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Congrats to everyone who's building some time. :)

Thedawn - I feel the same way. I've overdosed alone and woken up - and watched people overdose around people and the EMT's cant save them. I can never understand why I was given another chance, but be grateful for it.
 
Ok you guys. Seriously right now?! I have had the WORST FUCKING SENSE OF AKATHISIA I can't even, and NOTHING is helping it. Exercise is the only thing that helps, while I'm doing it anyway, but obviously it's not realistic to exercise every second of the day... I've literally pushed my body past the point of exhaustion in an attempt to get rid of it but no. So now I'm exhausted and can't move, and yet it's still there -_-

It's the only WD symptom I'm having, wtf do I do. Benzos and muscle relaxants aren't options right now by the way.
 
do you have any clonidine as this is used to block the norepinephrine that is likely causing this state.. you may want to consult a dr in regards to this being a possible treatment.. sorry you are feeling this way burton<3
 
I have Clonodine... I'll try that. Fuck I just want this to at least calm down, it's constant. This is the first time I haven't felt confident about what I'm doing, like I could actually relapse, I don't like it
 
Oh I won't use. I have no money anyway and if I did I would have benzos by now... not heroin. This feeling is just discouraging that's all and it's putting me on edge and KILLING MY VIBE. Now I understand how relapse happens sooo damn easily at this point. This is INSANE. It's like RLS but for your entire body!! And there is absolutely NO NATURAL CURE aljkfdaljdlakjlkaj :!

Edit: Wait, if it's from too much norepinephrine... doesn't exercise stimulate norepinephrine production? So is exercise a bad thing right now, or...?

Edit: K it's been two hours since I took the Clonodine and it's still there. I just want it to end. Somehow. This is beyond anxiety or restlessness, this is pure, physical, agitated, panicky torture. WHY
 
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Yes exercise stimulates norepinephrine.. anything stressful does.. so if you really just exercised the hell out of yourself burton this is definitely adding to your restlessness.. the clonidine should help you with this.. is it? LOL.. laughing with you.. and in true addict style we can not do anything within reason.. exercise is good as it provides the benefit to other endorphins..
exercising to I've literally pushed my body past the point of exhaustion
means that the exact thing you were trying to vanquish by exercising to the point of exhaustion was greatly elevated.

It was discovered that akathisia involves increased levels of the neurotransmitter norepinephrine
>here<


Clonidine treats high blood pressure by stimulating α2 receptors in the brain, which decreases cardiac output and peripheral vascular resistance, lowering blood pressure. It has specificity towards the presynaptic α2 receptors in the vasomotor center in the brainstem. This binding decreases presynaptic calcium levels, thus inhibiting the release of norepinephrine (NE). The net effect is a decrease in sympathetic tone.[21]
from >here<

If the patient is experiencing akathisia due to opioid withdrawal, so many patients get relief with pregabalin, which is a GABA-analogue related to gabapentin.


how is the clonidine working..

EDIT: i hope your doing ok<3
 
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all the withdrawal symptoms will pass.
this is TEMPORARY.
one minute at a time....

hope you're ok,xburtonchic,we know pain.

edit:synchronicity.17:05.lol.
 
The Clonodine put a barely noticeable dent in it... that's how bad it was... and I took around .15 mg of it. I'm sure more would have helped, but I have to be careful with Clonodine cuz my BP is naturally on the low side anyway. I ended up taking a Benadryl and a tbsp. of Codeine-Promethazine syrup. I know it's an opiate but I don't even care, it calmed me down just enough to let me sleep. I just wanted to sleep, my whole body/mind was exhausted and yet I wanted to move... it was torture. I have a brand new sense of respect for Parkinson's patients... how people actually live with that feeling every single day with no real cure and without killing themselves is just like wtf.

Also, is the akathisia a part of PAWS or the acute withdrawal phase? I made it to 14 days... I feel like the acute stage should be over by now? Especially considering I've been exercising, eating healthy, and I take vitamins every day:
- Magnesium/Calcium/Zinc x 1
- Iron x 1
- 5-HTP x 3 a day
- Piracetam x 1
- Lion's Mane x 1

so wtf. The only thing I'm missing that helps with restlessness is Potassium, and considering the Clonodine didn't even make a dent, I highly doubt a Potassium supplement would either. Or should I increase the Magnesium one to 2x a day? Cuz it starts after I've been awake for a while and it lasts until I manage to fall asleep, and I literally cannot do yesterday every single day for God knows how long. Especially cuz it seems the only cure is Benadryl mixed with more opiates, and the last thing I need is a Codeine addiction... I know it's the weakest opiate... but I don't want to have to rely on that shit every night just to sleep, you know?
 
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Hey xburtonchic, i think with the taking of the methdone and vicodin - dont stress. They call it an abstinance violation affect or a 'lapse' - what you do afterwards determines whether its a lapse or relapse. If you view it as a one off then I would say its a lapse all you need to do is just jump back on the horse or maybe the wagon is a better analogy - lol :) Your doing well.
 
Hey burton.. what was your dose of subs again and how long ago did you stop? it been quite awhile.. the length of acute withdrawal is determined by the particular drugs half life.. this may vary for each individual it ranges from 24-42 hours with and average around 36 hours.. so an average of five half lives eliminates a drug from your system.. 5x36=180 hours= 7.5 days for the subs to exit your system + 2.5 for the initial miracle means that it usually takes about 10 days for subs acutes to begin to clear significantly and then it is still a slow process. But we need to include the methadone you took in the middle.. also have you been taking any opiate antagonists at all like loperamide or kratom as if these are taken constantly will just replace the subs as a new physical dependence.. you just seem to be doing really well=D.. walking around in parks and swimming and exercising a ton.. how long were you on the subs..

anyway im glad you made it through last night<3 without grabbing any H.. but please remember that any opiat including codeine will prolong the withdrawal process.. I know people have their favorite opiat I like to look at it as an addiction and physical dependence to opiates. Cause as you noticed last night any opiat will do the trick to get ya unsick.. but then we are just pushed back farther down the path that is so hard to travel already..

The exercise is an amazing weapon against the paws symptoms and from your posts I thought you were definitely in the paws stage as you were really unhappy with your rapid mood swings... also some acute withdrawal, especially the stuff related to the epinephrin will linger and come and go, like the burning skin, fibromyalgia like pain, fatigue, akathisia. I had a patch of goose bump frozen sunburn that sailed it crazy self around my body, SLOWLY getting smaller, until when the second miracle happened at 4.75 months and the opiate receptors finally shut down.. literally my mind cleared so much overnight and the patch left for good.. i had been using for so long I had no idea how clouded my mind actually was.. I mean i was still able to do complex math and other really mind intensive tasks, but now that my mind has cleared it seems like before that clear i was stuck in second and now I role in fifth or above.. something to look forward to.

another thing is the addiction will push really hard at times.. right before you get out of the acutes is one time where it can become unbelievably powerful, at that time its scared because it knows its about to die.. but the real addiction the psychological addiction can really push hard as well.. like they say in the white book of NA if the compulsion becomes to strong put yourself on a five minute basis of not using.. in other words when it gets rough and it will, just tell yourself this will pass and im just not going to use for the next five minutes.. then again.. this actually works really well.. also find some one to call when this happens.. you've been to rehab i see so you know the drill, maybe time to implement some of those techniques so you are able to get enough clean time to allow the addiction to loose power.

YOU REALLY ARE DOING GREAT AND SHOULD GIVE YOURSELF THE CREDIT YOU HAVE EARNED.. now how do you get past those tough times.. so glad to see you didn't say fuck it<3, you already know where that leads.. you seem a little like me, in the way you play your luck hard, dont play with the law burton, they really do lock people up.. Its good to have a plan for when it gets tough, because when it gets tough its really hard to come up with one8(.. you truly are doing amazing:)<3
 
to finally let go of drugs is drawn out process...
don't panic.
maybe if you try some harm reduction right now making the codeine ok.
quitting ALL opiates is a tall order.
maybe focus on no heroin,but dont beat yourself up on other stuff.
I smoked so much hash when I was feeling like you do..I went slightly psychotic.
but it did get me through.I dont know.

there is hope and life after this.
you'll see.
 
I know, it's all good, I just get so annoyed sometimes. But like, I can't do things like go see my brother DJ tomorrow, or go to the U.S. Open this weekend, or go to Vegas when I'm all strung out. I know it's worth it. I'm just impatient sometimes, I want to be at the end of everything already lol you know?

neversickanymore - I was on Suboxone for 5 days so... until July 15th? Started at around 12 mg the first day and jumped off at 2 mg the last day. Yeah I've been taking too many opiates lately... first there was the methadone, then a Vicodin 3 days later. And I took Kratom and Codeine yesterday. I also overworked myself physically yesterday, my muscles are sore as fuck and I have no energy. I hope I'll have energy for tomorrow at least so I can go see my bro spin...
 
I know they will. It's just that my mental clarity is coming back faster than my physical wellness is. I mean it's mostly fatigue, akathisia (which causes insomnia), and sometimes cold/hot flashes during the day... so the worst is over... but it's still enough to limit what I can do. And there's so much I want to do now that I'm not strung out, and I don't have the energy to do it all, and it's making me feel bored and stir crazy.

But I'm hanging in there. Day 15! That's half a month! My birthday is in 2 weeks too, gonna be my first one sober in a VERY long time and I can't wait :D <3

Also, even though I know I'm not resetting the withdrawals completely, they're probably lingering because of taking kratom and codeine and vicodin sometimes. Maybe they would have been gone by now, I don't know. But I'm tired of feeling shitty and I'm not sure what else to do... there's nothing else for me to take other than weak opiates when I want to go out and do something but can't because I feel too shitty, because nothing else works. Except weed/hash. And I already smoked it all lol :(
 
it's like you need to choose yourself and say fuck it to vegas and even your bro spinning.
your life depends on it.
lay low.allow yourself to be sick.cancel everything.just stay inside(do u have bud?).
I smoked Kush mixed w hash every time I would b sick or crave=all the time.
I smoked till I felt like Black Forest Ham.
it takes what it takes.not saying this is smart but hey,IT DOES NOT KILL YOU.shooting fucking heroin will.
shit,i dont know,just some thoughts,you know...peace,xburtonchic..
 
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