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Marijuana withdrawal symptoms.

^perhaps you just lack endogenous cannabioids naturally? I suspect that may play a role in why some individuals find it hard to quit.

People with certain mental health issues like bipolar suffer severely from cannabis withdrawal (usually end up going into mania). Some people don't feel a thing. It's quite variable. It sounds like you paint a real dark picture of cannabis use and you mention addiction, is your cannabis use really affecting your life that negatively? or is it more so that your body is just so used to having cannabis that you feel like shit without it? that's physical dependency, while the former is addiction.

Addiction - cravings, using despite negative consequences, compulsions to use, sucking dicks when you don't want to.... that's addiction

Physical dependency sounds like what you are describing, hell i'm physically dependent on ceterizine, an allergy medication, if i skip one day i get intense allergy attacks. The solution my pharmacist gave me for this was not to quit ceterizine but not to skip a day. Same with my acid reflux meds. Why can't it be the same for cannabis?

So long as it's not affecting your life negatively while you are high, then just don't fucking run out. My dad has bipolar/PTSD and constantly runs himself out and i just don't get it; if you need it to function then don't run out!!! It's not like cannabis is the most expensive drug on Earth, so keep a spare supply around, forget about withdrawal and smoke cannabis until you die or feel like quitting. There, withdrawals solved.

for people like you rave, fnx and others, i seriously suggest just never running out of cannabis. Have a huge supply, grow your own or something, so long as it isn't affecting your life in a negative way, there's nothing wrong with that.
 
Robotripping, just so you know I never said no person every gets cannabis withdrawal. Infact, I said the opposite.

What I'm wondering why I never hear this outside of the internet. I guess that could be because this thread will mostly only attract people who this actually happens to. There needs to be a poll for this, a comprehensive one with a few different choices. It just seems hard to believe something that I only know exists because people are telling me about it. Is there scientific evidence of regular cannabis use causing any withdrawal or is it only with heavy use? What were the conditions like when they did study this?

I'm not doubting there's symptoms for some people, I'm just wondering if those people are lacking something in their body or the more likely cause they're just doing way too much. Like I said earlier you can't expect to put so many cannabinoids in your body that your blood turns into a cannabinoid oil without some symptoms when you take the cannabinoids out.

and please, no one reply to me saying "you can't just say they're not real it's been proven just because that's not your experience doesn't mean that's everyone's"... I'll lose it. I'm trying to get some indepth information on the exact conditions that leads to this, as it must be uncommon as I've never heard it from the many, many people I've talked to that loved weed. Quite a few that based their life on it.

RobotRipping said:
Addiction - cravings, using despite negative consequences, compulsions to use, sucking dicks when you don't want to.... that's addiction

Physical dependency sounds like what you are describing, hell i'm physically dependent on ceterizine, an allergy medication, if i skip one day i get intense allergy attacks. The solution my pharmacist gave me for this was not to quit ceterizine but not to skip a day. Same with my acid reflux meds. Why can't it be the same for cannabis?
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Your definition of addiction is way too narrow. What you're saying about physical dependency on cannabis doesn't seem to jive with reality... maybe you guys live in a different dimension than me? I'm confused.
 
HappyGuy777 said:
"Weed" is not "physically" addictive. Like anything thou if you do it daily your mind/body will get used to it and want it. If you ate jelly beans everyday for a year and stopped you would crave it or have affects from it. I was kinda cheating by picking sugar but the same would be true for carrots as long as it works in your mind per se.

Some people deal with the cravings differently or just don't notice them as much because of who they are mentally and physically.

Bottom line weed is not physically addictive but your mind controls your body so it can make your body do what u want. Yes what u want subconsciously or consciously believe it or not. Some people's minds fabricate symptoms to get the attention they crave or the "energy" they need :-)

Just my opinions except for the FACT that weed is NOT physically addictive!!!!! Period!!!
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Thank you for getting that across some people don't see it this way, they get caught up in the drug addict hype

weekend addiction said:
^Well you know people used to say cocaine isn't physically addictive back in the 70's. I think that marijuana is more powerful than most people want to believe...
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And it may be just me but I don't find Marijuana to be all that 'powerful'
 
^try reading through the whole page - you think a come down lasts several weeks? messing with the reward pathways in your brain, physically changes it, resulting in withdrawal symptoms. You can call it what you want but it's biological in nature as well as psychological, just like cannabis, heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, benzodiazepines.... you name it. Opiates definitely hurt more physically in w/d but stims/cannabis hurt more psychologically, but both have physiological reasons for this pain.

My definition of addiction is the correct/most commonly used one, it is distinct from physical dependency. I argue that cannabis is not addictive as it is self limiting (can only get so high) in the majority of cases, unless you're the kind of person who gets addicted to cheeseburgers or something. You can have a serious psychical dependency but no addiction, but can also have a serious addiction with no physical dependency (gambling, video games, j/o), though that blurs the line a bit as each of those activities activate dopamine and other neurotransmitter release, which makes them similar in a way to stimulant dependency.

if you've ever had a stimulant addiction you'll know that there are definitely withdrawal symptoms. I don't care that people get away snorting a few grams of cocaine a week and have no problem. Snort 3-5 grams/day for months and try to quit and tell me there's been no physical dependency established.

As far as more in depth info on cannabis withdrawal, no one here wants to do the research for you. If you give me a bunch of adderall i'll do it, otherwise i'll tell you to go to pubmed and google scholar.

Why haven't you heard of it outside the internet? likely because most people are casual or recreational users. I don't ever hear about people being addicted to heroin in real life, only on the internet, isn't that weird, maybe heroin isn't addictive? And i've never been addicted to methamphetamine nor has anyone i have known, so that's probably not addictive either? That's some faulty logic, just go do a simple search, read some studies if you want info. You can ever start at wikipedia and going to the sources they cite.

Normally i'd do it for you but i have the flu (and require amphetamines for such tasks), if you find some good info post the links here.

it's funny because i constantly hear about 'marijuana addicts' or people who just can't quit or kids who steal stuff to seriously support their $10-20/day habit lol. I hear about it all the time in real life, as tons of people will call everyone they know desperately looking for weed when they run out like the world is coming to an end.

IME it takes about 1-3 grams/day for at least 6 months to develop significant symptoms that you notice. If you have any underlying issues physical/mental issues, you can expect far worse symptoms upon cessation of use than a person without any.
 
My guess is that pot withdrawals would cause opposite effects of its high, such as decreased appetite, insomnia and anxiety. Any side effects it was causing will likely diminish, which is good if you're quitting because of side effects. If you were taking it to treat a specific symptom like nausea or depression, those will likely return upon quitting.
 
^yes that's indeed true but in those cases, those are rebound symptoms and not withdrawals. Like with benzos, rebound symptoms, anxiety and insomnia but withdrawal symptoms can include psychosis, muscle spasms, hallucinations, seizures...etc.

the night sweats is one symptom that sets it apart because it's a true withdrawal symptom, opiates and benzos cause it as well. It's the proof that cannabis does actually cause a physical withdrawal due to a physiological reaction or change in the body. This example is further exemplified by highly potent full agonist CBDs where the symptoms are magnified quite a bit in many people. That should be enough evidence to put this all to rest.
 
RobotRipping said:
^try reading through the whole page - you think a come down lasts several weeks? messing with the reward pathways in your brain, physically changes it, resulting in withdrawal symptoms. You can call it what you want but it's biological in nature as well as psychological, just like cannabis, heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, benzodiazepines.... you name it. Opiates definitely hurt more physically in w/d but stims/cannabis hurt more psychologically, but both have physiological reasons for this pain.

My definition of addiction is the correct/most commonly used one, it is distinct from physical dependency. I argue that cannabis is not addictive as it is self limiting (can only get so high) in the majority of cases, unless you're the kind of person who gets addicted to cheeseburgers or something. You can have a serious psychical dependency but no addiction, but can also have a serious addiction with no physical dependency (gambling, video games, j/o), though that blurs the line a bit as each of those activities activate dopamine and other neurotransmitter release, which makes them similar in a way to stimulant dependency.

if you've ever had a stimulant addiction you'll know that there are definitely withdrawal symptoms. I don't care that people get away snorting a few grams of cocaine a week and have no problem. Snort 3-5 grams/day for months and try to quit and tell me there's been no physical dependency established.

As far as more in depth info on cannabis withdrawal, no one here wants to do the research for you. If you give me a bunch of adderall i'll do it, otherwise i'll tell you to go to pubmed and google scholar.

Why haven't you heard of it outside the internet? likely because most people are casual or recreational users. I don't ever hear about people being addicted to heroin in real life, only on the internet, isn't that weird, maybe heroin isn't addictive? And i've never been addicted to methamphetamine nor has anyone i have known, so that's probably not addictive either? That's some faulty logic, just go do a simple search, read some studies if you want info. You can ever start at wikipedia and going to the sources they cite.

Normally i'd do it for you but i have the flu (and require amphetamines for such tasks), if you find some good info post the links here.

it's funny because i constantly hear about 'marijuana addicts' or people who just can't quit or kids who steal stuff to seriously support their $10-20/day habit lol. I hear about it all the time in real life, as tons of people will call everyone they know desperately looking for weed when they run out like the world is coming to an end.

IME it takes about 1-3 grams/day for at least 6 months to develop significant symptoms that you notice. If you have any underlying issues physical/mental issues, you can expect far worse symptoms upon cessation of use than a person without any.
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What you say is not true because I know plenty of heavy users including myself. Not the whole withdrawal part, just you saying I don't know any people who are addicted to it. Like I said, I know people who base their life around it. These people do lots. They don't talk about withdrawal symptoms.

and no, I don't think a comedown and withdrawal are the same thing. If you use that logic MDMA has some horrible withdrawals, lol. You're a bit too free with your words.
 
Some of it can be psycho-sematics (where your mind tells you your withdrawing so you begin to feel it).. Try and think positive and imagine that there is no change while adapting to the changes to do notice (ie: too warm? get naked :p) Good luck :) I used to have boyfriends take advantage of me telling me their withdrawing so I have to find/pay for weed for them.. not nice :( lol
 
I have experienced some minor aggravation and annoyance after about a week without cannabis but it was very short-lived and potentially not related. This was negligible in comparison to what I have experienced when I have quit tobacco, which took only hours to set in and lasted for weeks.
 
RobotRipping, thanks for the reply dude. I do think that physical dependency is a way bigger issue for me with weed, than mental cravings to use when not considering withdrawal symptoms. But then again, after I take month-long breaks and then smoke again, I always end up back on the stuff heavily, and the physical symptoms do not exist at first. And man, I always pick up weed well before I run out. Definitely good advice. Otherwise I might be a menace to society! I have a bunch of different strains, hash, and BHO right now. I would never attempt break without having a stash on me. That's security right there. If I need to get high, I'm damn well going to and I don't wanna be fucking around waiting on bud. I don't usually do this, either. It's been 6 months. So I'm definitely due for a few-day-long-freakout, just to make sure that I don't become so dependent, that I die or some shit from the withdrawal. And I don't want to take it for granted that I'm able to smoke weed. I think that if I keep insanely abusing it like this, the side effects could get even worse. I'm still getting really baked all day and night; subtle changes are still happening in my brain all the time. It's not like you just become a burnout and stay the same, even though it sometimes feels that way. I would like to ideally be able to enjoy cannabis for life.

And really the main reason I am doing this is for the betterment of the weed. I'll be getting much better highs, from lower doses and with less burnout, until I work myself back to the same withdrawal scenario and have to go through some bullshit again another 6 months down the road.

I've been having heart palpitations all day, my blood pressure just gets completely fucked when I'm in withdrawal from cannabis. There is clearly something wrong with my heart right now, and although this is surely related to my brain, I would still consider it a physical problem because I can damn well tell something isn't right inside. And I do normally have a healthy heart, this is incredibly out of the ordinary and 100% related to cannabis withdrawal. It will eventually subside. I also haven't eaten anything in 48 hours, managed a little bit of wine. Feeling super weak. Right now it's past midnight and I just won't be able to sleep tonight. This has been driving me completely up the wall, and my life is like a war right now. Food, even light stuff, sits in my stomach like a rock before getting rejected out, and just makes me feel like complete shit, because the cannabinoid receptors that exist in my digestive system have been downregulated, and I have to week a good week or two for them to turn on again

So I don't think there's anything really that different about my body that would make me susceptible to cannabis addiction, except for some past depression phases which encouraged me to start using it more. I've just been at it for a really long time - I've been smoking for a decade. It took many years of non-stop heavy toking for me to end up like this. It doesn't happen overnight, or even in a year. And I had some issues in life when I was younger that compelled me to abuse cannabis exceptionally badly - like you wouldn't ever smoke that much weed if there wasn't a problem - but I don't have those problems anymore. These days, I enjoy my self proclaimed sanity for the most part. But once an addict, always an addict.

And no, weed doesn't actually fuck up my life that much in the grand scheme of things. I love it so much, and I'm pretty darn sane on the stuff. For the past 6 months I've been high, so I haven't been experiencing these side effects. I'm pretty good with my doses too, once every 2-4 hours, so the act of smoking isn't too distracting.

I think there's one primary reason why I get this, while none of my other stoner friends do except this one guy who has been smoking as much weed as me for also a decade. It's not my mental health or some weird body issue cause those are pretty much cool and normal these days, I've never been diagnosed with any health problems like that. I am just one of those stoners, who smokes way the fuck more pot than most people who use cannabis every day. I like to be baked, from morning until night, and I like to smoke more weed even though I'm already high, each and every day, so this is what can happen when you do that. And the reason that is how I behave, is due to the addiction itself in part (but also cause of how much I love being baked). It is going to make me want to get high at inappropriate times. And I totally see that behaviour in myself, it's deep rooted in physicality. My mind doesn't always need weed, by any means. My mind works best with just a little weed, and I know that well. But I can't even sleep or eat if I wait until evenings to burn. It needs to be a constant, all day thing for me to be physically comfortable and so that my basic body functions can operate. Pretty sure it is recognized in the medical community as an actual disorder, according to wikipedia at least. I started smoking a lot of weed pretty much because I loved it, and I never knew that this was possible. It was really surprising at first, just cause everyone always said weed wasn't addictive, but once I recognized it for what it was, it was already too late. I've just been through it so many times at this point, that I know exactly what cannabis withdrawal is now - it really, really sucks and it leads me to smoke way more pot than is good for me if I let it get the best of me. Whenever I smoke way too much weed for a long while and then I try to stop, I am met with the precisely the same physical symptoms every time, and I have stayed off it long enough, been through this ordeal too many times, to see that they go away after a few weeks.

Considering that I just had to get up and go to the washroom to puke my guts out horribly for the second time today, because I tried to eat half a sandwich earlier after not eating anyting for 2 days, and that I am up all night with insomnia and heart palpitations to begin with, I'd call these the longest damned days of my life.

I am at the point where I might need to taper off for the sake of my health... this is way too much stress for me.
 
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^yes damn it can be especially hard to quit with BHO and shit jacking your tolerance really bad.

I also used to make some pretty nice BHO and QWISO and would make such fucked up mixtures with other chems that i couldn't even smoke a cig of it dipped because i would be too damn high. I had an insane synth noid habit where i would just eyeball out doses of pure am-2201, jwh-210/250 and smoke whatever was there no problem. At some point something in my head just switched and i just did not enjoy anything cannabis at all anymore, in fact it became the only drug that i cannot for some reason handle.

I still like BHO though but rarely rarely smoke cannabis anymore despite smoking daily for 8 years straight (previously).

I had it best when i just got high at nights, no wake n bakes, no 3 bong hits before lunch and then 6 after, just only at night. No tolerance issues, no supply issues, no burnout during the day, no withdrawal symptoms, it was all perfect. I'd do just about anything to be like that again. I don't think my excessive use really caused my issues with cannabis to start but it happens to a lot of us, so just in case, i'd seriously consider cutting back before you hit the point where you can no longer smoke cannabis.

i went from massive stoner to massive poly drug addict pretty quickly after that point.
 
I'm sort of the opposite. Weed is the only drug that I can still use. I used to fancy a few other things, like shrooms and E. Everything else isn't worth my time anymore. I feel like all drugs other than weed have bad side effects even with very minimal use, for my body, whereas weed is a relatively sustainable habit. I haven't even taken mushrooms in like a year and have no desire to even though I could right now if I wanted to. I don't think I will ever consume anything other than pot, and a little booze, so long as I live. Something switched in my brain a few years ago, so that it totally became completely not worth it for me to trip out anymore on anything stronger than pot. I don't think it is physically based, so much as I realized that weed is the only thing that really has a place in my life and is worthwhile to me. Because I really don't miss any of that other stuff one bit, I'm better off now.

I just vaped about 1/10th of one of my usual large rips. The smallest pinch of jack herer that typically would never hit me but wow, I'm definitely feeling some relief, not much though. I'm not about to eat a meal, that's for sure, but I am feeling pretty chill about it all. Tapering is necessary - I'm not going any longer than 48 hours without eating any food, I have little desire to fast.
 
lol strange how we differ then - i now see 0 need for cannabis in my life but was always a huge psych head and always will be.

It was really the stims/opiates/benzos that got me and ultimately why i had to stop smoking cannabis, just caused too much anxiety during benzo/opiate w/d, too much paranoia/psychosis/anxiety with stims and after all that synth noid bullshit, something just changed psychologically and most likely physiologically as well.

My dad however has been smoking an oz/week for most of his life, like 40 years, on and off, mostly on and he functions at pretty much the same level i do and refuses to use any other meds or drugs. What's strange are the number of stories that are exactly the same as mine.

i always found tapering to be useful with cannabis. It's pretty easy to set limits on how much/when you smoke per day and gradually adjust that way than it is to just try to change everything all at once. My gf only vapes at nights, usually high potent strains like purple kush, sour d, jack herer, and other fine strains without any issues at all, no increase in tolerance, no decrease in effects, no compulsions or cravings to get high. It's basically a tool to come home and relax with rather than something that defines your existence. I think if you treat it in that way, you can maintain the best of both worlds forever.

for the time being there's no sense in putting yourself through hell, just adjust slowly but be strict and objective as well.
 
RobotRipping said:
^you completely missed the point
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No, you completely missed the point. I addressed the points you made, and countered them. That does not mean I missed the point.

Again, if marijuana has withdrawals then MDMA has terrible withdrawals.


and also, you didn't make any real points... everything you said was subjective. I'd like to know the conditions in these studies you mention (As I've said before) because I don't believe they'll be realistic. Now are you going to ignore me with another one-liner post or address what I'm saying? Because for all I can see, you're avoiding the argument because you were wrong.
 
I've recently run into financial problems and as such can't seem to keep weed stocked up. My withdrawal symptoms are difficulty getting to sleep, difficulty staying asleep, hard time eating, nausea, general irritability, edginess, etc. Its pretty rough, I've been smoking resin and buying the odd gram whenever I have enough money but shit its pretty rough lol. Thank god I don't do opiates or benzos haha im such a pussy for this.
 
Here's a possible explanation for why some people think marijuana is not physically addictive. Because of the fact that THC stays in the body for long periods of time, unlike other drugs the withdrawal symptoms from cannabis are not as intense as the withdrawal symptoms of drugs such as alcohol or heroin, because of the fact that some THC is still in the body, even after people stop using it.

Because of this, some people think that it isn't physically addictive. While it's not as physically addictive as other substances, it can still cause some physical addiction.
 
RobotRipping said:
for people like you rave, fnx and others, i seriously suggest just never running out of cannabis. Have a huge supply, grow your own or something, so long as it isn't affecting your life in a negative way, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Not bad advice per se, but for one, I just don't like being dependent on anything, especially something illegal, I feel really vulnerable. When you can't eat, sleep, keep food inside you or other such basic bodily functions without using, it kinda sucks. Hinders traveling quite a bit too. I also don't like how it tends to make me rather lazy, dumb down my memory and make me forget a lot of things, generally weakens my cognitive capabilities to the point I sometimes feel that I'm underperforming and so on.

I do like being high but I guess I'd just like to be sober much more, it's almost either-or for me because if I take even one little toke after a break I'm back on the train again because of the way it upsets my body. It wasn't always like this mind you, perhaps chronic depression has indeed lowered my endogenous cannabinoids to ridiculously low amounts. Chronic Depression... heh.

Trying to quit or at the very least take my longest break so far atm, I've been sleep deprived for a few days and I've been hypomanic the whole time too, slowly starting to have minor hallucinations from all the sleep deprivation. Hearing the dog supposedly bark when he's asleep and seeing him in places he's definately not, mysterious shadows on the outskirts of my vision, but that's mostly thanks to the insomnia/sleep deprivation. At least the nearby grocery shop finally opened their doors after me waiting since they closed them lol. Sorry I think I'm rambling a bit.

I sincerely believe that my body and mind is finally able to heal itself if I push myself enough, ever since I started taking moclobemide as my prescribed AD, just gotta get rid of this last walking stick. I just don't want to drift into psychosis because I stop smoking weed, exactly the opposite any shrink has ever told me actually.
 
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