dankplantgrower
Bluelighter
The only time Id ever try and talk my way out of a situation like that, is if they were trying to get into my trunk & I actually had something to hide.
-
DPMC Moderators: tryptakid
DUI checkpoint video goes viral (K9 false alert)
- Thread starter 23536
- Start date
bloodshed344
Bluelighter
- Joined
- May 9, 2012
- Messages
- 1,575
If you concede to answering just 1 question it becomes very different. This would not have had the impact it had if it had gone differently.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I can understand not consenting to a search, and I've definitely been profiled before....but refusing to answer and questions or even roll your window down at all? There is a lot of crazy shit going on on the border, nobody can deny that....
lostNfound
Bluelight Crew
- Joined
- Mar 20, 2005
- Messages
- 13,675
I applaud anyone that disrespects useless authoritarian laws.
mal3volent
Bluelight Crew
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2011
- Messages
- 43,198
What does that question accomplish? If the driver is in fact not a US citizen, what is stopping them from saying they are? Their only purpose is to open a dialogue that will lead to increasingly invasive questions... which only gives them more of an opportunity to do whatever the hell they want.
alasdairm
Bluelight Crew
^ if you confirm you are a u.s. citizen and refuse to answer any further questions (as is your constitutional right) then there's no "dialogue that will lead to increasingly invasive questions".
also, if they want to "do whatever the hell they want", then they'll do it. it's not going to hinge on you confirming that you are, indeed, a u.s. citizen...
alasdair
also, if they want to "do whatever the hell they want", then they'll do it. it's not going to hinge on you confirming that you are, indeed, a u.s. citizen...
alasdair
mal3volent
Bluelight Crew
- Joined
- Jun 6, 2011
- Messages
- 43,198
Simply saying you are a citizen isn't "confirming" anything. I'm a citizen of Canada. See, I lied. I told you I was, but I'm not. Pointless conversation.
If you start answering questions that you might be comfortable with, then when the "have you been drinking tonight" or "where are you headed" or "anything illegal in your vehicle" (bullshit and none of their business) question comes and you all of a sudden freeze up and stop answering, that could very easily be construed by a cop as suspicious behavior. Also, most of the small talk and seemingly innocent questions they put you through when they walk up to your car is just an excuse for them to tell if you've been drinking, smoking, etc and also it buys them more time to eye fuck the inside of your car looking for whatever they might find.
They have enough advantages as it is, don't make it even easier for them by playing their little game that you have no obligation to play.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
They ask you questions to get a read on you. If you just calmly answer "yes sir" and "no sir" to all their questions you have a much better chance of being left alone and getting the fuck out. Which I don't know about anyone else but that's my primary goal when I come into contact with the police! but if they're planning on searching you just based on your age, appearance, the bumper stickers on your car or whatever, they're gonna try to do it no matter what you say. It's a bad strategy to refuse their questions if you have anything illegal on you, but if everyone who wasn't doing anything wrong stood up for their rights it could potentially change the way things are done I suppose.
But, the fact is...with all the human trafficking and guns and the cartel shit, the stuff that goes on at the border is a much different situation than having your balls busted by the local police on a Friday night...
I have long hair....I'm a musician and I have felony drug arrests. I had my license suspended because I got I got pulled over for no reason in Texas...They brought the K-9s out and they found a weed pipe in a backpack in my trunk...They were total dicks and made me stand on the side of the road on a windy 45 degree night while they tore my car apart. They asked me for permission to search the trunk and said they were "giving me one last chance" and I just gave them the piece...My license ended up getting suspended because I didn't have proof of insurance...I didn't even have a Texas license....
I understand standing by what you believe, but in the real world, if you don't temper your idealism with a strong dose of reality you're gonna find yourself frustrated time and time again. There's bad people out there that make me glad the police exist. There's bad cops who cut corners and profile people...but that's not every cop...I've had cops confiscate drugs from me that easily could have been multiple "possession with intent" charges. It's easier to argue a point if you turn everything into a black and white, us against them situation...but life is rarely that simple. The police near the border, what the fuck do you expect them to do, only talk to people who have kilos taped to the bottom of the vehicle?! They're the fucking cops, it's their job to try to snoop around and try to catch people with shit, that's the whole game! The thing that pisses me off, "acting nervous" and shaking are considered probable cause...which the cops aren't mind readers and shouldn't be allowed to judge peoples emotions on the side of the road. That's absurd!
It's the judges that let these cases with really iffy probable cause go through that you should be upset with, and the legislators that keep passing laws that make it easier and easier to search people for no reason! The cops are just playing by the fucked up rules that are already in place...
If you get caught driving with $20,000 and you can't explain where it came from, they can confiscate it without even charging you...It's frustrating, but refusing to roll down your window and answer a simple question is only gonna make matters worse for you 9 times out of 10.
But, the fact is...with all the human trafficking and guns and the cartel shit, the stuff that goes on at the border is a much different situation than having your balls busted by the local police on a Friday night...
I have long hair....I'm a musician and I have felony drug arrests. I had my license suspended because I got I got pulled over for no reason in Texas...They brought the K-9s out and they found a weed pipe in a backpack in my trunk...They were total dicks and made me stand on the side of the road on a windy 45 degree night while they tore my car apart. They asked me for permission to search the trunk and said they were "giving me one last chance" and I just gave them the piece...My license ended up getting suspended because I didn't have proof of insurance...I didn't even have a Texas license....
I understand standing by what you believe, but in the real world, if you don't temper your idealism with a strong dose of reality you're gonna find yourself frustrated time and time again. There's bad people out there that make me glad the police exist. There's bad cops who cut corners and profile people...but that's not every cop...I've had cops confiscate drugs from me that easily could have been multiple "possession with intent" charges. It's easier to argue a point if you turn everything into a black and white, us against them situation...but life is rarely that simple. The police near the border, what the fuck do you expect them to do, only talk to people who have kilos taped to the bottom of the vehicle?! They're the fucking cops, it's their job to try to snoop around and try to catch people with shit, that's the whole game! The thing that pisses me off, "acting nervous" and shaking are considered probable cause...which the cops aren't mind readers and shouldn't be allowed to judge peoples emotions on the side of the road. That's absurd!
It's the judges that let these cases with really iffy probable cause go through that you should be upset with, and the legislators that keep passing laws that make it easier and easier to search people for no reason! The cops are just playing by the fucked up rules that are already in place...
If you get caught driving with $20,000 and you can't explain where it came from, they can confiscate it without even charging you...It's frustrating, but refusing to roll down your window and answer a simple question is only gonna make matters worse for you 9 times out of 10.
manboychef
Bluelighter
It is the cops in the suburbs you have to watch out for. I'm so glad most people have cell phone cams. Only way to hold them accountable...I mean we are at war..
severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
Depends on the checkpoint. Didn't work for me and I was born in the US
severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
2013 Bill of Rights:
You have the right to remain without rights. Anything said can and will be used against you in court. If you do not understand you can be indefinitely detained and searched by government officials without any probable cause. You have the right to be questioned and harrassed for hours without an attorney present. Do you understand these rights?
You have the right to remain without rights. Anything said can and will be used against you in court. If you do not understand you can be indefinitely detained and searched by government officials without any probable cause. You have the right to be questioned and harrassed for hours without an attorney present. Do you understand these rights?
manboychef
Bluelighter
^^^ you forgot "you are as free as we tell you you are."
The worst part about it is we pay taxes to be "protected and served"
More like harassed and served with tickets and beatings.
I've been beaten up by a cop leaving a club in Pittsburgh. Ended up with disorderly conduct.
The worst part about it is we pay taxes to be "protected and served"
More like harassed and served with tickets and beatings.
I've been beaten up by a cop leaving a club in Pittsburgh. Ended up with disorderly conduct.
23536
Bluelight Crew
manboychef
Bluelighter
Made that the background for my tablet.
American people need to wake up. We are fast becoming a police state...who will protect us from our protecters
I lived innorthside Pittsburgh. I got home from work at 2am every night. I got profiled as a white boy copping in a bad neighboorhood nonstop. I got every excuse for being pulled over...ie failing to wait long enough at a stop sign. Not signaling for a turn soon enough...and my personal favorite. My licence plate lights being too dim. Freaking incredible.
Love standing outside my car "detained" while a cop searches it...all the while another cop swearing up and down I made a transaction up the street.
Fuck the police!
American people need to wake up. We are fast becoming a police state...who will protect us from our protecters
I lived innorthside Pittsburgh. I got home from work at 2am every night. I got profiled as a white boy copping in a bad neighboorhood nonstop. I got every excuse for being pulled over...ie failing to wait long enough at a stop sign. Not signaling for a turn soon enough...and my personal favorite. My licence plate lights being too dim. Freaking incredible.
Love standing outside my car "detained" while a cop searches it...all the while another cop swearing up and down I made a transaction up the street.
Fuck the police!
severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
how about "it looked like you were speeding" or "it looked like your vehicle drove too close to the white stripe on the right" lmao.
manboychef
Bluelighter
Yeah...they think they are above the law. You have to say yessir or no sir, yet they can say whatever they want to you.
I love how even though you aren't charged with anything you are put in tight fucking handcuffs. Used to love explaining handcuff bruises to my tables.
We all need to rise up. There are good honest cops, but they are few and far between.
I love how even though you aren't charged with anything you are put in tight fucking handcuffs. Used to love explaining handcuff bruises to my tables.
We all need to rise up. There are good honest cops, but they are few and far between.