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The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread - Part 3

kiu said:
How much did you take? I think with the NBOMe chems first time users should really start low, like 300 mcg of 25C.
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In your opinion, how long after dosing should you be able to determine whether you're going to feel true effects or not, and then how long of a window do you feel you have to redose in order to increase rather than prolong the effects?
 
infantannihilator said:
In your opinion, how long after dosing should you be able to determine whether you're going to feel true effects or not, and then how long of a window do you feel you have to redose in order to increase rather than prolong the effects?
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I would say don't redose, at all. Even if the trip is feeling weak, rather wait it out. Frankly I've found it to be a waste. Nasally it comes on faster - 5-20 minutes and you're tripping. Orally wait 1/2 an hour.
 
Well first time I want to start with 300ug just to be safe, had originally planed 750, then dropped to 500.. but with reports of people feelin mangled off even less I figure I should start around 300.. by wait it out that means wait a whole two weeks :o

So if I take the 300 nasally and within 30mins im only feelin threshhold body effects youd say theres no point in attempting going further?

edit:: I just read an experience where someome took a blotter but it took nearly 3 hours to kick in fully.. I guess thats one reason not to redose because you never know, but I figure going the nasal route will eliminate some of this variation.. of all the experiences ive read with these 25x compounds it seems nasal is the most consistent as far as coming up and peaking time frame
 
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Synaesthesia242 said:
I would say don't redose, at all. Even if the trip is feeling weak, rather wait it out. Frankly I've found it to be a waste. Nasally it comes on faster - 5-20 minutes and you're tripping. Orally wait 1/2 an hour.
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Nasally it took over an hour to come-up on 25C for me. It took almost 30 minutes for any feeling to develop at all.

Actually I just remembered, before I felt anything I was seeing visual disturbances in my vision that looked like dark lines in my vision. These looked pretty stupid and if I were to measure the trip by this reaction it would have been a dud. Be careful! Also note that it FELT like I could have handled even double my dose, but knowing their dose-response curve this would have almost definitely been too intense and maybe lethal (very doubtful though) considering it was my first time.
 
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infantannihilator said:
Shitt im so torn.
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Redose after 45 minutes if you must, but that would be worse for tolerance. You won't be able to redose once you're at the point where the trip is strongest because you'd probably have too much tolerance.

What I'm saying is it's better to take an amount and just that, you won't know how strong it's going to be so it's hard to try to titrate so just take 1 amount and wait a long time and base your next experience off of that.
 
Axed said:
[......] But although my friends and I all took the same amount, one person barely tripped, and another had the worst trip of his life. I've never seen so much variation, although I suppose it could be attributed to the blotters not being laid perfectly.
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This is how it works. We squirted liquid under our tongues, meausred out with 1ml/20ml syringe and it varied quite strong. We all had hallucinations, confusements and shit though, but one guy blacked out (not passed out, but doesn't remember first half, and was starting to do stupid things, like wanted to call his mom, go to the forest, shit on the tree).

The worst thing with this thing is tolerance, oh my god... I have put sth like a mg under my tongue today, it is 1:20 PM and I barely feel anything.
 
How much did each of you take the first time and when was that? Seems like you're saying you did 1mg. 25c is supposed to be active in some people around as low as 300ug..

The idea of blacking out is sketchy as fuck to me.. sounds to me like you didn't do any homework
 
Indopan said:
This is how it works. We squirted liquid under our tongues, meausred out with 1ml/20ml syringe and it varied quite strong. We all had hallucinations, confusements and shit though, but one guy blacked out (not passed out, but doesn't remember first half, and was starting to do stupid things, like wanted to call his mom, go to the forest, shit on the tree).

The worst thing with this thing is tolerance, oh my god... I have put sth like a mg under my tongue today, it is 1:20 PM and I barely feel anything.
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do you ever want to have a decent trip again?
 
Indopan said:
This is how it works. We squirted liquid under our tongues, meausred out with 1ml/20ml syringe and it varied quite strong. We all had hallucinations, confusements and shit though, but one guy blacked out (not passed out, but doesn't remember first half, and was starting to do stupid things, like wanted to call his mom, go to the forest, shit on the tree).

The worst thing with this thing is tolerance, oh my god... I have put sth like a mg under my tongue today, it is 1:20 PM and I barely feel anything.
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How long are you waiting inbetween trips and I don't think put2ing it under your toung is a very good roa I mean its got to taste awful if u preffer the buccal root then why don't you lay blotters and put them on your upper lip just like snuff
 
It's just that I have loads of them and wanted to know so much how would using a couple of days work.

Yea, Bigazznugz, thought about it myself also, but it would be noticed by other people, just like snuff. Also, I kinda like that bitter taste :D I drink bitter lemon tonic instead of sodas :D
 
Indopan said:
It's just that I have loads of them and wanted to know so much how would using a couple of days work.

Yea, Bigazznugz, thought about it myself also, but it would be noticed by other people, just like snuff. Also, I kinda like that bitter taste :D I drink bitter lemon tonic instead of sodas :D
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do you ever want to have normal trips again? Dont take nbome more than 1 (one) trip every 3 weeks (21 days). Thank you. Try not to do them more than 3 times per year.
 
So because you yourself admittedly abused this class of drugs and have felt negative consequences youre arbitrarily saying no one should dose more than 3 times a year? Based on what? I dont disagree that there should be some spacing between doses as its pretty much accepted there is a 2 week tolerance window but you're the only one on this board I've come across talking about a permanent lack of visuals and so on. Just how frequently did you abuse this substance? I ask of genuine interest and proliferation of knowledge, not to belittle you in any way.

While I think indopan is a bit of a tard for starting out with such a high dose and then taking "something like 1mg" as if he doesnt even have a true idea of what he was taking, and brushes it off because he has 'loads of them' and it tastes good, maybe it is good to attempt to scare him because it sounds like he wants to do it pretty often. The whole friend blacking out thing doesn't even seem to be a concern to him, his friend could have seized out which seems to be the next step from blacking out.. fucking ghoulish if you ask me.
 
So, I hope you did not write the first paragraph to me, I would like to comment on your second one.

Tard for starting out with such a high dose and then .... bla bla bullshit. I have measured out blotters, I have tested with varied amounts. Something about 1mg was rather like 0.05mg give or take, you cannot tell it by mcg how much you took. When I told my friend blacked out, I also commented, that he did not pass out, but just couldn't recall the first part of his trip. We had a sober sitter, nothing like that happened to other psychonauts.

You could think a bit yourself too. How likely is it, that I come to Bluelight, start discussing about variety of drugs, have tried more than 10 rc -s and double that for all drugs and I don't know anything about treating drugs? .. before calling other people tards.


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And by the way, some of us do it for curiosity, not to get addicted to drugs for years. So saying take it thrice per year sounds to me as you have to wait just 4 more months to do it again, now enjoy your cravings.
 
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The dosages were probably fine Indopan, there's just a huge variance of effects at the same dosage for some groups. Haven't noticed that myself (and I've done this with a whole lot of people), but it's the sole reason why people say it's best to start low with the NBOMes.

Also be sure to watch that black-out friend's reactions to NBOMes a bit closer, these chems can bring out weird catacombic-like states where freak-outs are not unheard of. Most of the users experiencing that have no recollection of what happened. Best to keep your eye out

And infantannihilator, there are 2 people who are clearly more experienced than you with NBOMes saying that they experience heavy tolerance and a general fucked-upness from overuse. Who are you to doubt what we say? 3 trips a year might be overstating it a bit, but you don't want to do this one a lot
 
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Indopan said:
So, I hope you did not write the first paragraph to me, I would like to comment on your second one.

Tard for starting out with such a high dose and then .... bla bla bullshit. I have measured out blotters, I have tested with varied amounts. Something about 1mg was rather like 0.05mg give or take, you cannot tell it by mcg how much you took. When I told my friend blacked out, I also commented, that he did not pass out, but just couldn't recall the first part of his trip. We had a sober sitter, nothing like that happened to other psychonauts.

You could think a bit yourself too. How likely is it, that I come to Bluelight, start discussing about variety of drugs, have tried more than 10 rc -s and double that for all drugs and I don't know anything about treating drugs? .. before calling other people tards.


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And by the way, some of us do it for curiosity, not to get addicted to drugs for years. So saying take it thrice per year sounds to me as you have to wait just 4 more months to do it again, now enjoy your cravings.
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You sound stupid. I didn't say once every 4 months, I said don't abuse your receptors with this shit more than 3 times per year. Yeah you're a big researcher super RC scientist, that's cool and all, but I have EXPERIENCE with this!

Oh and btw I don't have cravings for stupidity man, so you enjoy your own cravings for such.
 
You sound just as stupid. Or even more. I mean, 3 times per year. We have 12 months in year, so it makes a time per 4 months. And if person is an addict, he takes the shortest pause. For a researcher, there is no such thing as optimal dosage, he is experimenting.

And who are you to judge me, that I have no experience with RCs? Simply because I haven't been a drug addict for years? I have been researching shit for more than two years and I think this is an experience big enough to say something. Or do you want a scientific report from me about every trip I have to consider it a research?

Don't have to enjoy your kind of cravings at least.

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NBome topic anyways, so I won't give anymore comments on this.
 
Indopan said:
You sound just as stupid. Or even more. I mean, 3 times per year. We have 12 months in year, so it makes a time per 4 months. And if person is an addict, he takes the shortest pause. For a researcher, there is no such thing as optimal dosage, he is experimenting.

And who are you to judge me, that I have no experience with RCs? Simply because I haven't been a drug addict for years? I have been researching shit for more than two years and I think this is an experience big enough to say something. Or do you want a scientific report from me about every trip I have to consider it a research?

Don't have to enjoy your kind of cravings at least.

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NBome topic anyways, so I won't give anymore comments on this.
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I don't even get what this drivel you've posted in the past few posts even means, all I'm trying to tell you is to NOT abuse nbomes. You should not go through experiences that powerful too many times in a year. and if you're going for more lowdose experiences then DONT, the nbomes are not to be toyed with like this unless you limit your dosage spacing as I mentioned before.
 
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