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[NBOMe Subthread] Laying Blotter

^ Yes. It says that anyone who gives a drug to a friend is a supplier. So if you have ever tripped with someone else, either they were supplying or you were.
 
Anon0631 said:
^ Yes. It says that anyone who gives a drug to a friend is a supplier. So if you have ever tripped with someone else, either they were supplying or you were.
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Well that isn't commercial trading where I live and I'm pretty sure it is practically never punished as such in the USA either. I've never asked a dime from friends for the drugs I gave them (not for legal, but for ethical reasons). This is most certainly very unusual behaviour, but each one of us makes those choices for himself. I've also been a very avid user of psychedelics and have supplied many friends with trips, but have never seen any need to lay blotter... There are many ways to prepare dosages, blotter is clearly a street product though that is made to be passed through more than one hand.

We aren't really primarily talking about distribution here though, but about manufacture and I am pretty damn positive that laying blotter counts as such just about anywhere in the world.

The line is definitely blurring under certain circumstances, but don't pretend there is no line in the first place.
 
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^ In the UK, supply occurs even when the transaction is conducted without the exchange of money and seeing as German law is based on British law, I assume that the same is the case there.

You might consider blotter to be inappropriate way to distribute drugs to your friends but are you really suggesting that we impose your methods/values on others via censorship?
 
The distinction I'm drawing is between those who will be using the product themselves or with their friends, and therefore have a feeling of responsibility towards doing it correctly so that they don't get hurt, vs. those who are mainly interested in distributing the product to strangers for profit. The latter ones who pop up here asking the same basic questions over and over again are very frustrating to talk to because it's obvious that they can't be bothered to do a basic search to find the information they need, but expect to have their hand held by people here for the purposes of "harm reduction" (that is, reducing the harm they are about to inflict on their own customers because they can't figure out how to lay blotter properly, but they're still gonna do it anyway no matter how much we tell them not to).

Of course there are mass distributors who do care about their customers' safety and have enough patience and business sense to do the research to do things right. But they're not the problem here.

It's not true that individual users or those who are giving it out to friends NEED to have a blotter tek in order to do sublingual/buccal administration. Liquid measurement and cut-up pieces of paper towel have served me just fine. I wouldn't be so opposed to it if it wasn't that difficult to explain how to lay blotter correctly, but apparently it is given the discussion I've seen here about it (I've never tried myself). I just don't see that it's a good idea for the forum to take on the responsibility for providing this kind of information to ungrateful, greedy idiots, and to attract attention from more of the same.
 
For every ungrateful greedy idiot there's a kid who's holding 100mg of powder and wondering how to divide up the dose, there's a responsible dealer who cares greatly about her clients' well being and there's a psychonaut who wants to give presents to his friends. Who are any of us to say who's deserving of the information presented here and who's not?

Sure, tell someone to do a google search. I've done this myself plenty of times. But to actively remove HR information in order to punish the lazy ones? That's not moderation that's knee-jerk censorship and its what we are essentially here to counter - not to promote.

In addition at least one of the people calling for information to be removed is an LSD dealer. His crusade against NBOMes is entirely profit oriented. Are we now in the business of helping suppliers suppress information about competing products?
 
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^ lot's of time the people seeking out information via internet on how to "lay" blotter often ignore the fact you can dose in much simpler ways such as breaking down in a solvent and dropping it on individual blotter squares or sweet tarts etc. I wonder why these people ignore that method and insist on blotter... Clearly, many will do it to profit selling as LSD. If not then why go through the trouble of laying blotter? Many people get by, dosing Nbomes on candy or Individual squares. Blotter isn't really personal use considering you generally lay thousands of hits at a time. I would assist someone in double checking their math on the breakdown so they can then use individual blotter or candy. There is only one reason to put a potent psychedelic on blotter paper....

I personally wouldn't instruct someone via internet on how to lay blotter even if they had LSD. That is dipping into an illegal aspect of drugs I don't feel comfortable sharing with people I don't know. That is a personal choice.
I also don't want to play a role in the increase of Nbome substances being sold as LSD. While YES, there certainly is a part of me that believes a safe tek on how to lay blotter would be a positive thing. But, at the same time it will be used for negative purposes by some. It just get's too close to the manufacturing process of drugs imo.

If you are referring to me when you say "a members crusade against NBOMe " I will ask you to actually take the time and read my posts without pointing your finger, as you clearly missed the point. I have no problem with NBOMe or other drugs for that matter. I would be willing to take various NBOMe type drugs and have friends who bought some and use it occasionally. I haven't gotten around to ingesting any psychedelic except mescaline hcl and LSD this year as I have been taking a break due to health.

What I do have a problem with is, people not being truthful and selling NBOMe as LSD. This opinion carries on to ANY drug that gets passed of as something else. Whether it is methylone being sold as MDMA, DOx as LSD, so on and so forth.

Money would have very little to do with any opinion of mine considering i don't sell ANY drugs and have a job lmao. So, I will ask you to refrain from the assumptions and finger pointing. You obviously don't know what your talking about with these assumptions. I do give medical marijuana to terminal and severe chronic patients of mine but that is clearly free and not profit oriented. If you are not referring to me I am sorry for jumping to conclusions. But, you frequently like to point your finger at my posts.
 
I wasn't actually referring to you. I was referring to one of the less articulate members of our community. As for frequently pointing a finger at your posts, I've only noticed you before on one other thread - sorry to disappoint.

A cursory glance at a popular marketplace that many of us use will show hundreds of listings for NBOMe blotters. Many of these actually have the letters 'NBOMe' printed on them. This in itself is enough to disprove the hypothesis that the only reason to lay NBOMe blotter is to pass off as acid. In addition there's dozens of threads on this forum dedicated to people who are intentionally taking NBOMes because they want to experience NBOMes, not because they believe its acid.

Here are reasons why people might want to lay a sheet of NBOMe blotter:

1) it's portable
2) it's concealable
3) if done properly, it's the most efficient consistent and safe method of administration.
4) it can be printed with fun artwork
5) it can be printed with substance and dose information
Etc, etc

Your entire argument revolves around the assumption that LSD has the rightful monopoly on paper dose units. But there's just no reason why this should be the case. You might see conspiracy everywhere when you see people distributing other drugs on blotter, I see utility.

Basically, don't fight the concept of NBOMe blotters, fight the arseholes who pass it off as acid. I personally have never actually seen this occur but I'm aware that we don't move in the same kind of circles or live in the same geographical location. I'm not doubting that there are people who do distribute NBOMes to younger people under the guise of acid though why anyone would think this is a good idea is beyond me seeing as acid is orally active.

And now for the important point: I would prefer if people had easy access to well made and accurately labeled NBOMe products on blotter because then they wouldn't have to handle raw powder which is potentially lethal.

EDIT: Oh. I believe one of the censored posts was actually encouraging people to label blotters with substance and dose. Now it's no longer viewable by the public. How's that for HR?
 
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Anon0631 said:
I think a lot of people here are drawing a sharp distinction between 'users' and 'dealers'. Actually it's just one big fuzzy continuum with most of us falling into a grey area.
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Politely speaking I don't wanna get the good old Anon worked up, but what is the point when you only need a few tabs for personals if someone is buying 100mg that is either for dealing or consuming too much if you need to know how to lay nbome its probably for dealing or way to heavy personal use wouldn't you agree?


Anon0631 said:
I wasn't actually referring to you. I was referring to one of the less articulate members of our community.
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Come on, get off your high horse and back down here with the rest of us, you still haven't replied to my PM after your total rude personal message to me. Your a knowledgeable guy don't brag about it, lets all work together here.

Obviously there is a team HATE Nbome, and team WE EXCEPT NBOME, we bicker all the time here lets just get down to the facts.

Anon maybe Nbome doesn't effect the UK like it hurts our your here in the USA, Im not saying other tryptamine's don't but some of us just see this as madness.

Take my words politely not trying to bicker.
 
Anon0631 said:
For every ungrateful greedy idiot there's a kid who's holding 100mg of powder and wondering how to divide up the dose, there's a responsible dealer who cares greatly about her clients' well being and there's a psychonaut who wants to give presents to his friends. Who are any of us to say who's deserving of the information presented here and who's not?

Sure, tell someone to do a google search. I've done this myself plenty of times. But to actively remove HR information in order to punish the lazy ones? That's not moderation that's knee-jerk censorship and its what we are essentially here to counter - not to promote.

In addition at least one of the people calling for information to be removed is an LSD dealer. His crusade against NBOMes is entirely profit oriented. Are we now in the business of helping suppliers suppress information about competing products?
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Maybe you're right. I just don't get why the kids with their 100mg bags of powder think they HAVE to lay an entire sheet of blotter all at once for individual dosing, when liquid measurement of a single dose onto any absorbent carrier material works just fine. It's reliable and very easy to do at home, and since you're only doing a single dose at once you don't have to worry about things drying unevenly or whatever. If you wanted to do multiple doses at the same time you could use an ice cube tray or something to keep things separated as they dry.

It just seems like we should be encouraging simple methods that have little chance for failure for inexperienced users. If it wasn't so complicated to lay a sheet of blotter and have the doses come out consistent, then it wouldn't be as much of a problem to have that information here. I don't care so much about whether people are going to profit from it or not, what I care about is not attracting more of the kind of newbie posters who are too ignorant and impatient to contribute any useful discussion here - though the greed is a factor somewhat since it seems to contribute to their impatience and their sense of entitlement. It's frustrating to try to get anything through to them and they bring down the signal-to-noise ratio of the forum.

I feel like I'm probably on the losing end of this argument though. :/
 
Oh c'mon Anon. Yes NBOMes are sold as NBOMes, but you can't deny that a huge part of NBOMes are sold as LSD.

Not that the information should be unavailable IMO, but NBOMes being passed off as LSD is a problem and should definitely be taken in to consideration for the future of this thread
 
kidklmx said:
Oh c'mon Anon. Yes NBOMes are sold as NBOMes, but you can't deny that a huge part of NBOMes are sold as LSD.

Not that the information should be unavailable IMO, but NBOMes being passed off as LSD is a problem and should definitely be taken in to consideration for the future of this thread
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So attack the people passing it off as LSD, not the drug itself or the method of administration.

zn13bt said:
It just seems like we should be encouraging simple methods that have little chance for failure for inexperienced users. If it wasn't so complicated to lay a sheet of blotter and have the doses come out consistent, then it wouldn't be as much of a problem to have that information here. I don't care so much about whether people are going to profit from it or not, what I care about is not attracting more of the kind of newbie posters who are too ignorant and impatient to contribute any useful discussion here - though the greed is a factor somewhat since it seems to contribute to their impatience and their sense of entitlement. It's frustrating to try to get anything through to them and they bring down the signal-to-noise ratio of the forum.
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Dosing with liquid is more risky, less portable and less consistent. There's at least one member of this forum who accidentally dispensed an order of magnitude more liquid than he planned through a micropipette and ended up in hospital. Then there's the case in New Orleans where an unknown amount of liquid was dropped into some poor bastards nose.

If a sheet of blotter is well laid (and I know from experience that its not difficult to do), then once one dose is tested, all can be considered to be similar. They are easy to store, easy to dispense and less likely to degrade or be dumped due to bacterial infection.

100% of your objections can be met by adding one simple instruction to a blotter laying tek. Label each square with substance and dose. Then nobody down the line will ever be able to pass off the blotters you laid as LSD.
 
^ I wasn't saying dose the liquid directly, I was saying drop the dose onto a piece of paper or something else absorbent and let it dry.
 
^ Or soak the whole fucking lot on paper and let the whole lot dry and then you don't need to worry about measuring the same amount of liquid a second third and fourth time while it might have concentrated via evaporation, lost potency through degradation or become infected with clostridium bacteria and been metabolised into who the fuck knows what.
 
If it's supposedly so simple to do, then why do people have to keep asking how to do it?
 
Because they don't know how, when done wrong it's dangerous and while the information is available, it's not on every major drug site.

Also, people don't research things
 
And because people spend their lives being trained to require an authority to tell them what to do. This is why many of us take psychedelics, right? To break that pattern.
 
Anon0631 said:
I wasn't actually referring to you. I was referring to one of the less articulate members of our community. As for frequently pointing a finger at your posts, I've only noticed you before on one other thread - sorry to disappoint.

A cursory glance at a popular marketplace that many of us use will show hundreds of listings for NBOMe blotters. Many of these actually have the letters 'NBOMe' printed on them. This in itself is enough to disprove the hypothesis that the only reason to lay NBOMe blotter is to pass off as acid. In addition there's dozens of threads on this forum dedicated to people who are intentionally taking NBOMes because they want to experience NBOMes, not because they believe its acid.

Here are reasons why people might want to lay a sheet of NBOMe blotter:

1) it's portable
2) it's concealable
3) if done properly, it's the most efficient consistent and safe method of administration.
4) it can be printed with fun artwork
5) it can be printed with substance and dose information
Etc, etc

Your entire argument revolves around the assumption that LSD has the rightful monopoly on paper dose units. But there's just no reason why this should be the case. You might see conspiracy everywhere when you see people distributing other drugs on blotter, I see utility.

Basically, don't fight the concept of NBOMe blotters, fight the arseholes who pass it off as acid. I personally have never actually seen this occur but I'm aware that we don't move in the same kind of circles or live in the same geographical location. I'm not doubting that there are people who do distribute NBOMes to younger people under the guise of acid though why anyone would think this is a good idea is beyond me seeing as acid is orally active.

And now for the important point: I would prefer if people had easy access to well made and accurately labeled NBOMe products on blotter because then they wouldn't have to handle raw powder which is potentially lethal.

EDIT: Oh. I believe one of the censored posts was actually encouraging people to label blotters with substance and dose. Now it's no longer viewable by the public. How's that for HR?
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That's fine, I am sorry for the assumption. I realize many posts in the thread were removed and I honestly didn't see anyone extremely anti "Nbome" Except, the thread started with another member calling me out for being "anti nbome" though we cleared it up.

One thing I haven't taken into consideration until now is your location. Our drug markets are very different especially, LSD. I don't know how common Nbome and other substances get pass off as LSD. But, here it is common and only getting worse with the availability of NBOMe type drugs. I absolutely respect ALL the vendors putting out paper labeled with the drug every 4 squares and the molecule on the back. That is the right thing to do. If this is what the user is planning then they should probably buy pre laid blotter labeled and all.

But, in reality I don't believe people looking on BL to lay paper are planning on doing that. Writing it doesn't work it will smudge most likely once laid and printing may work depending on the printer. Although, I don't see that happening. Most threads I have seen on forums have been people unsure on how to work the substance they have and they generally have A LOT to work with. I don't see that being personal use or i would be a little more willing to share my experience breaking down potent substances and transferring onto a paper, gel, pressed mediums. I just see this from the other side and sadly it leans more negative. I personally don't want to be influencing that. Not to mention I prefer not to discuss most of those matters via internet for anyone to read.

As for sheets of NBOMe....

If the case is for personal use then the user should have zero problems dosing individual blotters via an reliable dropping device (lab grade micropipette etc). The occasions mentioned of overdosing is most likely due to the user or who ever is doing the dosings negligence. If you are using a reliable dropping device and dropping onto individual mediums I can't imagine a problem taking place. You would notice an extreme dose of liquid land on the medium. Dosing directly into the mouth, nose etc. is much more dangerous and unreliable for safe dosing of this substance. As for the fact paper is concealable so is all the other mediums.
There is no way to address the people selling it as LSD. Except, not assisting those people transfer it to paper. If it is truly for personal consumption the other alternative dosing mediums will work. So will paper but just drop onto individual squares.

Yes, blotter is fairly easy to lay. Some people, make an error with the soak the first time. But, it can generally be corrected if someone who has experience is there. Generally, the error is the page didn't absorb in all areas completely. (dryspots etC) Though, as I said it could be corrected. Other than that if the actual breaking down of the powder to liquid(dilution ratio), there shouldn't be any problems. But, then again it brings back the point of, if they user doesn't know how to break down the substance safely they have no business working with it. Someone that can safely do it, will do so with out asking a forum first.
 
I have two blotters of 25i that should be 1mg each. I am supposed to review them. I want to dose with my girl, but scheduling is making that a thing for the future, not now. How can I safely ensure that the 2mg on the blotter are divided into a dose of 1mg (for me to test tonite) and then two 1/2mg doses for a future fun nite with her? All this talk of dry-spots and whatnot has me nervous... imagine if one of us gets 800mics and the other 200mics? I don't know who would have it worse; the NBOMe'ing with guilt one or the sober and jealous one. This brings up an important point, I don't drive and am missing everything from fat up on my lower left leg. Dating a cripple has strained my girl and mine's relationship; & I can't just hop down to the hardware store for extraction supplies.

In the past, with 25b&c, we would cut the blotter into four pieces and each pick two. That was when we were taking 1.5 hits each. I owe the blotter supplier a prompt review... but don't want to risk disappointment for my girl when we dose. She wouldn't end things over it... but it wouldn't help me in my quest to prove dating a crippled junkie isn't the lamest thing short of dating someone in a coma or on deathrow for raping&murdering handicapped kids.

Hope someone has a good idea for me soon. She's excited so much for the chance to try the 25i (she loved the b&c, which just made me talk more and hate work less); but I got these hits for free with the understanding that I would review them in a few days time...

Peace&Love,
-f.xy
 
I may just be a greenlighter, but hear me out. The real question is whether or not you think talking about laying blotter will encourage anyone to do it who would not have done it otherwise. I think everyone can agree that if you're going to lay tabs, you should know what you're doing, especially with chemicals like the NBOMe series. So for those people, the manufacture is already in progress and talking about how to properly do it truly is harm reduction. The issue of people selling the tabs as acid or anything else does not matter because anyone can sell one thing as something else and people will buy it. For example, always remember this man who did 28mgs of powdered 25I because it was sold to him as oxycontin.

So the base of the problem is people who wouldn't have laid tabs who now would as a result of this discussion. In my opinion, for the distributors side, laying tabs is actually one of the more difficult ways to prepare doses considering the inaccuracy of the volume of a drop, having the sheet dry unevenly, and all those other reasons. If anything, the recipe the cr00k gives on the first page is the way I would do it for mass distribution. I mean it seems pretty simple. For the consumer side, tabs are likely to be much more easily taken and concealed, certainly less dangerous than raw chemical, and probably won't taste as awful as NBOMe candy.

Do I think this information should be availble? Maybe not, but I certainly don't think it should be unavailable. I'm against censorship in general. But in this case, if the information stops even one person from overdosing on NBOMe from incorrectly made tabs or handling the raw powder or whatever else, then this information was worth it.
 
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