What is better in the end MDMA or Alcohol or Cannabis?

[NerdOnDrugs]

Nope, some studies have actually shown that marijuana causes neuron cells in the hippocampus to die, which is why it damages short-term memory.

Learn the difference between "some studies" and "scientific consensus". A government or corporate power can get "some studies" to say anything; while they can rarely buy off a peer reviewed scientific consensus with repeatable testing. Seriously, spend a few hours with Google Scholar. Best engine for bringing up journal publications, also note who funds what study.

 

[Lady Codone]

Honestly, binge drinking is probably worse long-term than taking a single MDMA pill each weekend. Alcohol is toxic to every organ in the body, harms the brain and liver, causes about 10 different types of cancer and can have fatal withdrawals. (I'll gladly source any one of those claims if you'd like).

MDMA would be the second most dangerous. Neurotoxicity is a very real possibility, but it's not exactly known how that could affect real-life functioning. The risk of acute death is pretty low (stay dehydrated and cool) and withdrawals aren't fatal. Just watch your doses.

Cannabis is definitely the least dangerous of the three. Not 100% risk free, but nothing is. You're more likely to die from aspirin than marijuana. If you overdo it, you could run into problems that affect your quality of life (overspending, legal troubles, diminishing effects, etc). But it's truly one of the safest substances known to man.

Just listen to your body and stop if something is causing problems. Props on quitting tobacco. That shit is not an easy feat.

 

[verso]

I know that many others here will disagree with me, but I believe that all of the aforementioned substances have their negative health effects, albeit some more than others.

I'm not entirely sure of the research surrounding it, but I'd imagine that alcohol abuse would have the most serious negative side effects, at least physically... what with the liver damage and all. But abusing MDMA can result in just awful, crippling depression, and so that sucks and that's pretty serious. Cannabis? I know that it has been shown to help cancer patients, and there have been a few studies that suggest cannabis or the THC in cannabis may shrink the size of some tumors (not sure how true that is, though), but I also know that inhaling smoke of any kind, regardless of whether it's tobacco smoke or marijuana smoke or whatever smoke, irritates the lungs and can result in some serious sicknesses.

So, it's hard to say exactly which one is "better" for one's health or at least less detrimental... but if I had to pick one, then I would say that cannabis is probably the least detrimental.

 

[Elven Warriorr]

Hahaha exactly shouldve been anti drug warrior or something like that


Understatement, Mr eleven warrior has never used any mind altering substance, yet he reads alot of propaganda filled articles and lol dailyfail articles,uses them as source, doesnt accept anything when proven wrong (see alcohol vs drug thread, from the beggining) and uses tactics such as changing the subject in the next post and then coming back again and repeating the same shit sometimes for multiple times,even when proven wrong by several other members. Also, mr Elven warrior thinks he is always right, and i quote him it was something like ()doing drugs is stupid and dangerous i will never do that(), by which he implies most of this community is stupid,and that he is so much smarter than and above us. When something doesnt please his highness, he ignores it and throws in another false statement,or repeats the same one.

The only instance ive seen him change his mind is the posts above aboutr weed. Though in his head heroin is very neurotoxic, and Ice is as physically addictive as alcohol. He is either a troll, or someone so bored and stubborn that he wastes alot of time coming up with this shit, pissing people off on the way. I think we should all ignore his further posts, why should we try to reason with a wall?

EDIT : in response to the op's thread i think youre better off with weed. Alcohol is ok if you dont abuse it, it really depends on people. Mdma imo is the one that does damage faster then the others. Eat E everyday for a week and your fucked for a good few months after that. Binge drink everyday for a week, the effects are gonna be alot less wrose and goona go away alot faster. Smoke weed everyday for a week and it really wont do anything remoetely bad. BE careful with weed though,if you smoke everyday for years it can completly fuck up an individuals motivation and can eventually lead somebody to be anxious and paranoid if abused.

I'm not calling anybody stupid, I just don't condone their behaviors. And why are you calling me a snob? Studies have shown that all mind altering substances, even supposedly soft drugs such as cannabis, all have dangers. Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia, and even if the short-term memory is only temporarily damaged, it's still harmful. People should stay away from harmful stuff. Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind altering substances.

 

[tokenname]

I'm not calling anybody stupid, I just don't condone their behaviors. And why are you calling me a snob? Studies have shown that all mind altering substances, even supposedly soft drugs such as cannabis, all have dangers. Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia, and even if the short-term memory is only temporarily damaged, it's still harmful. People should stay away from harmful stuff. Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind altering substances.

studies have shown that existing at all has it's dangers.
the stress from my work is harmful to me - the pain of life much more so.
for some, the advantages far outweigh the risks.
no one with any sense is going to argue that drugs are never harmful.
no one with any sense is going to argue that drugs do not benefit some.

 

[PurpleKush1]

I'm not calling anybody stupid, I just don't condone their behaviors. And why are you calling me a snob? Studies have shown that all mind altering substances, even supposedly soft drugs such as cannabis, all have dangers. Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia, and even if the short-term memory is only temporarily damaged, it's still harmful. People should stay away from harmful stuff. Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind altering substances.

YES you are a fucking snob that thinks of himself/herself ighly than errobdy here because your snob fcuking ass doesnt get high. THIS IS BL,WE ARE DRUG USERS' FUCKING LIVE QWITH IT OR STOP PREACHIGN YOUR PROAGANDA BULLSHIT. OR GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. Go on a anti drug forum. Staying sober is fucking boring, and many people like myself love to give a kick to life. Ify ou want to stay sober and feel more smart than us and think your bullshit, its your choice, BUT DONT FUCKING IMPOSE IT ON US. I am utterly tired of your bullshit, every post you make is the same shit, proaganda and news inspired hatred and untrue facts. WHen will you understand for fucks sake?

 

[Cruel Intentions]

Studies have shown that all mind altering substances, even supposedly soft drugs such as cannabis, all have dangers.

Prove it.

 

[JunkieDays]

I'm not calling anybody stupid, I just don't condone their behaviors. And why are you calling me a snob? Studies have shown that all mind altering substances, even supposedly soft drugs such as cannabis, all have dangers. Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia, and even if the short-term memory is only temporarily damaged, it's still harmful. People should stay away from harmful stuff. Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind altering substances.

Drugs effect everyone differently. Some users may get paranoia whereas others may not. It all depends on the bodys chemistry.
Now.. If people should 'stay away from harmful stuff' then you might as well live in a bubble and stay inside at all times.
Each time you go outside you expose your lungs to harmful chemicals in the air.. especially with the many cars/trucks/tractors making their daily commute.
"Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind"
Seriously? And what 'Harmful Effects' may that be? Critical thinking? Drugs have opened minds, drugs make you think about life, question philosophy & sometimes even inspire you to be a better person.
I'm not saying that's an absolute truth, however, that was MY experience with cannabis. & I no longer smoke cannabis anymore, but it surely opened my mind to new horizons..

"Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia,"
Yeah, and what's your point? So does coffee.

 

[PurpleKush1]

Prove it.

Drugs effect everyone differently. Some users may get paranoia whereas others may not. It all depends on the bodys chemistry.
Now.. If people should 'stay away from harmful stuff' then you might as well live in a bubble and stay inside at all times.
Each time you go outside you expose your lungs to harmful chemicals in the air.. especially with the many cars/trucks/tractors making their daily commute.
"Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind"
Seriously? And what 'Harmful Effects' may that be? Critical thinking? Drugs have opened minds, drugs make you think about life, question philosophy & sometimes even inspire you to be a better person.
I'm not saying that's an absolute truth, however, that was MY experience with cannabis. & I no longer smoke cannabis anymore, but it surely opened my mind to new horizons..

"Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia,"
Yeah, and what's your point? So does coffee.

I agree with everything you said 100 % Junkie days, but there is absolutly no point in tying to explain it tho mister elven the cocksucker, he will simply throw back at you the same argument or change subjects on to something completly differebnt,because his dumbass CANNOT accept hes wrong. You should read the alcohol vs hard drugs (satarted by mr elven), where in the end even the mods are tired of his shit. Just a heads up so ou dont wate your time, nothign you will say or prove will make him change his dumb fucking mind.

 

[Tryptamino]

Actually, since smoking cannabis actually helps to dilate the lungs, this makes it's lung-damaging effects even worse, since it allows the stuff from the smoke to go even deeper into the lungs.

 

[PurpleKush1]

LOL weell said

 

[Elven Warriorr]

I agree with 100 % of what you said. Im wondering why hasnt he been banned by now. Im sure he is a troll that just acts like he isnt so he doesnt get banned. BAN HAMMER to the rescue plz



Im with you man, pro-weed but i think sometimes its played outless harmful then it is, on the mental part though. Most of my friends who have been smkoking for what 10 years or so, their day is pretty much: wake up , get high, play video games, get higher, get in a fight over who goes to the store to buy food , eat, repeat. Eventually pass out from all the smoking around 1 in the morning and start the cycle again. Sometimes this will include smoking themselves completly retarded and coming up with an idea like oh lets dip the weed in blackberry juice and say its blackberry kush and someone will buy it for 3x more. Then when its time to do the deed they start giggling like schoolgirls and the person understands whats up, leaves pissed off, so they decide to smoke up the juice soaked weed and get some sugar in the lungs. LMAO. They still are my good friends but im sometimes amazed at their idiocy.

When i smoked loads though, i smoked way more then they do and i wasnt zombified. Id go out, see different friends, go to the movies, later in the night go to a club or something. I didnt spend my day doign nothing but video games, welll only on rainy days. I have mild asthma, which got way worse after (and idk if its related) a month of snorting adderal and meth pills as well as smoking contrband cigs. Afterwards smoking weed made me feel better lungwise then the asthma inhaler bullshit. SInce ive stropped smoking im noticing i dotn breath as weell as i did, since i still smoke cigs. Also i sleep alot less and bvery bad,and im not as in control of my emotions. Id say weed has more benefits than side effects if you know how to deal the lack of motivation it brings.



Facepalm/. Here we go again, you know fuckall about substances,yet you try to diss me and make some statements that are false and that ytou probably pulled off wikipedia. Im not even going to respond to your argument, ive done wasting my time with your bullshit.

Actually, I had gotten this information from this site on some other thread, not from Wikipedia.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/680816-Marijuana-Not-Linked-To-Lung-Cancer/page5

 

[PurpleKush1]

Actually, I had gotten this information from this site on some other thread, not from Wikipedia.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/680816-Marijuana-Not-Linked-To-Lung-Cancer/page5

i dont give a fuck, you still dont know what youre talking about and being a very skilled trolll

 

[Elven Warriorr]

i dont give a fuck, you still dont know what youre talking about and being a very skilled trolll

I got this information from this site. I'm not getting this information from Wikipedia or from any other site which you think is supposedly "biased".

If you check the 5th page, 14th post of this thread over here, http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/680816-Marijuana-Not-Linked-To-Lung-Cancer/page5, you will find that I'm not getting this information from Wikipedia.

Thc just “opens up"... Which can allow shit to go even deeper into to the lungs... You can’t clear anything up smoking...

It is impossible to hack and cough up everything... It will still have detrimental effects...

 

[naughtynicknails]

I'm not calling anybody stupid, I just don't condone their behaviors. And why are you calling me a snob? Studies have shown that all mind altering substances, even supposedly soft drugs such as cannabis, all have dangers. Cannabis causes panic attacks, anxiety, paranoia, and even if the short-term memory is only temporarily damaged, it's still harmful. People should stay away from harmful stuff. Staying sober protects people from the harmful effects of mind altering substances.

You're ignoring the BENEFITS drugs can bring to peoples lives. Even if that is just "a bit of harmless fun".

Using drugs doesn't have to be dangerous or bad for you in any way.

You sound like you want to write for the daily mail.

Why are you here?

 

[PurpleKush1]

I got this information from this site. I'm not getting this information from Wikipedia or from any other site which you think is supposedly "biased".

If you check the 5th page, 14th post of this thread over here, http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/680816-Marijuana-Not-Linked-To-Lung-Cancer/page5, you will find that I'm not getting this information from Wikipedia.

Like i said i dont give a fuck,its pointless to even talk to you, as youcannot accept youre wronga nd you take a vile fucking pleasure in pissing on everybody and here and getting on peoples nerves. Just alot fo the people here, despite that fact that we are all so fucked in the head for getting high according to you, are too kind and polite to really express what they feel like to you. I can guarantee you that. Or they dont want to get an infraction.Everything that you say for me has the same value as horseshit. Meaning whatever you write i will only continue being a dick and will not respond to your ''asrguments'' and lose my time arguing with a troll/a wall with and implanted brain. If you would come here wityh an open mind to learn about drugs it would be a different story. But you come here TO IMPOSE your bulllshit, and act like like a total douche, so i dont care. I hope someone figures a way to hack you out of this website.

You're ignoring the BENEFITS drugs can bring to peoples lives. Even if that is just "a bit of harmless fun".

Using drugs doesn't have to be dangerous or bad for you in any way.

You sound like you want to write for the daily mail.

Why are you here?

Lol he is here because he is Elven the king of information, we all know nothing about drug use despite using them, he on the other hand having never tried anything knows all about them and will teach us. ROFL.

 

[psood0nym]

Yeah can't agree more. Why does bluelight so extremely anti-alcohol? Damn half college students drink every weekend for years and how many have serious problems? Not too high percentile. On the other hand, imagine taking MDMA 52 times every year, for 5 years. How many of those would NOT have severe depression and anxiety? Not many imo.

Some here may make overblown claims about the deleterious effects of alcohol, many are probably misinterpreting Professor David Nutt's work, for instance, but alcohol really is bad, just look at the health problems of alcoholics. It's not about frequency of use so much as it is about what typical use is likely to be for you. Typically, people have a drink far more often then they roll. Alcohol is more often used frequently, and that's part of why its bad. Personally, all else being equal, I'd want the 30 year old two drink a night person on my team for facing most challenges over the 30 year old two bowl a night guy. However, if the person who's going to be on my team has either spent the last 40 years having 10 Jack and Cokes per day or smoking 10 bowls per day, I'd probably go with the stoner -- he's a little flaky but all his organs work. Imagine someone who uses a recreational dose of MDMA with these frequencies in either hypothetical situation and you'll quickly see how ridiculous it is to make direct quantitative comparisons between drugs. I think the OP will come to recognize that at some point in the future.

 

[Tryptamino]

cannabis ovviously,

/thread

 

[Sweet Jones]

only one of these i can do every night of the week and still be functional at my 9-5 the next day

 

[T1gersxjaw]

My opinion, is that alcohol in low amounts or weed, as long as it doesn't have an effect on your ambitions.