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Where are the firearms at?

At least I'm honest that my gun desires are entirely childish. I want a toy that goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaap.

Or one that goes BOOM BOOM

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What I wrote about the constitution and the circular argument - looks like parttime crackhead got there ahead of me. I read through the last page of the thread but somehow missed that first time round.
 
Why not be practical? I want this browning 30-06 semi auto I am getting for my b-day

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I guess when I was a kid I had the classic mossberg 500 combat shotgun and a few assault weapons. They are toys and I sold them all since. I guess when guns lose their cool factor you have a different respect for them.
 
Droppersneck, apologies if I was beating a strawman in my argument. So is it that you simply believe that america would be in a much worse state than its currently in if the population didn't own guns? Or is that not it?. Is it that you think that owning guns is a prevention against the government getting completely out of control (tyrannical) at some future point?
 
Swarm said:
Droppersneck, apologies if I was beating a strawman in my argument. So is it that you simply believe that america would be in a much worse state than its currently in if the population didn't own guns? Or is that not it?. Is it that you think that owning guns is a prevention against the government getting completely out of control (tyrannical) at some future point?
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I do not think gun ownership has done the least bit as of yet. It may come in handy in the future you just never know what could happen. All I am saying is it is better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it imo
 
You know if guns were made legally available in the UK all you pussies would dive in to get one so you can STFU about your beloved NHS and the queen and dizzee rascal and suck on the nuts of the land of the fukkan free bitches.
 
Droppersneck said:
I do not think gun ownership has done the least bit as of yet. It may come in handy in the future you just never know what could happen. All I am saying is it is better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it imo
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That sounds reasonable.
 
Just A Guy said:
That's one side of an idealist, some might say impossible goal -- I strive for another idealist, some might say impossible goal of truly free markets. As many markets as you need or want. Where you and I disagree, I think, is that you would have some oversight agency determining who needs what, and how much production is required from them. You disdain capitalism (for profit enterprise). I think for-profit capitalism is efficient, sensible, and even more compassionate than Marxist economics, depending on the particular oversight agency. The labour theory of value is interesting to ponder, though.
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The question of "idealism" - actually my political views are rooted in practice, not ideals. It's idealist to think you can change anything by voting. And it's defeatist to then give up on the human race. So we need something that's not idealist, and not defeatist. I mean, just for the pure romance of struggle, defeatism is a pretty fucking pathetic mode of existence :D

No, you've clearly got me mixed up with someone else. I'm a liberterian communist. Possibly an anarcho-syndicalist (these are real things by the way, that have been around for longer than your Tea Party and Ayn Rand). I have no interest in oversight agencies or centralised control of society. I believe in prefiguration, that the forms we take to achieve social change will be themselves be the change. I don't want to form some Party Elite to co-ordinate activity.

What's this "marxist economics"? I'm not a marxist, btw. But I've read some Marx, and what I've read comprises an analysis of capitalist economics. Marxist economics are an approach to understanding, and a critique of capitalism (and more but capitalism is their central target). They are not a system to be implemented in a new society.

When you say that the labour theory of value is interesting to ponder, it makes me scratch my head, because if you've understood it (and it's incredibly simple, just hearing the name is about enough) and it's relation to profit (surplus value) then you'll also immediately understand that capitalism is a system of economic exploitation, and only a dummy is in favour of being exploited.
 
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Hey dropper, slightly off topic but do Americans really clap at the end of a film? And on planes when they touchdown and shit?
 
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