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I'm gonna glue myself to this forum until I've kicked heroin

it's like you need to choose yourself and say fuck it to vegas and even your bro spinning.
your life depends on it.
lay low.allow yourself to be sick.cancel everything.just stay inside(do u have bud?).

That's what I did when I was invited to a friend/acquaintance's bachelor party and wedding since there would be tons of booze there and I didn't want to risk 10 months of sobriety or be around people who aren't really my friends who would just try to get me to drink. Good luck xburtonchic
 
thanks, Sebastion :)

well I didn't get to see my bro spin and no Vegas anymore either anyway, because my dumbass lost my ID. I cannot stay inside. Me sober is not the type of person who can do that lol I'm a thrill seeker by nature, that's what got me into drugs in the first place, and I need other things to stimulate my adrenaline now that the heroin street junkie criminal lifestyle isn't doing it for me. Me staying inside = relapse. Music (specifically dubstep and a couple of other EDM genres) and extreme sports are what will keep me sober... hence the US Open and wanting to see my brother spin. I don't need to take opiates to feel better for anything involving those haha they'll get me high in their own rite and I don't like to ruin extreme sports especially with drugs... the adrenaline high from that is better than any drug I've ever taken anyway, and besides, it's not safe.

Bottom line: I'm not taking opiates anymore, not even to feel better when I want to go out. I'd rather force myself to go out when I'm feeling kinda shitty than to go out feeling 100% but having to pay for it later. It's not worth it to me. I'm just lucky I caught it before it started getting out of control.

And yes I >snip< thank God. Good stuff too, last night was fucking insane. I wanted to take a Vicodin sooo bad to go to sleep, so I decided >green trigger<.. but it did the trick... AND I slept. All night. :)
 
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lol.this is EXACTLY what I did too >snip<

edit:maybe this is dangerous though.be careful.
 
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Why is the vicodin still in the house?

Maybe it's not and I'm misinterpreting. Sorry if I am.

also I hate to be "that guy"..... but reading > something that triggers is unnecessary< I'm addicted to everything. I love it all.

EDIT: NSA If you are still triggered please PM me.. and to everyone.<3. if you are going to promote the use of green in the fight against certain addictions please phrase it in the least triggering way.. Hopefully, this will facilitate the advantages for some while minimizing the damage to others.
 
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oh shit... sorry guys. I forget that not everyone has the same definition of "clean" as I do. so so sorry if anything I said was triggering to anyone. :/

Anyway. I'm doing really well. I'm guessing it would be triggering to talk about why, but it honestly did help me with the things I've been struggling with, so all I'll say about that is that certain ethneogens + tail end of an addiction = PAWS obliterated. Like, my whole perspective on life, spirituality, and the human condition is changed forever in a positive way. I don't think I could get to a point of deep depression, ever again, even if I tried. It also obliterated ALL of my anxiety, and I was amazed, because today is the first day since I've stopped heroin where I haven't felt any anxiety whatsoever... just calm and peace. I also never want to take another opiate again in my life. If some drugs open you up to spirituality, other ones close those doors entirely... I feel like opiates are one of the more evil classes of drugs when it comes to this specifically. Not really feeling smoking cigs anymore either.

So I guess there are miracle cures to things after all. Depending on the person, obviously... for some people I understand doing things this way isn't really an option. Which I totally respect. <3

18 days today guys, not that the days matter to me anymore hah... time is irrelevant. But I just wanted to check in and let you guys know things are still going well, perfect really, and to see how everyone else is doing. I hope you all had a fun and safe weekend <3

Sorry again for the green triggers NSA..
 
yes,it's all about changing focus,ambition and obsession.
like you are doing.
there's many more revelations to come for you re spirituality if you follow
THIS path and NOT the path that will kill you.probably sooner than later.

you seem to be reaching acceptance and you are truly a miracle.
yay!
 
yes,it's all about changing focus,ambition and obsession.
like you are doing.
there's many more revelations to come for you re spirituality if you follow
THIS path and NOT the path that will kill you.probably sooner than later.

you seem to be reaching acceptance and you are truly a miracle.
yay!

wow. that is honestly probably the absolute nicest thing someone has ever said to me. I've never been told I'm a miracle before... aw now I feel all warm and fuzzy inside :) thank you so much, thedawn <3 <3 <3

hey you know what? the both of you (thedawn and neversickanymore) are seriously such amazing, kind-hearted, beautiful people, and I appreciate you soo much. you guys especially have been through this with me practically every step of the way, almost from day one, always being positive and encouraging and helping to motivate me, you've never judged even when I've done or said something you might not agree with. and neversickanymore, you've legit gone above and beyond and out of your way to be there for me... and I see you do the same thing with other people who are early on in getting clean/off their DOC too, and it's truly inspiring. BEST mod ever, like for real <3

oh, and don't get me wrong please - everyone that's been posting in this thread is awesome, and I truly do appreciate every single one of you, whether you've made just a single reply to this thread or several. I do take the things I hear in this forum to heart, because I value being able to view my situation from different perspectives other than my own, and here I get exactly that, plus encouragement and very little (if any) judgement/criticism (and if there has been any, to me it's only seemed like the kind which comes from good intentions and peoples' hearts being in the right places) as an added bonus. Plus, I legit can't think of anything I've read here that I haven't benefitted from in some way.

Really though, hardly anyone knows what I'm doing other than maybe two people and people I used with (and they aren't a viable support system for obvious reasons lol). For the most part everyone is under the impression that I've already been off of H for months now... so yes, if it weren't for this forum, I'd be largely doing this alone. I've found that NA/AA just... aren't really my thing. I've seriously given the meetings countless chances during countless attempts at getting sober, and especially this time it was like a real honest effort, but still... idk. It's just not my thing and I can't make it be, you know? I don't have anything against them either however... obviously the program can and has worked really well for other people, hordes of recovered addicts swear by it, it can be a great social outlet, and the 12 steps can even be an effective form of therapy when utilized the right way. For me personally though, I just have a couple of fundamental issues with the program that are difficult for me to look past, simply because there are things about the program that directly contradict - and at times even oppose - my own personal beliefs and moral/value system. It's not at all personal, but I get that it might seem that way, which makes it hard to explain easily. So I won't, because that's another thread topic entirely lol. anyway, needless to say, I truly believe that you've all played a significant role in helping me stay on track and that your help, encouragement, and advice is part of the reason I'm actually being successful this time around... for the first time ever. I've never really reached out for help in past recovery attempts or let anyone get even remotely close to the "real" me - in fact, I resisted it if anything - and I certainly never followed other peoples' advice before now. Now that I'm doing the exact opposite, both on this forum and also, slowly, in my life with family members and in building new and healthy friendships, things are a whole lot different. Better. I have more than half a month now! That's a huge deal for me. I made a 180 in my approach to recovery and now I actually have a fighting chance at beating this! Funny how that works ;)

All that being said, how are you all doing? I know I've kinda dropped the ball recently as far as updates and checking in are concerned, but I've been really busy. I'm working on getting all my shit together so that I'm prepared to go back to college this fall, I've got an insane amount of DMV/car-related things to take care of, and I'm starting to look for a job now that I'm feeling better. And then this weekend I was just hella busy... had my friend over and had girl talk in the hot tub, went to the US Open and chilled at the beach, and then went and chilled with a friend from Bluelight itself, Captain.Heroin (and no, he doesn't do that despite what his username says lol so I wasn't in any danger of relapsing don't worry :)) and we just hung out around his apartment complex. And then yesterday I was just totally exhausted from the weekend and needed the day to recharge. I didn't do much of anything except lay around sleeping and watching TV and reading lol. So yeah that's why I've been somewhat MIA lately.

I hope everyone had an amazing weekend and has an amazing week to come! <3
 
Keep floating on that pink cloud burton. Just be prepared for when it fades away and you come crashing down.
 
hey,xburtonchic,it's great that you're ready for your life to begin.
and thank you so much for the sweet words.
however,bagochiona's concern is legit.
most likely you will feel "pink cloud"(full energy,slightly spaz happy)for a month.
then life might turn a little grey.less inspiration.
maybe even depression.it seems unlikely today,but here's some of what I do for the darker days.

-playing 2pac when I wake up and take my first green of medicine for the day.
this inspires me.if you're more into dub step or whatever thats of course fine too.
something that inspires you and goes well with the way you choose to wake up.

-action.doing things you love.this experience can also be enhanced indefinitely if you feel like shit.
you love snowboard,right?
many snow riders live like this.
do u remember Terje Haakonsen?(probably not but still,)
one of us.

personally I never got off the replacement therapy I did re quitting heroin.
I'm on MMJ to this day,I have turned into a stoner.
I am spiritual and use it with my music,but still.
I would not be able to quit just like that.
this is a risk you're taking.

much love,
thedawn.
 
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Thank you so much.. it really means allot to me to hear that<3.. I hate what addiction does and I love it when yet another amazing person silently slips away, unnoticed by the devil, into the early morning dawn.. free%)



I would really head chinas warning there.. It is crucial that you have the correct support in place BEFORE it is needed... as you have probably guesses I am a firm believer that that it is possible through relatively simple things to be able to ride that cloud till the end of time.. but it doesn't take that much time to develop a reliable plan for when and if the pain comes. Your post was full of real emotion:).. that makes me think you may have passed clear into the paws<3..



Now that that you won the insane<3=D<3.. the long drawn out war will follow... we go from having to be pretty damn strong all the time to having to be insanelly super human strong for little pieces of time. figure out how to ride that cloud forever.. the biggest thing is changing your thoughts, no matter what happens we choose how we percieve it.. ALWAYS look on the bright side.. if you ever find something that doesn't have a bright side than you still arent looking at it in the coreect way. I really sugest that you find something to take the power from your emotional response.. the fellowships use steps steps 3-11 as major wepons aginst the crazy emotional respnse that addciton leaves us with for a period of years.



that alternate twelve step I threw up might be something you consider..

3.
Decided to follow our hearts and let it guide our lives and actions.


the reason this is so important is that it guarantees that we are always doing whats right for us.. if we dont do what right for us then we will get hit with anxiety.. I dont know about you but anxiety was one of the major driving forces in my initial use as well a the major drive for relapse.. also if we do not follow or hearts it will lead to other emotions such as frustration, guilt, anger, apathy.. so by continuing down the path that is right for us we utilize the natural peace this path offords.. you seem to be a strong free spirit so this should be pretty natural.. if you find your self experiencing allot of anxiety of frustration think or meditate on how you may have strayed and how you can rejoin with your destined path.. consult your gut, if yours is as smart as mine it often knows where the heart wants to go better than the heart.. the heart in all realty is the limbic system or the unconscious mind and as it also controls how your gut feels it can tell you what its feelings are through this.



4.
Wrote down a list of all the negative things we did and all the negative things that were done to us. Added to that list anything that carried an unpleasent emotion when we thought about it.

5.
In writing that list and telling another person we were forced to face the fact that all these events were real and this in turn forced us to finally face these events. In facing these events we were able to remove the emotional tag associated with the event and thus extinguished our addictions emotional stronghold.

6.
Once we admitted to ourselves that all these events were real and told another person we received the natural psychological healing that comes when anyone has the courage to do this. We were able to get these things off our chest, realized that they were not as big a deal as we made it out to be, took away the fear of someone finding out, relieved us of the guilt and shame as well as the anger and resentment towards others and finally put in the work needed to clear the emotional tags that would drive us back to use.

7.

Forgave ourselves and others and worked through events that we had never dealt with, but instead had circumnavigated with the use of drugs.

These are a technique for cleaning allot of the emotions that we never dealt with and circumvented with no real solution, they were instead logged as solved, while remaining unsolved, and the solution that we logged was the use of a drug.. this is a deadly combination.. because we constantly need more of the drug to resolve the problem because of tolerance, and we eventually get to the point where the amount of drug needed to circumvent all the emotions we are using it to circumvent is more than other systems of the body can take.. OD. So I have no idea why confession really works but it works so well that it has been attributed to god for a long long time.. the purpose of this is not to spark debate over god and what is attributed to IT.. I believe in god, but have problems with religion for what i hope are obvious reasons.

So something you may want to consider is taking an emotion wheel from the internet and and taking your time and going through every emotion it has and then as the fellowships say.. take an inventory.. and even before this I would also list all the bad shit you've done, ALL of it burton.. even those couple things you wont even admit to yourself are real and are a little scared to even contemplate telling another human being.. yeah they all need to come out, and since your a free spirit that has been known to throw caution to the wind, and as I know a little bit about this type of person, i know you have a couple;)

and everything that's ever been done to you.. This is the time to let all that shit go.. by holding onto all that stuff we hold onto often times the very reason we started using in the first place and almost certainly the reason we liked it so much.. especially with drugs like booze and H.. So I really implore you to consider undertaking this and going full bore.. you have nothing to be afraid of.. you have nothing to loose but all that shit you are logging along.. that shit makes our souls dim.. take a chance and and dump all that garbage.. if you dont like the fellowships you can simply write down a list of EVERYTHING you can remember that has an emotion associated with it and tell it to some random priest or some poor soul on the chair lift.. this being done all you need to do is forgive the people that wronged you, remember the act of forgiveness is for you and not for them.. and forgive yourself.. you may be amazing but I will let you in on a little secret.. your not a god burton.. so quit quit holding yourself to a gods standers and let the mistakes you have made out to the priest and forgive yourself already <3

8.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.

this is just womaning up and making things right if you can..

9.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do
so would injure them or others.

10.
Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly
admitted it.


This is another way of saying we will now act like adults.. in other words from now on we will develop coping skills for our emotions and use those skills to make sure we properly clear our emotional baggage, especially guilt as that what we face if we dont man or woman up when we fuck up.

11.
Continued to listen to and follow our hearts, and developed courage and confidence to believe in our hearts, and actively pursued the path and actions it showed us.

This just makes sure we remember to seek and follow our own path.

12.
Having learned how to recover from addiction we helped others with their struggles.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/B][/CENTER][/QUOTE]

best way not figure out my problems is to help someone else..


So If I were you I would would figure out everything that fuels the cloud, find away to clean your emotional baggage, follow your heart and nothing else, and by all means have a plan in place for when you get HIT and please have it in place before you get hit.. Oh and start saving a little money cause your buying my lift ticket if we are ever fortunate enough to get to ride together=D
 
That is a lot of good advice NSA.

But I relapsed. :( I'm seriously pissed off at myself, even though I know I shouldn't be. It's just that all the warning signs were there and I ignored them... I got overconfident, thinking I could go to my dealer and pick up a Xanax and that it wouldn't bother me having the other stuff so close by. Worst of all, I'm pretty sure I somehow managed to reset the entire withdrawal process.

Well. At least now I know what not to do. :/
 
If you bring yourself down, you will keep using.

Think about what you've learned from the experience and what you can change moving forward. What worked and what didn't.

Just don't beat yourself up. Don't be angry. Anger and frustration and sadness will lead to further use.

Even though you relapsed, you still came back here. That's a good sign that you want to be clean. Keep going.
 
Burton<3 yeah but you also learned a whole bunch of stuff that works.. don't get mad at anything but the addiction.. this shit is hard especially when it comes at you all nice and what not.. so remember to watch the "things are going so fuckn good, I got this" relapses.. wasn't everything you thought you remembered was it?:\ just pick yourself up, loose all the guilt and anger and figure out why you fell and design a way of avoiding that.. your still doing good burton.. if it was as easy as detoxing we all would have no problem. dont use this as an excuse to start digging that whole again.. nothing has changed you still really want out of this nightmare.. so it will never be easier than right now;)
 
I have Clonodine... I'll try that. Fuck I just want this to at least calm down, it's constant. This is the first time I haven't felt confident about what I'm doing, like I could actually relapse, I don't like it

I am detoxing now (on day 2) and Clonodine has really helped me deal with those restless leg-type symptoms. Hang in there, you are doing fabulous.
 
Burton, relapse is a part of recovery. Although it's totally normal to be upset with yourself about it, remember this; you are still moving in the right direction. There is a distinct difference from relapsing and use. Use is a part of being in the addiction, relapse is a part of recovering. Nothing can take away those 2 weeks you fought so hard to stay clean. You've had a taste of sober living, and now you have the tools in place to make it your reality. I believe in you. Lean upon your support system. <3 You got this. PM me anytime if need to talk. I'm on day 2 of detoxing right now.
 
Sorry for basically abandoning this thread the last few days, I used for one more day when I posted this, mostly out of fear of withdrawals, and then I stopped. I'm on day 2 again now, I'm just doing the whole thing cold turkey this time. I don't want to go through the long ass drawn out suboxone withdrawals again... not for only 3 days of using.

Sooo yeah. Yesterday was hell. Last night was worse, I spent it wide awake tossing and turning and no amount of Clonodine or Trazodone would put a dent in it. Finally when the sun came up I was able to get a few hour long bursts of sleep until this afternoon. Now I feel better than I did yesterday, but it's day two... sooo I don't trust it at all. lol.

I like that advice, to sit with the discomfort. I do that sometimes, kind of let it wash over me and get really intense so my brain automatically numbs itself a lil bit to what's going on.

Man I really, really hate heroin. Thanks for all the support guys <3 I'll probably check back tomorrow if not later tonight, gonna go smoke my green meds and then lay down.
 
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