Some people describe a tolerance to subs over long period of high dosing. I never had any problem like this with the tablets. The films were 1/4 the strength of a normal 8x2mg tab for me. Maybe try the tabs before you end up increasing your dose to high levels. For example I took 2mg tablets for 2.5 years. The last half year I was forced to the films and my dose went up to 6-8 mg. Never took that much of the tabs. Few other people on here agree the films are extremely weak compared to the tablets.
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i just started taking my sub films the past couple days. ive been feeling like they wear off quicker than i remember from past experiences. people say both ways about which one is stronger, films or tabs. im not so sure that would be the difference but who knows maybe.
ive been experiencing a bit of dysphoria this time around making the switch tho... it sucks. i remember enjoying bupe alot more.
ive been experiencing a bit of dysphoria this time around making the switch tho... it sucks. i remember enjoying bupe alot more.
Ya I noticed the same, films wear off fast, come on weak, and even high doses don't work. I think they need a new method or production. 8mg film should be 8mg tablet equal. From my experience the films are far weaker. The only good part about it, the weakness will make tapering easy and quitting. Going from tabs to films I felt worse than when I stopped the films. They argue too many children are eating sub tablets because they look like candy. Thats bs because when you injest subs 95% of it is lost. Still never heard of actual case of child eating a sub tab. They too expensive, no parent leaving them wide open. The films have individual packaging which by itself costs more than a tablets. I think theres alot more to it. Like when your on subs too long they switch you to the films.
Do you guys sleep better on a higher dose or a lower dose? I am supposed to take 16mg a day but I rarely take 8 (usually 2-8mg)
Thing is, I cant sleep for more than an hour or 2 at a time. I remember a while ago when I would cycle dope and suboxone I would usually sleep almost 12 hours on the days I took sub. I was taking at least 4mg of sub then (the N8 subs), sometimes up to 16mg.(sublingual)
Also, does anyone take the 8mg generic roxane subutex? Some people have posted that these felt weaker then the Teva generics. They seem to have a lesser effect on me then the N8 suboxone pills.
Thing is, I cant sleep for more than an hour or 2 at a time. I remember a while ago when I would cycle dope and suboxone I would usually sleep almost 12 hours on the days I took sub. I was taking at least 4mg of sub then (the N8 subs), sometimes up to 16mg.(sublingual)
Also, does anyone take the 8mg generic roxane subutex? Some people have posted that these felt weaker then the Teva generics. They seem to have a lesser effect on me then the N8 suboxone pills.
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16mg is pretty high, some might say overkill. Your receptors are 99% full at 8-10mg of subs. Still not sure where these doctors are coming from who are not aware of that fact. I would lower the dose and stock up on the extras. Sleep with sub/benzo mix is real easy and deep. That mix itself is addictive and hard to break. Subs would make me sleepy at night time but its diff for everyone. Some people get energy off subs. Your sleep should improve in time.
My script is for 16mg, I rarely even take a full 8mg tho. I break the 8mg into 4 pieces and take it when needed (usually 12 hours apart, sometimes 6)
A asked because some people (who said they felt energetic at 4-8mg) said they got sleepy or even noded on doses of 16mg+.
I was thinking maybe I should take more and see if it put me to sleep but I don't want to waste any.
Benzos are the one drug that will get you an instant boot from the sub program I'm in. If you relapse on heroin or other drugs they will work with you, but not benzos.
A asked because some people (who said they felt energetic at 4-8mg) said they got sleepy or even noded on doses of 16mg+.
I was thinking maybe I should take more and see if it put me to sleep but I don't want to waste any.
Benzos are the one drug that will get you an instant boot from the sub program I'm in. If you relapse on heroin or other drugs they will work with you, but not benzos.
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You sound kinda like me.. At least a bit.. Was prescribed 16mg for the first 2 months, but never ended up taking more than 4-6mg a day (quarter or half in morning and evening).. Then I ran into problem of muscles aching and feeling "WD" type symptons in morning.. RLS, stiff or aching legs/back, and Dr. said that its great that I am taking less than prescribed, but that might be my problem.. Let the medicine do its job, take a half instead of a quarter of a strip.. Or, take 3/4 of a strip instead of a 1/2, etc.. I remember problems sleeping off and on, mainly from getting off of opiates and on Suboxone, etc, but it all passes with time.. I would keep taking Subs how you are, but try OTC Benadryl and Melatonin.. In morning, Subs make the aching/pain go away and give me energy, at night, seem to make me tired, if anything.. I think it's all in your mindset/environment.. I can't take benzos/smoke weed/other drugs like everyone suggests either, lol.. It wouldn't hurt to try a tad more Suboxone at night, but I think you're on the right track by taking it hoe you are. Try Melatonin (weak, natural, rehabs suggest it) and Benadryl worked wonders for me... Routine/schedule is the best thing for sleep to me.. Can't remember the last time I had trouble sleeping..
Oh I got you, they strict about benzos. Every clinic run it different, its really interesting and frustrating sometimes. Melatonin doesn't put you out but will keep you sleeping if you can make it there. When I first started subs had trouble sleeping also. My doctor took piss test and I failed half of them but he never said a word. I don't think he even looked at results, moron dr. If you can do this without benzos thats awesome and going to make your life alot easier. Over months/years your system gets used to the subs and you will get real sleepy even nod sometimes. Just give it time like they saying. I was nervous about getting in trouble for taking xans with subs so would stop the xans 3-4 days before visit. They have short halflife and wash out pretty quick compared to clons or diaz. Def not recomending you do this but sleep is crutial. Benadryl works for me but only 2 hours of sleep max. My girl takes 2 bens and out all night lol, I wish. Heard about this one called 5 HTP thats supposed to help with sleep and its OTC but expensive. Smoking weed keeps me awake all night. Not sure how people pass out, must be some couch lock herb. Weed tripples blood preasure and a stimulant like coffe strength. Everyone have their own methods but it sucks not sleeping. I been awake for 7-8 days before after surgery. Reading thats really bad for you, not sure how I made it thru that one. The best is deep natural sleep like when you were young. Trying to get back to that but easier said than done.
Most clinics/doctors allow lunesta or ambien use with subs if you tell them haven't slept in days.
Most clinics/doctors allow lunesta or ambien use with subs if you tell them haven't slept in days.
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just last night i couldnt sleep... i had this issue before with subs as well. same as you. used to get more sleep than usual when on subs. 12mg back then, 8 in the morning 4 after dinner. that was before i knew as much about bupe. i ended up having sleep issues that run, but it took a while. what would happen is that i couldnt goto bed early enough. i was staying up for like 18+ hours a day and had school. i couldnt EVER get to bed as early as i needed. my sub doctor told me to quit taking my 4 mg night time dose as late as i was
and yes i went from the N8 tabs to roxane subutex after my first month with that doctor. i didnt notice a big difference, but i was suspicious of them being slightly less potent.
now im prescribed 16mg a day, but i try and stay under 8mg. like yesterday i had about 6mg, but broken into seperate doses, the latest one taken around 7 pm. well i couldnt sleep for shit, i slept maybe 5 hours last night. so today i took 6mg all at once in the morning, hoping tonite ill sleep better. so how are u taking yours? all at once in the morning?
i see your post about taking as needed. that may be your problem, accroding to my old sub dr anyways. try taking it earlier and all at once for the day. see if that helps...
id stay away from benzo's if u can help it. i almost(or possibly did) give myself a bit of w/d from benzos recently. u think u cant sleep now? hah! benzo w/d is a bitch.
one good thing i use... a "supplement" beverage called "lean". there are imitations, such as one called "drank" the lean is the best/strongest tho. it has melatonin, valerian root, rose hips, acai berry extract, and 100% DV of 4 B vitamins. it helps me fall asleep when i need it, and honestly it works fairly good, no bad hangover or nothing.
google "lean slow motion potion"
i get hangovers from taking diphenhydramine(benadryl) so i try to stay away from that, but it works for some folks. and its cheap.
appreciate the responses guys, thanks.
I just started taking these last week. My first day I took 12mgs(sublingual) cause 8mgs didnt cure all the withdrawal symptoms. Since then I have been snortn 2-8mg, 1-3 times throughtout the day. Usually either 6am/12pm/8pm or 6am/6pm. It depends on how I am feeling. I take sub for depression/anxiety as well as WD's.
I was curious if it was too much sub causing the sleeping problems, or not enough sub, and the insomnia from withdrawal was still effecting me. Im basically sleeping the same way I would in withdrawal, although a little better. Outside of the sleep issue I feel pretty good, no other w/d symptoms really.
Im gonna try just dosing once in the morn from now on, see if that helps.
thanks again.
I just started taking these last week. My first day I took 12mgs(sublingual) cause 8mgs didnt cure all the withdrawal symptoms. Since then I have been snortn 2-8mg, 1-3 times throughtout the day. Usually either 6am/12pm/8pm or 6am/6pm. It depends on how I am feeling. I take sub for depression/anxiety as well as WD's.
I was curious if it was too much sub causing the sleeping problems, or not enough sub, and the insomnia from withdrawal was still effecting me. Im basically sleeping the same way I would in withdrawal, although a little better. Outside of the sleep issue I feel pretty good, no other w/d symptoms really.
Im gonna try just dosing once in the morn from now on, see if that helps.
thanks again.
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You're making me remember worse times, that's for sure.. I think when I first started taking Suboxone, I attributed my lack-of-sleep to the opiate W/Ds.. Almost the same sleep as in cold-turkey withdrawals, but felt great instead of shitty.. I think it lasted a little under 2 weeks.. Maybe 1 full week.. Just tried to stay busy with school, work, and not try to just lay there all day or nap.. Then, by 8:00 or 9:00, would literally pray that I would be able to sleep, and downed a cocktail of Benedryl, Melatonin, NyQuil, WHATEVER, and hope it would work.. One day it did, and knock on wood, but I haven't looked back since!! Hope you get to sleeping better.. No Sleep makes every negative-effect seem way worse, in my experience.
Sleep changes your whole situation when wding or inducing subs. First the subs took away my horrible wds but sleep wasnt happening. It may take awhile but you'll get used to the subs and sleep will get better. The benzo/sub mix is amazing sleep but opens a whole new problem, now you addicted to the mix itself.
Unless your Dr has a good reason to suspect that you are abusing your sub-scription *giggles at own pun* *sorry I'm a tad stoned* then no, he will not test the levels in your blood.
He will DEFINITELY not use blood to test for alcohol. If you are not supposed to be drinking he may give you a breathalyzer, though.
When I get my methadone and Valium they always breathalyze me despite the fact that I am 9 months sober (exactly 9 months sober today, actually) and don't even use mouthwash if it has alcohol in.
He will DEFINITELY not use blood to test for alcohol. If you are not supposed to be drinking he may give you a breathalyzer, though.
When I get my methadone and Valium they always breathalyze me despite the fact that I am 9 months sober (exactly 9 months sober today, actually) and don't even use mouthwash if it has alcohol in.
I guess im reverse abusing my script. I was somewhat afraid that if my levels were not high enough he would lower my doses, which would suck. Im trying to store up on em.
Yea, Its a urine screen, not a blood test, I dont have to worry about breathalyzer. I didnt know if they did that etg screen or whatever it is..
Im hopeful I can convince this doc that valium will really help me. Its difficult for a supposed 'drug addict' to get script for benzos IME.
Urine tests will show up literally every drug, but not the type. For example "opiates" but not if it's heroin, fentanyl, oxy or "benzos" but not whether it's valium, etizolam or xanax (although the CAN find out they very rarely do).
Alcohol will not show up in a urine test
Subs will, but not the amount.
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exactly, its what im doing as well. just last night i finally stuck to one dose in the morning. i got a little more sleep that way. ill see again tonite if it seems to help, as im doing the same.
you look up those "lean" things i mentioned?? i love em. valerian, melatonin, rose hips, acai, b vitamins all potentially helpful. just wish they werent as expensive as energy drinks. lol
and yeah i agree no sleep makes everything worse. makes all the random w/d symptoms seem to come out worse.
benzos help until you quit taking them... then u really cant sleep. ugh thats one of my issues right now as well really so i geuss im kinda makin it worse.
i hate drinking while on subs... headaches galore.
lol is it this drink that is like $50/case? If so, I can't afford that thing.
"LEAN Slow Motion Potion is the premium, most potent relaxation drink that causes sippas of all ages to chill out, especially during times of high stress. This special formulation was developed by a registered pharmacist that knows what the streets demand. LEAN is a safe combination of pharmaceutical grade herbs and syrup-based flavors that promotes a desired level of swagga to get you feelin' right any time day or night!"
I don't drink to get drunk, I have a few guiness/corona when I feel like it. Yet to get a headache but thanks for the hu.
Urine tests will show up literally every drug, but not the type. For example "opiates" but not if it's heroin, fentanyl, oxy or "benzos" but not whether it's valium, etizolam or xanax (although the CAN find out they very rarely do).
Alcohol will not show up in a urine test
Subs will, but not the amount.
Umm this is not exactly true. First off, Fentanyl and oxycodone/oxymorphone are not opiates, they are opioids. To test for them in urine you have to do a specific test for opioids, a test which tests for their metabolites. So if they did a oxycodone specific test then they will know you did oxycodone. Same with fentanyl.
"Unless your Dr has a good reason to suspect that you are abusing your sub-scription *giggles at own pun* *sorry I'm a tad stoned* then no, he will not test the levels in your blood.
He will DEFINITELY not use blood to test for alcohol. If you are not supposed to be drinking he may give you a breathalyzer, though.
When I get my methadone and Valium they always breathalyze me despite the fact that I am 9 months sober (exactly 9 months sober today, actually) and don't even use mouthwash if it has alcohol in."
This is also not true. My doctor tested the levels every time for patient (at least he says he does), and many drs have started doing this. It is to make sure you are taking the prescribed dose and not diverting the medication for stock piling or selling.
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