Marijuana withdrawal symptoms.

[Jibult]

The dreaming thing is bevause weed suppresses REM and when u stop smoking you remember your dreams more because its like your mind has been blocked from remembering for so long so it remembers move vividly.

The insomnia is because weed helps you sleep when you stop your body is used to using weed to help sleep. So it isn't producing the right chemicals to help you sleep because on weed it doesn't have to the weed helps u sleep
The appetite is the same thing.

Phyical addiction is when your body actually craves a substance it needs it to operate. These symptoms are the fact that your mind got lazy and let the weed do the work. Your mind used the saved energy somewhere else

Care to use your pseudoscience to explain why I don't remember my dreams sober, but can recall action-for-action/play-by-play every dream I have every night that I fall asleep stoned? (And that's totalling at least 3 completely different dreamscapes nearly every night.)

It's very easy to say "weed helps you sleep so when you stop it doesn't help you sleep anymore." My nephew-- hell, I'm confident my fucking dogs-- could come up with that bit of logic. Answering a question relies more on responding to a problem, not rewording the problem and speaking it differently than it was initially posed. That doesn't really progress the conversation, it just kind of ups your post count.






OP: Marijuana withdrawals... they could be real, or we could all just be fucked in the head for thinking they're real. All I know is that when I stop smoking weed, I notice certain changes in the way my body works that I didn't notice before-- changes that I consider tangible and physical along with those of a psychological variety.

I might be the only one but, for me, cannabis withdrawal is very real, it's not overwhelming and can be very uncomfortable and inconvenient. Just because a withdrawal isn't shit-your-pants uncomfortable doesn't stop it from being what it is, though. Fuck comparisons, look at the drug for what it is and what it does, not how it acts in comparison to another, completely unrelated psychoactive substance.

 

[RobotRipping]

well cannabis does suppress dream recall in the vast majority of people. For me though, it definitely enhances it but used to suppress it. I have no idea how it exerts this effect and how it can possibly change over time.

Physical withdrawal is distinct from addiction and psychological withdrawal. Physical withdrawal is indeed possible with cannabis, you cannot possibly deny that. The argument is then that the physical withdrawal is so damn minor compared to everything else (even caffeine withdrawal) that it's for the most part a non-issue, with exceptions for people using cannabis to treat a medical issue.

In terms of addiction, well cannabis is pretty self-limiting, you can only get so high from it, so that kind of stops you from progressing into a cannabis junkie doing anything to support your habit. If you do have such a habit, then you are fucked in the head or have an underlying medical condition. For the vast majority of people though, cannabis is as addictive as playing video games or watching movies.

and if you want to deny that cannabis does not create a physical dependency/withdrawal then only look to your more powerful full agonists at CB1 and CB2 receptors, cause they sure as hell create a dependency and withdrawal. Even then it's not that bad but it's apparent none the less.

I don't agree with fuck comparisons, i will absolutely not tolerate someone bitching about fiending for cannabis when i am in withdrawal from benzos/opiates and stimulants or have been through each and every one of those withdrawals/addictions. They'd likely stop crying about it once they realized how minor it is compared to even catching a mild flu or a cold. Now try 1-2 year recovery waits, PAWS, terrible acute withdrawals....yeah you can't compare pain but cannabis withdrawal is less painful than caffeine withdrawal IMO and based on the science behind what's going on when your body goes without after being acclimated to it.

again, physical dependency does not equal addiction (for those that still get this confused). If you are having cravings, that's a sign of addiction, not physical dependency. If you start shitting your pants because your bowels are going nuts, that's a physical withdrawal. They aren't mutually exclusive, you can have one without the other in many cases and both at the same time as well.

 

[Jibult]

[EDIT: Super fast delete. Went hostile without warrant. Sorry if you saw that, RR.]

Yes, fuck comparisons. We're talking about dependencies and addictions here. We're not saying "Is cannabis as bad as heroin in terms of addictability?", nor are we pondering whether cannabis dependency overpowers addiction or anything of the like.


The question, put simply, was:

Is marijuana really not physically addictive?

In answering that question, my new motto will be "Fuck comparisons" just for you, RR. Physical marijuana withdrawal symptoms do exist-- whether they're a manifestation of psychological ones is irrelevant. If a person habitually ingests marijuana over a long period of time, cessation of use will cause changes in their body to occur and, in that light, the only answer to the question posed in the OP of this thread is "Yes," or however you can answer that question that affirms the existence of marijuana withdrawal (you gotta admit, the question was worded kind of shakily).

 

[runusmc]

Yes, cannabis does have physical withdrawl features which I understand can be seen in the Middle East where men smoke large amounts of hashish. I bet with the THC content of cannabis rising higher & higher (so to speak) due to medical cannabis, we will see more & more people with withdrawl problems. An old Hippie saying, "I'd rather have pot and no money than money with no pot".

 

[RecoveringPothead]

Whenever I give up smoking I get physical withdrawal symptoms.

I will have trouble sleeping, when I do get to sleep the dreams are incredibly intense and I wake up saturated. I also have no appetite. The crazy dreams/sweating only last for the first 3-5 nights then physically I'm fine but then I only usually last another week or so and I'm back into it daily again.

This is pretty much what I am going through and I hate to say its far from the first time I've tried this.

Two nights ago I smoked the last of my stash and decided to be done with it and go on another break of undermined length (although 6 months is a lofty semi-committed goal.)

I actually have a question:

What the hell causes these damn fucking nightsweats I mean last night was my first night pot free (tho I did take an extra klonopin which I'm prescribed and some benadryl)

I woke up shirt drenched. Took off shirt woke up sheets drenched. Shitty shitty sleep

Can anybody tell me why? What could be the mechanism behind it.

If its a simple detoxification process going on I suppose I could try sweating it out during the day???

But something tells me it might be more than just from body detoxifying itself.

If I could figure out the cause I can figure out a solution

 

[HappyGuy777]

Jibult: Most people don't dream when they sleep while smoking marijuana regularly or a vast majority of things i have read or heard have stated. you dream you just don't remember. If it has type of affect its not hard to imagine some people just being wired different and affects different. I type the way I talk for the most part so Jibult sorry to get your panties in a bunch.

Maybe I am wrong but I thought physically addictive meant something different than phyical symptoms. Your body will not crave marijuana your mind will same old story in my opinion. You will not get the shakes or vomit or the vast majority of people anyway.

Here's this:

"Some drugs are very physically and psychologically addictive and have obvious, terrible withdrawal symptoms. These are easy to identify, such as heroin, barbiturates or alcohol. Others like marijuana are psychologically addictive, and the withdrawal includes psychological symptoms like anxiety, mood swings and depression. These are harder to identify, leading to the question of whether they are really related to withdrawal versus a “I miss my pot” phenomenon."

Here's the link: http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/reading-between-the-headlines/201205/is-marijuana-addictive

I know one article blah blah come on can 't I bunch some more panties?

 

[RecoveringPothead]

I just can't see how the intense night-sweats can be anything but physical.

But the cause of these night-sweats is so hard to identify

 

[Jibult]

Jibult sorry to get your panties in a bunch.

Maybe I am wrong but I thought physically addictive meant something different than phyical symptoms. Your body will not crave marijuana your mind will same old story in my opinion. You will not get the shakes or vomit or the vast majority of people anyway.

Panties not yet bunched.


If a concept is unclear to you, you should probably refrain from trying to explain a problem you might sympathize with but don't quite understand. You seem good with links. Try this one:

Addiction vs. Dependency


If you're not big into reading I'll just stick with the age-old KISS methodology:

"Physically addictive" is an oxymoron. Addiction is inherently psychological, whereas dependency (you know, the reason for withdrawals after discontinuation of certain drug habits) operates on a solely physical (more specifically, chemical) plane.

I just can't see how the intense night-sweats can be anything but physical.

But the cause of these night-sweats is so hard to identify

The biggest issue for me is that even if the cause is psychological (i.e. increased anxiety), that anxiety has a domino effect that in turn will cause or catalyze the physical symptoms that people associate with weed withdrawal.

It's that whole "if [a=b=c] then [a=c]" thing all over again.

 

[RecoveringPothead]

The biggest issue for me is that even if the cause is psychological (i.e. increased anxiety), that anxiety has a domino effect that in turn will cause or catalyze the physical symptoms that people associate with weed withdrawal.

It's that whole "if [a=b=c] then [a=c]" thing all over again.

Thank you for responding back to me on this. I think there is no definitive answer.

If the cause is anxiety, though, then taking a larger dose of my prescribed clonazepam should theoretically stop the night sweats. (I will report back to you on this)

Edit: Of course I am only reinforcing my dependency on clonazepam (prescribed 2.5 mg a day) and I honestly don't know how the hell I'm gonna get off that shit and be able to sleep but in the name of science 4mg down the hatch

UPDATE: NO, NEVER TRY WHAT I DID! Fell asleep like a baby and sweated much less (only 1 moist tshirt)

Bottom line: The vivid bad dream I just woke up from was sombad that I'll take the intense sweating over the nightmares ANY NIGHT!

Basically the 4mg dose of clonazepam did little to prevent sweating and nothing to prevent nightmares.

Maybe the amaount of weed I used to smoke just before passing out was enough to block certain subconscious things from escaping in my sleep.

I don't even care anymore is its just psychological it fucking sucks balls and I want it to fucking stop!

 

[HappyGuy777]

Thanks guys! I learned something . So to be correct I don't think there is much if any physical dependence from weed for most people.

I like to learn thanks

 

[RecoveringPothead]

Thanks guys! I learned something . So to be correct I don't think there is much if any physical dependence from weed for most people.

I like to learn thanks

I'm glad you learned something but I just hope you don't minimize the suffering many potheads go through when quitting.

I think it is vitally important to portray cannabis like it is. It's no deadly poison but neither is it harmless.

I think more people need to be aware of the potential problems weed can cause for some people just like they should be aware of its benefits and relative safety.

Like all things in life, nothing is black and white and I think that a balanced perspective on cannabis is vitally important.

 

[Blind Melon]

First off, MJ is NOT addictive. If you think it is you are a fool. That said, it is incredibly habit-forming.

When I'm coming off a long MJ binge (multiple daily usage of medical grade flowers + hash/wax for months on end) the worst I experience is a loss of appetite. Maybe a little boredom and it may take me longer to fall asleep. But if you consider those symptoms of WDs then you, my friend, are a pussy (no offense intended towards the female genitals).

 

[fishyer]

Whenever I give up smoking I get physical withdrawal symptoms.

I will have trouble sleeping, when I do get to sleep the dreams are incredibly intense and I wake up saturated. I also have no appetite. The crazy dreams/sweating only last for the first 3-5 nights then physically I'm fine but then I only usually last another week or so and I'm back into it daily again.

I hear you there, longest i've gone without smoking in the past 3-4 years is a month.. so hard to stop dat lovely green..

 

[HappyGuy777]

I hope you don't maximize it. I learned about the difference between phyical dependency and addiction.

My view is still the same no physical dependence, minimum comedown but habit forming and physiological affects. Each person is different some people minimize the affects some maximize them.

If you smoke weed once a week for a year and stop most people will have very little affects. Moderation is the key like most things.

I totally agree everyone should have the facts about weed good and bad

 

[Jibult]

First off, MJ is NOT addictive. If you think it is you are a fool. That said, it is incredibly habit-forming.

My God, learn what a word means before you contradict yourself within 2 sentences and a fragment. I know what you mean, but I'm not going to put words in your mouth or explain such a remedial concept more than once in a single thread.

www.dictionary.com

When a person doesn't understand the definition of the word, they end up using it wrongly to justify their opinions and positions. You, fellow bluelighter, just made an ass of yourself to anybody on here who actually comprehends what an addiction is, not only in the literal definition of the word but also in the realistic implications.


Best of luck with your vocabulary development. If it were me I wouldn't go alphabetically, that'll get boring. Just skip to random words and pages in your handy dictionary and you'll make developing a better understanding of your own language a tad bit more interesting for yourself.

 

[HappyGuy777]

You know with all the negative typing you just did you could of just been nice and explained his mistake. Rather than the whole high and mighty attitude

Spread the love :-/)

 

[Jibult]

You know with all the negative typing you just did you could of just been nice and explained his mistake. Rather than the whole high and mighty attitude

Spread the love :-/)

Love a person who just called truth foolish and myself a fool?

I'm sorry, I don't have the ability to do that.


Also, I've learned to deal with the stubbornness of most potheads when faced with unfavorable aspects of their DOC. I do this by not pandering to their delusions and doing my damned best to shatter them.

 

[HappyGuy777]

I think you should just release the hate and realize that maybe there could be another version of the truth other than your own
The guy is just stating his experiences , his are just as valid as anyone else's. I got to say that my experiences are much like his in regards to any affects from quitting weed. The pussy comment is a little much but could be worse.

Your just picking on his words you know what he meant and I say correct away but you don't have to be a jerk about it lol

To each their own thou just spreading the love

 

[Jibult]

I think you should just release the hate and realize that maybe there could be another version of the truth other than your own
The guy is just stating his experiences , his are just as valid as anyone else's. I got to say that my experiences are much like his in regards to any affects from quitting weed. The pussy comment is a little much but could be worse.

Your just picking on his words you know what he meant and I say correct away but you don't have to be a jerk about it lol

To each their own thou just spreading the love

He wasn't stating an experience. He made a concrete claim indicating that his post was factual, not anecdotal, and the "fact" he was spreading around and building an opinion around is conclusively false. I don't "spread the love" to people toting misinformation as fact.



Also, notice I said "truth," not "the truth." There was nothing singular or possessive about the statement. Leaving that aside, when it comes to addiction a person either knows what it is or they don't. In my mind, there is no grey area between comprehension and lack thereof. Again, they either get it or they don't but there's nothing stopping them from learning, especially on a website that almost specializes in addictive behaviors and lifestyles. It would be a waste for someone to believe something true when the information proving their belief incorrect is literally the press of a button away (all's he had to do was scroll up, for Christ's sake, didn't even have to leave the page.)



[EDIT: Besides, I just corrected an extremely similar misconception of yours in this thread as well. Do you think I should repeat myself over and over in this situation? I don't think I should. I do, however, reserve the privilege of responding to any and everybody that calls me a fool after making a ridiculously incorrect claim. The tone of my posting that you seem to have a problem with would've been avoided had the BLer in question refrained from using an incorrect belief as a stepping stone to insulting people who know (read: not believe) the veracity of his or her claim.]

 

[RecoveringPothead]

Damn, why do we always have to fight when it comes to this topic?

For some people its obviously not a problem. I don't say they are lying.

For others, like me it IS a problem and the nightmares, insomnia and nightsweats are real for me and I wish people wouldn't insinuate that I'm a "insert your favorite schoolyard childish insult here"

It's not like I choose to have these nightsweats and nightmares.

Can we just agree it comes down to personal body chemistry, genetics, patterns of use etc?