FBI raids alleged online drug market Silk Road, arrests owner

velmwend said:
Ross's parents sent him a book to read. I suppose if someone sends a thick book (1000+ pages) one of the pages could be dosed in acid (?)
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A book about pirates, the parents obviously were the real DPR's.

“Master and Commander” by Patrick O’Brian.

“Master and Commander” by Patrick O’Brian review from amazon
"The first clue you have that Master and Commander is not a typical sea adventure is when a sailor is hanged in the opening pages for sexually molesting the ship's goat."
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knock said:
What "philosophical approach"? (rhetorical question)... what use is an "approach" that relies on good intentions? People will always act in their own interest.
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Who said it relied upon good intentions? So long as he had better security practices he woulda lasted longer*, and w/o those hits it does seem damn-clean in terms of his 'philosophical approach'. I definitely found his writings to be grounded enough in 'acceptable hardline libertarianism' (anarcho capitalism? agorism? meh there's so much overlap sometimes) that it would be very disappointing to have seen such an ambitious 'counter economic' project as silk road be tainted by the kid trying to kill people..

[*I say 'longer' because I don't really think a DPR could last indefinitely in a prohibitionist world, eventually something's gonna slip. Keep swapping out the DPR's though- doesn't even matter at this point, the mere existence of a functioning silk road that was up for years is huge. ]
[[I'm sure most have read these two forbes pieces with interviews of 'a' DPR from some months ago, but his rhetoric and most of the project, save those hits, seems to be what he spoke:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...rug-site-silk-road-and-radical-libertarian/5/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...-booming-black-market-drug-website-silk-road/
 
They've had the LSD in the book thing covered for years....you can only order a book for someone through a prison approved, secure place. Unless you convince someone on that end to hide contraband in the book, but I'm pretty sure it's done in a way that makes it impossible for the person ordering the book for the prisoner to figure out who's sending it. If you ordered a book on Amazon right now, how hard would it be to find the person that was responsible for packing and shipping the book to you before it happened?
 
I read the cnn article on this and its such a load of bs. I seriously doubt this should all be hung on him, but i guess they need a single face. Its sad. Seemed harmless intelligent and a free thinker who was a bit radical. Just what this country hates...when it reality it was founded by men who felt the same way.
 
This whole thing is getting to be a bi of an anti-climax now if you ask me. I guess Breaking Bad is not real after all.

Ulbricht is fucked. No matter what anyone here things whether he is your hero/villain/liberalist/profiteer its all pretty irrelevant. None of us can ever really hope to know who he really was now this story is in the hands of the media with all it's twisted facts and manipulated information. All that you can be sure of, just like Bradley Manning, our friend Ross won't be seeing freedom come to him anytime soon.

Moving on, it is a lesson to any potential buyers out there, do your homework, learn what all these programmes are actually there to do (aside from aid you in scoring drugs) and understand how to be safe about it. The new sites around offer everything SR had sometimes at better prices. To be honest from the end users point of view I think the demise of SR may have done us a favour at opening up the competition meaning vendors charging more reasonable prices at least to reel people to them as the number 1 guy to start with. SR the monopoly had already been established which kind of set the bar price wise
 
bmxxx said:
Who said it relied upon good intentions?
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you

then blundering on the most sacrosanct of its principles- that of not initiating physical force;
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To not blunder on a sacrosanct principle - sounds like good intentions to me. If only he hadn't blundered and took out a hit? If only he stuck to his good intentions.
 
Where did I say the plan relied upon 'good intentions'? Honestly I'm wondering whether I understood your first reply to me properly.

He spoke of very idealistic, laissez faire ideals. He executed a marketplace that was a testament to them, and then he (may have) violated them by ordering hits. Which part of that were you taking issue with, exactly?
 
AAnd theres a film in the pipeline already, yawn

A film about a guy sitting at his laptop for a few years will sure make for good viewing.

20th Century Fox and Chernin Entertainment have set best-selling author Dennis Lehane to script Silk Road, a fact-based tale taken from an article that Joshua Davis is writing for the Epic website, which is devoted to film-friendly longform journalism. It’s the true story of a young kid who was arrested for putting out a hit on the clients of the Silk Road, the illegal online bazaar he created where one could buy illegal goods including drugs or services like contract killings.
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Some release script details already.

*Opens Laptop
*tap tap tappp tapap tapt pta tap
"Your are under arrest sir"
 
ro4eva said:
And IMO/IME you are right not to trust them as they have been known to plant false evidence in an attempt to incarcerate us; particularly someone whom they've been trying to burn for a while, yet, haven't been able to using conventional (legal/proper) methods. And I'm sure that several individuals are rotting in prison atm because they were framed by the very people sworn to protect the public.
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your box, it's full ;]
 
bmxxx said:
Where did I say the plan relied upon 'good intentions'? Honestly I'm wondering whether I understood your first reply to me properly.

He spoke of very idealistic, laissez faire ideals. He executed a marketplace that was a testament to them, and then he (may have) violated them by ordering hits. Which part of that were you taking issue with, exactly?
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I understood you perfectly well. You didn't use the words "good intentions", I'm paraphrasing DPR's (excuse for) political philosophy.

His political stance is that of free market libertarianism, i.e. getting rid of the state but keeping wage-labour and the class system. He believes (believed?) that by eradicating the state and allowing the free market to operate unhindered, we will all be liberated, that there will be an end to the use of force, an end to violence. That's what I've gleaned from reading stuff he said.

What he failed to grasp is that the state is essential to the operation of capitalism. Without a state, who will prevent the poor taking the wealth from the rich? DPR's claim is that physical force would be unnecessary. In the absence of force, the only remaining option is "good intentions". Do you see where that's coming from now? DPR's political philosophy depends on good intentions.

However the hit-man debacle demonstrates quite neatly that good intentions are not worth shit. In the absence of a state to enforce property rights, the rich will create a state, i.e. hire hit-men. Otherwise, they won't be rich for long.
 
Mendo_K said:
AAnd theres a film in the pipeline already, yawn

A film about a guy sitting at his laptop for a few years will sure make for good viewing.
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How about if the film was really about the WoD rather than Ross Ulbricht? And that the Silk Road was merely a tale within a tale? And the film concentrated on the toxic effects of prohibition juxtaposed against the inevitability of people wanting to get high?

Then I'd be dreaming. Because 20th Century Fox won't make that. So is it worth writing it...?
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
How about if the film was really about the WoD rather than Ross Ulbricht? And that the Silk Road was merely a tale within a tale? And the film concentrated on the toxic effects of prohibition juxtaposed against the inevitability of people wanting to get high?

Then I'd be dreaming. Because 20th Century Fox won't make that. So is it worth writing it...?
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Thats what I thought exactly, they will try and appeal to the masses so make it some Hollywood blockbuster, Ross will be holed up in some cellar with 15 monitors with loud fast techno playing in the background, or something like that anyway. They have already got it wrong, they said that the website allowed people to hire assassins, so they are getting of to a good start.
 
knock said:
What he failed to grasp is that the state is essential to the operation of capitalism. Without a state, who will prevent the poor taking the wealth from the rich?
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Currently with a state , who's preventing the rich from taking the wealth of the poor.
One could even argue that in America there is no state, but a corporate entity that manipulates the free market and social policies to solely benefit it's wealthy subsidiaries.
 
knock said:
I understood you perfectly well. You didn't use the words "good intentions", I'm paraphrasing DPR's (excuse for) political philosophy.

His political stance is that of free market libertarianism, i.e. getting rid of the state but keeping wage-labour and the class system. He believes (believed?) that by eradicating the state and allowing the free market to operate unhindered, we will all be liberated, that there will be an end to the use of force, an end to violence. That's what I've gleaned from reading stuff he said.
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Kind of. From what I linked earlier in-thread:

DPR:
On the need for government:

“This may shock some of you to hear coming from me, but we absolutely NEED government, and good government at that. In fact, the services the current governments of the world monopolize or regulate are some of the most demanded and needed: security/defense, law, dispute resolution, education, healthcare, transportation, utilities, quality control etc.

The question I present to you is, do we want a single entity monopolizing the provision of all of these critical goods and services, or do we want a choice?” [9/29/2012]
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knock said:
What he failed to grasp is that the state is essential to the operation of capitalism.
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Rubbish. Just because crooks can steal from you or I, does not prevent us from trading among ourselves.

knock said:
Without a state, who will prevent the poor taking the wealth from the rich?
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The state participates in taking from the rich to give to the poor...

knock said:
DPR's claim is that physical force would be unnecessary.
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Where did you see this claim?



knock said:
However the hit-man debacle demonstrates quite neatly that good intentions are not worth shit.
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Or it demonstrates that his investigators are corrupt. Or that, given the circumstances, it was the best means to protect oneself and one's livelihood. I'm very eager to see the hits illuminated more because (obviously) it is the determining factor in how I view this kid.

knock said:
In the absence of a state to enforce property rights, the rich will create a state, i.e. hire hit-men. Otherwise, they won't be rich for long.
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Well, it's a good thing that, in modern-day america, the rich don't do such things. And it's fantastic that they aren't able to use an even more powerful tool to protect their interests at the expense of the citizenry, namely using our current government. It's great that that's not the case, because it would be very scary to think that those who would use force, are currently able to use the government to do their bidding.
/end sarcasm.
 
oldirtybizza said:
Currently with a state , who's preventing the rich from taking the wealth of the poor.
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[emphasis mine]

oldirtybizza said:
One could even argue that in America there is no state, but a corporate entity that manipulates the free market and social policies to solely benefit it's wealthy subsidiaries.
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This. It blows my mind how willfully ignorant of the current setup some can be.
 
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