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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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lol at the product despcription for the lean stuff. i like it tho... EDIT: btw the hood store by me sells em for a couple bucks each and some change. thats how i can afford them, other wise i couldnt.

trust me id take a script for some benzos for sleep anyday of the week, that wouldnt cost me nuthin. just cant seem to squeeze them out of the dr quite yet. she is supposed to give me one this week, we shall see if she is full of it or not.
 
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This is also not true. My doctor tested the levels every time for patient (at least he says he does), and many drs have started doing this. It is to make sure you are taking the prescribed dose and not diverting the medication for stock piling or selling.
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I figured this was the case.. Ive read that the bioavailability is not a set amount, might differ from person to person, or may depend on how long you leave the sub under your tounge. Is this true?

I should be okay though. Even if these reasons are not acceptable I have a few other ideas. :\

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Will my levels be right if I just take my prescribed dose the day before, or day of, my meeting with the doc? (seems reasonable enough)

thanks
 
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Your doctors actually look at the test results?? I only had one really look at it and he just wanted to confirm bup was in there. Not sure how they can check your levels thru a urine test but that would suck. Everyone has such different experience with sub doctors. They really have no clue what to do with patients and just trying to get paid.
 
Oh man I made a big mistake and looked at my xrays yesterday. These are from a trauma incident where I was shot in the thigh at close range and shattered my femur/hip/flexors. I had these pics for over 2 years and couldn't bring myself to look. Its a mess inside my leg. The first xray pre op is freakin insane lol. Somehow they piece it together with ti hardware and alot of it. After seeing the pics I want to go back on pain meds soo bad. Trying hard not to go thru this whole process again with high pain med tolerance then inevidibly ending back on subs. Its an every day struggle, maybe should put these xrays away but can't get that image out of my head now. Any doctor would look at them and throw meds at me.
 
Does anyone else get a different generic from time to time? I do not know much about scripts, luckily havent needed many. If I prefer a certain form of sub can I request that I get that one everytime?

I noticed there are these arrow 8 pills that are tiny. I guess the size makes me consider shooting em, which Ive always considered off-limits/not a good idea with the risks involved.
 
^Shooting subs is pretty pointless IMO unless you're desperate and need to stretch a small amount over a long period of time...Even then, not sure I'd wanna go through the trouble of doing it. I've shot Suboxone and Subutex and it never really did anything noticeable...Of course, I was either maintained on it or switching back and forth between heroin and bupe at the time...

If you weren't physically addicted or if you had a low tolerance to opioids/ates, IVing them might do a little more for you, but from everything I've heard, the only benefit of Iving them is the higher bioavailability, which is about 3x higher than using them sublingually, afaik.

I don't shoot them, and I've been Iving my drugs for a long time...I don't really even remember what snorting things is like, and the few times I have snorted things in the last 5 years, I couldn't stand the feeling of snorting powder into my nose, which is something I also used to love.
 
Yea, I have refused to shoot em myself, was just saying those particular pills looked enticing (just based on size I guess) There must be a lot less crap in them. Ive only shot a pill once in my life actually and that was like 4.5 years ago.


Oh..snorting the generic subutex isnt that bad, those arrow 8 ones might even taste alright.
100x better than the n8 subs thats for sure, i couldnt snort those.
 
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^Yeah, I knew that was your thing!:D At the rate that my girlfriend is going through my script, I might be in the same boat in a few weeks!
 
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^Yeah, I knew that was your thing!:D At the rate that my girlfriend is going through my script, I might be in the same boat in a few weeks!
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You know, I've met some people recently who are not quite sure why I'm using buprenorphine, so I have had to explain to them how I was addicted to heroin, etc., and some of them simply can't wrap their minds around the idea of what an opiate addiction is/is like/why people do it to themselves. These people normally have a different "thing", whether it be cannabis/its extracts, or drinking, or meth, whatever it may be, they haven't been introduced to opiate addiction and I surely am the one to warn them never to venture into that "mindspace" so to speak.

So I've come to the realization that I've done a superb job on distancing myself from heroin and heroin users. My last friend is making attempts at staying clean (they quit! I'm so proud of them!), and they weren't within walking distance of me anyways.

So this makes me think that this is my opporutnity to do it, to get off of Suboxone. I knew I was going to need some time on it, not sure how long, but if I had to guess, I'm thinking that now is the time to taper off.

I was using 250-320 mcg per shot (for another reason other than pain relief; hard to explain), and I instantly cut down to 107 mcg, as well as reducing the number of dosages. This was quite bizarre but... I didn't have major withdrawal symptoms. I might have slept in an extra day here or there, I might have been a bit fatigued, but it wasn't anything to me. Now I'm at 107mcg per dosage, trying to get down to 80 mcg, and it's once again proving a bit difficult. I'm not sure why. I think it has to do with knowing that the withdrawals are going to be coming full force if I discontinue entirely, it might have to do with not wanting to let go of the needle (which is hard for some of us to do, I know).. but I'm thinking it's the withdrawal phobia, not so much not wanting to let go of the needle. I can still IV/IM other drugs, I'm still going to be using IM cyanocobalamin, so I have this conscious knowledge that I can let go of the drug before I do the needle, but it's still like, hard for me to be accepting that now is the time to quit buprenorphine.

I've also tried to go back to IM buprenorphine, which works very well for me time to time. I just still IV it when I'm feeling the worst, and IM it when I'm feeling a longer duration without the quicker onset (especially the last dosage before sleep; helps so that I don't wake up in semi-WD's, just to use the bathroom, on an every-other hour basis).

I have plenty of everything else I should be doing/attending to/embracing in life, so this really is the best time to attempt a quit for me.

Any advice/tips from the people who have been on Suboxone for multiple years is appreciated. Any positive words from anyone is always welcome. <3
 
I know what you mean about opiate ignorance/intolerance. Even doctors/pharmacies think your just another junkie using subs. No clue there are million diff scenarios that result in sub use. People like to bad mouth dope users while they taking speed or drinking everyday. Its one substance or another, why does dope have such a stigma attatched to it. I was on sub tabs for 4 years after 15 years of all opiate use, some legit injury some not. I love opiates shoot me lol. Recently I was forced on the films and they really sucked for me. I was sniffing tablets for years so that transition to films itself was tough. After few months I noticed the films were kind of laim and a waste of time, money. They made it alot easier to taper. I went to 0.5 mg per day for a week then jumpoff. It took a couple weeks but now feel way better and wds are gone. The horror stories of sub wds are exagerated but still exist if you jump to early. I tried this before on tablets and was unsuccessful. If you really want off for real switch to films. They are weak and harder to abuse. Shooting them is part of an old habbit, you need to take care of that before tapering. Easier said than done and I wish you all the best. If I can do it you can too. Still get cravings, its every day struggle but over time you will heal from inside out.
 
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I too noticed recently that if I take 1 mg Subutex (dissolved in vodka, q-tip cotton, sublingual) before bed time, I sleep so much better...
Wish I had some words of encouragement but I am pretty much in the same boat "w/ a single oar"
 
Since we're on the subject of tapering... I have a question I hope someone can help with.

I've been on subs for 6 years and I've finally decided to quit, for sure. I've been removed from people who use for 5 years and have had two kids in 2 years and am in a very different place in life than I was 6 years ago. I have two adorable reasons to get out of bed every day. I'm working full time but have decided I want to stay home with my kids if possible, which means minimizing extra expenses and meds are a huge one.

For the last 2 years I've been taking between 8 - 12mg/day, occasionally 16. I told my doc I want to go as slowly as possible to minimize discomfort. He estimated it would take around 10 months to do a super slow taper, which is fine. He also mentioned that because smaller doses have a stronger effect on the brain, I may want to consider just jumping off at 8mg. I understand that has to do with the less-is-more idea, but wondering how the W/D compares in terms of intensity & length of symptoms to going down to micro doses? Also if that's the case I could start now, since I only need 8mg most days. If I do that, would I take strictly 8mg and no more for a couple weeks, then start every other day for a couple weeks, then just stop?

Any experiences jumping off from 8mg after long-term use would be great!
 
Sounds like another Dr. that gave up researching buprenorphine the day after he acquired his license...
sorry, doesnt sound like a good plan.

Edit: Try splitting your 8 mg dose into 4, twice daily, once you feel comfortable, it is pretty easy to go down to 4 mg's, thats when "tapering" comes into play, It is unlikely that the effects of 2mg's or less are going to be "stronger" given the amount you've been taking, it will just start throwing you into w/d's. Your receptors need to be replenished naturaly before 1-2 mg's feels "stronger"

You do not wanna jump off @ 8 mg's let alone 2-3...
 
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ellua said:
Since we're on the subject of tapering... I have a question I hope someone can help with.

I've been on subs for 6 years and I've finally decided to quit, for sure. I've been removed from people who use for 5 years and have had two kids in 2 years and am in a very different place in life than I was 6 years ago. I have two adorable reasons to get out of bed every day. I'm working full time but have decided I want to stay home with my kids if possible, which means minimizing extra expenses and meds are a huge one.

For the last 2 years I've been taking between 8 - 12mg/day, occasionally 16. I told my doc I want to go as slowly as possible to minimize discomfort. He estimated it would take around 10 months to do a super slow taper, which is fine. He also mentioned that because smaller doses have a stronger effect on the brain, I may want to consider just jumping off at 8mg. I understand that has to do with the less-is-more idea, but wondering how the W/D compares in terms of intensity & length of symptoms to going down to micro doses? Also if that's the case I could start now, since I only need 8mg most days. If I do that, would I take strictly 8mg and no more for a couple weeks, then start every other day for a couple weeks, then just stop?

Any experiences jumping off from 8mg after long-term use would be great!
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10 months? That sounds crazy. Bupe isn't like methadone where you have to do an incredibly slow taper and every milligram matters.

The majority of people find virtually no difference once stabilized on bupe going from a dose of 8mg's + down to 4. If I were you, I'd try cutting your dose in half one day and see how you feel. You'll probably be surprised how easy it was on you.

The real problem with tapering off bupe comes from getting down past 4 and 2mg's.
 
Ya I agree 8mg jump going to be bad news for you. 10months is a really long benzo type of taper. I went from 8mg to 0.5 in 3 weeks then 0.5 the last week and off. First week off you feel mild wds compared to real opiates. Get as low as possible and try skipping doses. Bup hangs around for 2 days on your receptors. 1-2 months is a slow taper. Jumping off to high will increase wds strenth and make them last longer. Try switching to films to really taper off. Those are easy to cutt down and make quitting alot easier.
 
Moron that I am, I was stabilized on 2mg of suboxone a day, but for some reason I started taking 2mg twice a day out of sheer boredom...then, this past week I've been taking 2 mg every 8-12 hours....

I'm the guy who's always preaching the "less is more" philosophy and I actually feel it more when I take only 2 mg a day! Just goes to show how when you wanna catch even a little buzz, you'll do things that you KNOW won't even work!
 
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