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What is better in the end MDMA or Alcohol or Cannabis?

regarding alcohol and mdma it is important to specify what dose we are talking about, with all three there needs to be a frequency of use determined in order to compare equally. i mean say you have 6 drinks at once, or eat 150mg of mdma, or smoke a fat blunt, if you do each one of those things once yearly there is probably no damage to be assessed in the first place. alcohol and marijuana can even be argued as healthy for oneself in moderation. mdma i'm not sure but for some people why not?

i think the question requires specifics and either way an opinion via webforum response is going to be biased.
 
i think the question requires specifics and either way an opinion via webforum response is going to be biased.

via a druggie webforum response you mean. Get this shit on a science forum with nerds not on drugs and you'll get the better response.
 
regarding alcohol and mdma it is important to specify what dose we are talking about, with all three there needs to be a frequency of use determined in order to compare equally. i mean say you have 6 drinks at once, or eat 150mg of mdma, or smoke a fat blunt, if you do each one of those things once yearly there is probably no damage to be assessed in the first place. alcohol and marijuana can even be argued as healthy for oneself in moderation. mdma i'm not sure but for some people why not?

i think the question requires specifics and either way an opinion via webforum response is going to be biased.

IMO the storys that a glass of wine with supper is good for the health is bullshit, just governement lies to sell mor alcohol. Weed on the other hand i agree with you, correct me if im wrong but i think i read somewhere weed dilates the little things in the lungs, hum bronches in french i dont know in english, which helps for asthma. THere is also speculation it could be a cure for cancer. I loved it for insomnia also, made me have 12 hours sleep with no interruption waking up refreshed and shit. Good for anorexic people too. Cannabis has alot of vertues, its a shame i cant smoke anymore.
 
IMO the storys that a glass of wine with supper is good for the health is bullshit, just governement lies to sell mor alcohol. Weed on the other hand i agree with you, correct me if im wrong but i think i read somewhere weed dilates the little things in the lungs, hum bronches in french i dont know in english, which helps for asthma. THere is also speculation it could be a cure for cancer. I loved it for insomnia also, made me have 12 hours sleep with no interruption waking up refreshed and shit. Good for anorexic people too. Cannabis has alot of vertues, its a shame i cant smoke anymore.

Cannabis is a bronchial dilator you're right. Multiple studies show it. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but even smoked cannabis has this effect.

There's even been at least one study suggesting cannabis + tobacco smokers get lung cancer less than people who just smoke tobacco. Then there's the tumor shrinking, neuro-protectant, etc., studies... I have a total pro-weed bias but even I'm slightly suspicious. But this is all academic, peer reviewed material. Anyone interested go to Google Scholar and have a blast.
 
IMO the storys that a glass of wine with supper is good for the health is bullshit, just governement lies to sell mor alcohol. Weed on the other hand i agree with you, correct me if im wrong but i think i read somewhere weed dilates the little things in the lungs, hum bronches in french i dont know in english, which helps for asthma. THere is also speculation it could be a cure for cancer. I loved it for insomnia also, made me have 12 hours sleep with no interruption waking up refreshed and shit. Good for anorexic people too. Cannabis has alot of vertues, its a shame i cant smoke anymore.

Actually, since smoking cannabis actually helps to dilate the lungs, this makes it's lung-damaging effects even worse, since it allows the stuff from the smoke to go even deeper into the lungs.
 
Actually, since smoking cannabis actually helps to dilate the lungs, this makes it's lung-damaging effects even worse, since it allows the stuff from the smoke to go even deeper into the lungs.

Reverse is true, when you smoke weed, because of its bronchial dilating effects, you will tend to cough up the black/brown by-products of the smoke later on as it builds up, essentially expelling it from your body. While with tobacco, it will stay in you because of its bronchial constricting effects, trapping it inside you.

So don't repeat that claim on the forum. I can tell you're trying, but before posting, just do some Googling. I'm one of the few who don't think you're a troll/antagonizer, so don't let me down...
 
Obviously, marijuana is going to come out on top.
What kind of question is that?

Is it really that simple though? Sure, it's less toxic in and of itself, but if you're smoking it heavily for years it's far from inconceivable that you might be damaging your body more than with the booze & MD, especially if those are infrequent.

I'd be interested to know how long the OP has been maintaining his weekly MDMA regimen. It doesn't really sound sustainable to me, but I've been surprised before.
 
Lets not play stupid. Elven Warrior is a troll: possible LEO, psycho-path, or asshole. Can we have a vote on banning his ass or something? I vote BAN on Elven Warrior. I'm tired of the endless bullshit debates that distract from our real goal which is harm reduction. So who's with me and say we just ban this mother fucker?
 
Lets not play stupid. Elven Warrior is a troll: possible LEO, psycho-path, or asshole. Can we have a vote on banning his ass or something? I vote BAN on Elven Warrior. I'm tired of the endless bullshit debates that distract from our real goal which is harm reduction. So who's with me and say we just ban this mother fucker?
I agree with 100 % of what you said. Im wondering why hasnt he been banned by now. Im sure he is a troll that just acts like he isnt so he doesnt get banned. BAN HAMMER to the rescue plz

Cannabis is a bronchial dilator you're right. Multiple studies show it. And someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but even smoked cannabis has this effect.

There's even been at least one study suggesting cannabis + tobacco smokers get lung cancer less than people who just smoke tobacco. Then there's the tumor shrinking, neuro-protectant, etc., studies... I have a total pro-weed bias but even I'm slightly suspicious. But this is all academic, peer reviewed material. Anyone interested go to Google Scholar and have a blast.

Im with you man, pro-weed but i think sometimes its played outless harmful then it is, on the mental part though. Most of my friends who have been smkoking for what 10 years or so, their day is pretty much: wake up , get high, play video games, get higher, get in a fight over who goes to the store to buy food , eat, repeat. Eventually pass out from all the smoking around 1 in the morning and start the cycle again. Sometimes this will include smoking themselves completly retarded and coming up with an idea like oh lets dip the weed in blackberry juice and say its blackberry kush and someone will buy it for 3x more. Then when its time to do the deed they start giggling like schoolgirls and the person understands whats up, leaves pissed off, so they decide to smoke up the juice soaked weed and get some sugar in the lungs. LMAO. They still are my good friends but im sometimes amazed at their idiocy.

When i smoked loads though, i smoked way more then they do and i wasnt zombified. Id go out, see different friends, go to the movies, later in the night go to a club or something. I didnt spend my day doign nothing but video games, welll only on rainy days. I have mild asthma, which got way worse after (and idk if its related) a month of snorting adderal and meth pills as well as smoking contrband cigs. Afterwards smoking weed made me feel better lungwise then the asthma inhaler bullshit. SInce ive stropped smoking im noticing i dotn breath as weell as i did, since i still smoke cigs. Also i sleep alot less and bvery bad,and im not as in control of my emotions. Id say weed has more benefits than side effects if you know how to deal the lack of motivation it brings.

Actually, since smoking cannabis actually helps to dilate the lungs, this makes it's lung-damaging effects even worse, since it allows the stuff from the smoke to go even deeper into the lungs.

Facepalm/. Here we go again, you know fuckall about substances,yet you try to diss me and make some statements that are false and that ytou probably pulled off wikipedia. Im not even going to respond to your argument, ive done wasting my time with your bullshit.
 
To the OP: I would say continuous MDMA use would be worse than continuous Alcohol use, which would be worse than continuous Cannabis use, none of which abuse of which would be good for one in the long term.
 
laugh: worst moderator to ever hit blue light.

Anyways the obvious answer is weed. If you don't do it often it won't negatively affect your life. If you get stoned all day (use to be guilty of that) you will usually become burned out and not want to do anything productive.

As for MDMA, just don't even bother with it. 5-6 hours of fun is not worth the neuronal damage and long term havoc it causes your brain.

Alcohol is fine in moderation.
 
My abuse of MDMA left me more damaged than any drug I have ever done (I haven't even used it for six years). Most of this site is very pro-MDMA and doesn't seem to think it is bad at all, but my personal experience tells a very different story.

Honestly, I don't even think your drug use is that bad at all tbh
I totally agree. After my FIRST rave (300mg tested MDMA) i woke up fried. No drug has ever made me feel that fried the next day. Not even the next day, i felt something seriously wrong with me for a few weeks. Yet i still ventured on to do more MDMA in the future, because i was into the scene at that time. Too many people on this forum are Pro MDMA (aka the brain damage drug) , it is actually quite sad that his is a harm reduction forum.
 
I totally agree. After my FIRST rave (300mg tested MDMA) i woke up fried. No drug has ever made me feel that fried the next day. Not even the next day, i felt something seriously wrong with me for a few weeks. Yet i still ventured on to do more MDMA in the future, because i was into the scene at that time. Too many people on this forum are Pro MDMA (aka the brain damage drug) , it is actually quite sad that his is a harm reduction forum.

Consider MXE; if you haven't. I know it's a dissociative but I've been reading reports from as far back as 2011 of heavy regular use.. and with the guinea pigs self-assessing themselves as alright (who knows if they are). I'm sure there's opposite reactions too. Interesting designer drug nonetheless. I fucking love it *not objective*

If we could get some real money behind MDMA and analogue research we would know the EXACT effects and people like Logan who are obviously intelligent could have protected their neural activity homeostasis in the interest of HR and knowledge of its full effects. It will come.
 
I totally agree. After my FIRST rave (300mg tested MDMA) i woke up fried. No drug has ever made me feel that fried the next day. Not even the next day, i felt something seriously wrong with me for a few weeks. Yet i still ventured on to do more MDMA in the future, because i was into the scene at that time. Too many people on this forum are Pro MDMA (aka the brain damage drug) , it is actually quite sad that his is a harm reduction forum.

I'll throw in to some of the hate too I guess. I learned first-hand from irresponsible use of what was thought to be MDMA of the horrible consequences it can have on an individual. But that's just it, it was irresponsible use. Irresponsible use of any of these 3 drugs can fuck you up. I don't believe irresponsible use of cannabis can cripple you as bad as the other two though. However, my dad's been smoking kush consistently for around 30+ years I believe. His habit has been mixing in with his old age and I can see very clearly how strongly his short term memory has suffered. Some things I tell him from one day to the next he seriously cannot recall. He's not stupid or anything, he's a genius when it comes to automotive repair, he just smokes too much weed lol.

If one does his/her research on any of these three drugs & doesn't make stupid decisions, the person should be fine and can find joy in the substances.
 
To the OP: I would say continuous MDMA use would be worse than continuous Alcohol use, which would be worse than continuous Cannabis use, none of which abuse of which would be good for one in the long term.

Took the words right out of my mouth, but in the end, if you must abuse a substance, cannabis is the way to go as long as it doesn't exacerbate mental health problems. It's the only substance you can use (not abuse) day in, day out, without getting your ass kicked from physical addiction, although it is extremely psychologically addictive to me, it's my DOC.
 
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