fuck ya in the end I think... :!

Fight fight fight..<3

can you get into see a doctor.. if you can here are the meds i would use if it was me in the thick of it..
The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol

Addiction Guide
The Brain and Addiction (under construction)

Then when the acutes are over you will need to come up with a plan to combat the PAWS and I recommend doing this before you begin to detox as our minds can get pretty clouded during this process so I think its better to have a plan in place ahead of time.

Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
Hey I thought the grey matter of ADD could chew on this....
EXERCISE AND MOOD
 
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Thanks for the reply. Got high today so tomarrow try again. Goin to a meeting in the am. It's tough hiding it from family. Wife has no clue. I've been sick with Lyme so I blamed allot in that. I have a ton of responsibility work daughter. Not that in unique it's just I need to at least function. I have a bunch if nerontin..I have like 14 of the .3 clonodine. No benzos. Problem with neurontin is I've been using like 2400 mgs a day so my tolerance is up there.
Aside from all that the fear is gripping me. Also so bummed that I fucked this up. I had it man. Anyhow I gotta get back up. U think I should just double up on neurontin? Also what about the quantity of colonodine?thanks again for getting back bro. I do want to get out cold turky bro.
 
yeah I think after all the taper nonsense we all have to get out cold turkey.. hey and dont beat yourself up.. its takes a few attempts until most people realize that sjit is pretty hard and their recovery has to be first and foremost in their lives.. So good your pulling out while you still have it all=D


Yeah since you have been hammering back on the gaba is there anyway you can score some benzos for the night time to try and get a hold on the gaba.. how long have you been using the neurontin at that mgpd?

clonidine needs to be tapered up and down so i can give you a recommendation but it isnt to substitute for a MD.. what your weight.

3600 is max dose for neurontin so you have some room if you have been going up slowly. This medication does produce significant withdrawals in people with a physical dependence so just be aware as switching one for the other isnt worth it and unfortunately we all must pay the piper.

for the clonidine the recommendation for opiat withdrawal is.. .1-.3 mg PO tid (3 times a day) to qid (4 times a day) or .1 to .2 mg PO q 4 h tapering off over 4 days 1/4 each day.. and again im not a doctor and dont know your history so But what worked for me was the PO q $ h or ,2 mg by mouth every four hours.




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Maybe 3-4 days with GABA. I take 600 twice a day usually. I weigh 175. May use GABA for another 5 days high dose before bed. I can get benzo but they are dangerously for me.
 
play it safe and really if your sleeping then your pretty much all good right? Those doses are good for you by the book without any other considerations. Your doing good and I will give you any support you need!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks. Only getting sleep cuz I keep ending up using. Gonna try and push throu today. I want this bad. Just this fear is destroying me. Hopefully with colonadine and GABA I can get through.
 
TM13 =D Push yourself and get rid of the drugs or you will likely continue to use.

There are a whole bunch of people that are posting today and looking to kick so Im going to introduce you all buy linking all your threads in all your threads. I encourage you to participate in their efforts as this is kinda how we addicts get down this crazy ass river.. tied to one another.. that way hopefully when one person is sinking the others can give a hand.


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Obviously we will have shuffles as life progresses but since so many of us seem to be in the same boat at the exact same time I thought that a really string kick support may form so I will pass this around.


You can do this!!!!!
 
I'm having a real tough time getting through day 1. Not even that terrible at the 18-24 hour mark. I just get so freaked out and upset. Feel like sick a failure. A complete p---y. I still have the sub and I'm trying to get more colonadibe. Have like 10-12. I keep trying and the problem is with the GABA I've been taking a bunch last couple weeks and it's not working so good now. It was Great at stopping wd. Anyhow in gonna try and sack up again tomarrow. It's hard pretending everything's ok at work and home with wife and kid..... When they don't even know your detoxing. I made my bed I guess. Any ho will try and keep posting.... I'll take whatever help I can get.
 
24 hours in...... Sux knowing tomarrow should be worse. If I can write and work it can't be that bad. Man I want it be free if this shit.
 
Day 2 not do bad really. Colonidine and neurontin and I slept. Gotta keep positive and love my family. I can do this.
 
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You got this!
 
Keep on keeping on! I have two small children to care for, one is mine and the other one I have the majority of the time as her caretaker. It is tough going through w/ds with kids around, esp. when you can't tell anyone what you're really going through. The gabapentin helps me immensely. You can do this - just keep on going one tiny step at a time.
 
Man I needed that. Thanks guys. Getting closer almost 48 hour in. Work is tough.... Home is tough .... It's all tough but not as tough as the fear. I would rather feel like this than be owned and afraid. Trying to keep using outta my head. I gotta get through
 
Might not be want you want to do, but disassociating with other users, sources, etc was key for me to get away from it all. That and finding something else to keep me BUSY. (Even if it's watching Doctor Who reruns in my spare time with a heaping plate of french fries and ketchup. :) Find what helps, and take advantage.
 
Luckily for the most part I run solo. Family and all.... Gonna hit meetings, work, and hammer JiuJitsu. Not feeling too hot but still standing.
 
Yeah, there's always that equilibrium to chems. As I balanced out, I figured I had to deal with as much low as I did high, and if I'd had more high, I'd have to eventually get the low out of my system. More figurative than literal, of course, but I don't get pissed off when I can't get my head out of the dumps; instead I see it as draining out the negative to get back to my natural balance. Anyway. Here's to family, friends, and faith in God (for myself, anyway).

Peace!
 
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