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Hi guys I have a weird problem. I've run 2+grams of testosterone E for months at a time with absolutely no effect. I figured it was fake product so at the end of it I had bloods done and my free and total test levels were off the chart high. I literally had no effects: no libido, erections, oily skin, gyno, etc. I am currently on a low dose of TRT as well with no effect. Is there another deficiency I may have that would render the testosterone molecule useless? I am also on 25mcg of T3 daily for thyroid. Low dose of HCG: 750-1000 iu per week. I have also used propecia in the past and am concerned my androgen receptors may have basically shut down.
 
this sounds like an interesting case, your best bet is probably finding an endocrinologist who specializes in these things and talking to him
 
You must be eating and training like shit. No offense.

Also the only time you use over a gram of Testosterone a week is if you are on a moderate dosage of FDA approved HGH.

Without HGH, 500mg-750mg a week is all you need.
 
Even if he's not training and eating like shit I think that on 2g of test, he should get at least some temporary bloat and strength.
 
I wasn't doing it for bodybuilding purposes. I just want to have strong erections and a decent libido.
 
Wow! That's all I can say.
You may be the first man on earth who doesn't lift to use 2g of test/week. Man, seriously, try viagra. And as crazycatman said, you should really see a doctor. If you had no libido because of low test levels, then TRT would have fixed that. But obviously your issue isn't about low test. IDK, see a doctor.
 
uh... erections don't really work in the way more test = better/more erections, in fact really high doses (like 2g) can work in the opposite way aka make your erections/libido even worse
 
crazycatman said:
uh... erections don't really work in the way more test = better/more erections, in fact really high doses (like 2g) can work in the opposite way aka make your erections/libido even worse
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yeah i totally get that. The only reason i did 2+grams is because I thought my gear was fake. I'm actually on normal dosages now with TRT through my doctor(50mg cpyionate twice per week) and my erections still are very weak. I've thought about adding in synthetic DHT: proviron or masteron as Propecia works by inhibiting conversion to DHT. There might be some kind of permanent inhibition thing going on here. I actually just asked my doc to test my dht levels last week so I will know if i'm low pretty soon.
 
yes, doing a blood test is your best bet, and don't just stop at dht, also do e2, prolactin, ... all of those can fuck with sexual performance
 
bro you dont respond to long esters like me. get some test prop that will work. your body cant break down the cyp/enth ester cause you lack the proper esterase in your body to break down the long esters just like me. get some prop try it and come back and tell the results.
 
There could be a number of things that are interfering with normal sexual function. It could be hormonal it could be mechanical, as in perhaps there is a vascular issue not allowing you to create the proper pressure necessary to achieve a fully function erection or say an issue with a growth in the area as well as a few other things mate. See a Dr have a full blood panel done, and see if you can see a urologist, an MRI of the area may be warranted as well to see if there is like I had said a growth of vascular malformation or blockage. Either way mate hopefully your doc can sort this out for you. good luck.
 
Neoprimitive said:
There could be a number of things that are interfering with normal sexual function. It could be hormonal it could be mechanical, as in perhaps there is a vascular issue not allowing you to create the proper pressure necessary to achieve a fully function erection or say an issue with a growth in the area as well as a few other things mate. See a Dr have a full blood panel done, and see if you can see a urologist, an MRI of the area may be warranted as well to see if there is like I had said a growth of vascular malformation or blockage. Either way mate hopefully your doc can sort this out for you. good luck.
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bro he says nothing happens as in it never kicks in or any difference. same thing happened to me test prop did the trick. body cant break down esters/lack esterase i guess.
 
powerclean said:
bro he says nothing happens as in it never kicks in or any difference. same thing happened to me test prop did the trick. body cant break down esters/lack esterase i guess.
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Propionate is an ester...!! Less carbon atoms than test-e, that's all....!!!
 
Where the hell did this nonsense come from. Long esters are the issue, fucking hell. He free and total test was off the charts his word, so that means the body broke it down, his issue is nto with a lack of test but perhaps an issue with another hormone, or even like I said a vascular issue. ED isn't as cut and dry as people think it is there is a number of causes, and solutions stemming from something simple like Viagra to surgery to correct a for lack of a better term a mechanical issue. He did say he has thyroid issues as well so for whats its worth OP have a real frank talk with your dr, and ask if he can refer you to a urologist and or an endo.
 
200mg test pw is all you need for proper sexual function, if low test is really the culprit
 
Genetic Freak said:
Propionate is an ester...!! Less carbon atoms than test-e, that's all....!!!
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not to be a smart ass bro but its a reason why it has less carbons. it not like there both the same material/chamical(except the testosterone) and they just take a tweezer and remove the carbon. its made from different material/chemical or what ever so they react differently to the esterase. sure in most normal people it should not make a difference cause one way or the other both suppose to release. but some of us have different makeup/genetics and dont respond to cyp/enth.

there was a guy that said he only felt cyp if he did it sub q every other day and even then it was not that great.

u can google and find people on other boards wondering why prop only works or why does cyp not work at all but at the same time showing sky high teset levels on the blood report.

i myself am proof of this i dont feel nada from test cyp, like injecting water. lol i have come across people that have been on trt for years and not feeling anything little did they realize it was not being realeased or antibodies against the ester witch causes to body to piss the ester out with the test.

i can only assume why it was not working but the fact is that it was not working as in realeasing the testosterone.

theres a less carbon cause there not the same thing/different material or made from different chemical that reacts differently in the body.
 
I must say I have also heard people both for TRT and juicing that test prop blows test cyp/enanthate out the water and they almost don't feel anything from the long esters regardless how much they use.

Not sure on the science behind it but the only difference between prop and c/e is the amount of carbon links on them...
 
powerclean said:
not to be a smart ass bro but its a reason why it has less carbons. it not like there both the same material/chamical(except the testosterone) and they just take a tweezer and remove the carbon. its made from different material/chemical or what ever so they react differently to the esterase. sure in most normal people it should not make a difference cause one way or the other both suppose to release. but some of us have different makeup/genetics and dont respond to cyp/enth.

there was a guy that said he only felt cyp if he did it sub q every other day and even then it was not that great.

u can google and find people on other boards wondering why prop only works or why does cyp not work at all but at the same time showing sky high teset levels on the blood report.

i myself am proof of this i dont feel nada from test cyp, like injecting water. lol i have come across people that have been on trt for years and not feeling anything little did they realize it was not being realeased or antibodies against the ester witch causes to body to piss the ester out with the test.

i can only assume why it was not working but the fact is that it was not working as in realeasing the testosterone.

theres a less carbon cause there not the same thing/different material or made from different chemical that reacts differently in the body.
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Propionate: Chemical Structure C3 H6 O2.

Enanthate: Chemical Structure C7 H14 O2.

The esters attached to the testosterone molecule are all made of the same basic elements, Carbon Hydrogen and Oxygen. Just about the only difference is the length of the ester in terms of the number of carbon atoms it contains. The carbon atoms form the 'backbone' of the ester with little hydrogen atoms poking off it, A basic Hydrocarbon structure. Basically an acid, the carboxylic acid is added to the alcohol group on the testosterone molecule to form a bond. This bond between the testosterone molecule and the acid is called an ester bond so technically when we refer to the "ester" we are referring to the carboxylic acid part of the molecule.

There are two types of enzymes which can cleave this bond, esterases and hydrolases(sp?) they can remove any type of ester whether it be prop, enanth or cyp. This is because the enzymes target the 'ester bond' so regardless of how long the carboxylic acid group is or its composition the bond is the same for each ester of testosterone. I don't know how correct my assumption is because I couldn't find much research on the matter but what I assume is that this is why time to reach the peak concentration of testosterone in the blood is the same regardless of ester length. The length of the ester doesn't determine the speed at which the ester is cleaved off the testosterone molecule but influences its solubility, so longer esters mean that it takes longer for the molecule to get absorbed into the blood stream where it can be exposed to the enzymes which remove the ester.
 
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