• Welcome Guest

    Forum Guidelines Bluelight Rules
    Fun 💃 Threads Overdosed? Click
    D R U G   C U L T U R E

Alcohol Vs. Hard Drugs

Status
Not open for further replies.
then why are you posting the same identical posts without actually posting reputable source. you compare casual drinkers from drug addicts, rather than comparing hardcore alcoholics with drug addicts. it doesn't make sense. addiction rate is one thing, but damage done from addiction is another. Statistics prove more people die from alcohol related deaths compared to legal or illegal drugs. and about cancer from alcohol, didn't you read the post I made about liver failure? Stop skipping posts, and read them, if they are commenting on your posts and stop posting about "brain damage" if you've never even had the experience of doing drugs or have a laboratory with lab mice. Your lack of credibility and logic is what's making you get so many negative feedbacks. Once again, I think you're a troll. Good day. :)

Okay, from now on I will do this. I will compare alcoholics to harder drug addicts, instead of comparing moderate drinkers to harder drug addicts.

So, yes, I will absolutely admit that alcohol does the most harm to this society, but this is only because of the fact that alcohol is the most widely used and available substance that's been around lately. It's not because of this alcohol substance itself-it's just some byproduct of alcohol's legal status. While I am discussing how alcohol should be classified, I'm not based this upon alcohol's overall harms that it does to this society. I'm simply basing it upon the risks to the individual users himself.

Mr. Scagnattie has stated that moderate drinking has a very low potential for addiction in comparison to those harder drugs.

Second of all, crystal meth causes liver damages also, just like alcohol. Heroin damages the kidneys, also.
 
I actually did do some research on how both alcohol and harder drugs affect the human's bodies. I researched the statistics about how many people die of cancer from drinking alcohol per year.
Lol do you expect us to aplaud you or some shit? Statistics are falsified and biaised all the time, especially in a matter like this. Of course when you search on site like dailymail what do you expect?
Okay that's true, but some people also die in some car accidents from smoking pot-does these statistics also make cannabis a harder drug?

Somebody only gets cirrhosis if they misuse alcohol and if they drink too much of it-you probably will not develop cirrhosis if you drink a little bit daily in moderation.
It depends on the individuals, just like some people smoke for 10 years and getcancer and some people smoke all their life and never get it. ANd ofthen the moderation is hard to maintain. The day you will meet some alcoholics you will shut the fuck up about alcohol.
Okay, from now on I will do this. I will compare alcoholics to harder drug addicts, instead of comparing moderate drinkers to harder drug addicts.

So, yes, I will absolutely admit that alcohol does the most harm to this society, but this is only because of the fact that alcohol is the most widely used and available substance that's been around lately. It's not because of this alcohol substance itself-it's just some byproduct of alcohol's legal status. While I am discussing how alcohol should be classified, I'm not based this upon alcohol's overall harms that it does to this society. I'm simply basing it upon the risks to the individual users himself.

Mr. Scagnattie has stated that moderate drinking has a very low potential for addiction in comparison to those harder drugs.

Second of all, crystal meth causes liver damages also, just like alcohol. Heroin damages the kidneys, also.
The leevel of bullshit in your posts is so high it aint even funny. Not everybody can moderate drink, the last fucking 4 pages moderate drinking moderate drinking moderate drinking you know what stuff it up your ignorant ass aight? LMAO also meth doesnt affect the liver, BULLSHIT AGAIN. You ar making a fool of yourself and pissing people off, when will you understand that no one want your so smart self in here? find another forum to talk your shit will you?
 
I'd honestly group hard alcohol (liquor) in with hard drugs if I had to choose. Especially when you look at all the negative sides of it along with addiction/dependence and such that come with excessive use. I'm not one to label things normally, but it's DEFINITELY not a soft drug. I would consider 'soft' alcohols (beer/wine/malt liquor/etc.) to be somewhat different from hard liquor though.
 
Last edited:
Lol do you expect us to aplaud you or some shit? Statistics are falsified and biaised all the time, especially in a matter like this. Of course when you search on site like dailymail what do you expect?

It depends on the individuals, just like some people smoke for 10 years and getcancer and some people smoke all their life and never get it. ANd ofthen the moderation is hard to maintain. The day you will meet some alcoholics you will shut the fuck up about alcohol.

The leevel of bullshit in your posts is so high it aint even funny. Not everybody can moderate drink, the last fucking 4 pages moderate drinking moderate drinking moderate drinking you know what stuff it up your ignorant ass aight? LMAO also meth doesnt affect the liver, BULLSHIT AGAIN. You ar making a fool of yourself and pissing people off, when will you understand that no one want your so smart self in here? find another forum to talk your shit will you?

The liver can handle small amounts of alcohol, first of all.

Second of all, crystal meth does cause damage to somebody's liver. Here's some evidence which supports this.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12136967

A 41-y-o Pakistani man presented with psychosis, hyperthermia, rhabdomyolysis, and liver dysfunction approximately 6 h after i.v. injection of methamphetamine. Serum concentrations of methamphetamine and amphetamine on admission were 0.30 microg/mL and 0.04 microg/mL, respectively. Total serum bilirubin and alanine aminotransferase concentrations peaked on the 3rd hospital day at 8.6 mg/dL and 4155 IU/L, respectively, and gradually returned to normal with supportive care. The patient had no evidence of infectious hepatitis or intake of other drugs. Histologic examination of a liver biopsy specimen obtained on the 11th d showed confluent necrosis and ballooning degeneration in centrilobular zones. No inflammatory changes were seen in portal tracts. Liver damage can be a complication of illicit methamphetamine use, even in patients without viral infection or intake of other drugs.
And also this.

http://neurorexia.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/methamphetamine-packs-a-one-two-punch/

Methamphetamine, or Meth, is a nasty drug. It’s long been known that long-term meth use can cause cognitive problems and neuronal death through a myriad of ways, such as increases in free radicals in the brain and inflammation. However, meth use can also lead to liver damage. Liver is one of the most important organs involved in detoxification – a decrease in liver function can cause the build up of toxic metabolites, such as ammonia from protein digestion. The researchers set out to test if this buildup of ammonia in the brain may also contribute to meth-induced neurotoxicity.

They first showed that a meth-binge of 4 injections in a day was enough to induce liver toxicity, and that this correlated with an increase in ammonia measured from both blood and the brain. They then showed that lactulose, a drug that can help the excretion of ammonia out of the body, can inhibit the increase in ammonia, but not the amount of meth that eventually ends up in the brain.

So is the ammonia actually doing anything? Meth is known to specifically damage the nerve terminals that have dopamine and serotonin. The extent of damage can be measured by how much each of those neurotransmitters are left in the brain – the more damage, the less chemicals. Indeed, a meth binge caused rats to have much lower levels of both dopamine and serotonin. However, if the rats were pre-treated with lactulose (and hence have lower levels of ammonia after meth-injections), the serotonin levels could be completely restored, while dopamine levels could be partially rescues. This seems to hint that peripheral ammonia is causing a loss in both dopamine and serotonin neuron function.

To further test this idea, researchers locally infused meth, ammonia, or both into the brain, and 7 days later, checked for brain damage. Surprisingly, neither meth nor ammonia alone produced significant dopamine and serotonin loss; however, when both were given together, the rats lost a significant amount of these nerve terminals.

The researchers next went to test how the combination of meth and ammonia is killing monoaminergic cells, and pointed to glutamate as the main culprit. Glutamate in the brain activates a type of receptor called AMPA; excessive AMPA receptor activation can lead to many intracellular processes that eventually kills the cells – this is called excitotoxicity. To see if glutamate is involved, the researchers added an AMPA receptor blocker to the meth and ammonia mix, and infused all three directly into the brain. Inhibiting the AMPA receptor was enough rescue the toxic effects of meth/ammonia given directly to the brain.

So what happens after a meth injection? The researchers binge-dosed rats on meth, and showed that this indeed leads not only to elevation of ammonia in the brain, but also an increase in glutamate levels, albeit slightly later. Furthermore, increased glutamate propelled activation of another protein called calpain, which is indicative of excitotoxicity. Finally, by pre-treating the rats with lactulose and lowering ammonia levels, the rats also showed lower glutamate levels and reduced neurotoxicity.

From these results, it’s clear that methamphetamine packs a one-two punch. Upon administration of the drug, meth goes to the brain where it injures dopamine and serotonin terminals directly. However, meth also goes to the liver for metabolism where it injures the liver and induces an acute increase in both blood and brain ammonia levels. Ammonia then works together with meth through increased glutamate and AMPA receptor activation to cause neuronal damage.

What this suggests is that if we can inhibit the liver damage caused by meth, we can reduce ammonia levels and at least partially reduce some of the damage to the brain. This is important as the liver is much more readily accessible to drug treatments than is the brain. While the precise mechanisms behind meth-induced liver damage is not yet known, the researchers think that pathways involved in hyperthermia-induced liver damage may be involved.
 
i always know where i stand with alcohol. even when overdoing it i know how its gonna pan out sort of. certainly more harmful than many 'recreational' drugs and the cause for lots of shit in society, but im still pleased is so easy to obtain.

candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker!
 
I gave Elven Warrior every advice on how to debate without looking like a dumbass and it looks like he didn't listen. He's either naive and have no idea on how the world works or he's a Troll Warrior to stir up anger in Bluelight. Ignores advice given to him and yet he copy pasta his own words without any reputable sources(I've seen him use identical if not the same posts in multiple threads). He's either naive(and that's putting it nicely) or just a troll

I'm actually starting to cite my sources and my facts from specific articles that I find, so yes, I am doing what you have told me to do beforehand.
 
I'm actually starting to cite my sources and my facts from specific articles that I find, so yes, I am doing what you have told me to do beforehand.
FUck your articles, fuck your opinion, fuck you attitude all right? Get off this forum crawl back to your hole and leave us the fuck alone,you nwever tried anything and you talk like you know everything. You dont. Fuck off.
The liver can handle small amounts of alcohol, first of all.

Second of all, crystal meth does cause damage to somebody's liver. Here's some evidence which supports this.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12136967


And also this.

http://neurorexia.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/methamphetamine-packs-a-one-two-punch/
Dude when are you going to fucking get it ,dickhead, that your opinion and fucking half assed statistics are not having any effect on anyone, because not like you most of us have actually TESTED the substances. How come i used to eat 20 ice pills in a row, and i never had any problems with my liver? BEcause your article state one case out of alot, ITS NOT THE CASE FOR EVERYONE. Do you understand that? are you seriously just mentally challenged? If thats the reason for your replies im sorry, i dont mean to insult people who are mentally challenged. Im not sarcastic at all, i udnerstand if its the case. But if youre not, then fuck you and your efforts to prove your bullshit is right and piss off everybody. Case accomplished with me, im sick and tired of your idiocy. Your article state what happens in soem individuals but its not a fucking side effect for everyone. Damn just how muxch effort you put into trolling BL? you really must have no life do you?
 
FUck your articles, fuck your opinion, fuck you attitude all right? Get off this forum crawl back to your hole and leave us the fuck alone,you nwever tried anything and you talk like you know everything. You dont. Fuck off.

Dude when are you going to fucking get it ,dickhead, that your opinion and fucking half assed statistics are not having any effect on anyone, because not like you most of us have actually TESTED the substances. How come i used to eat 20 ice pills in a row, and i never had any problems with my liver? BEcause your article state one case out of alot, ITS NOT THE CASE FOR EVERYONE. Do you understand that? are you seriously just mentally challenged? If thats the reason for your replies im sorry, i dont mean to insult people who are mentally challenged. Im not sarcastic at all, i udnerstand if its the case. But if youre not, then fuck you and your efforts to prove your bullshit is right and piss off everybody. Case accomplished with me, im sick and tired of your idiocy. Your article state what happens in soem individuals but its not a fucking side effect for everyone. Damn just how muxch effort you put into trolling BL? you really must have no life do you?

Obviously not every single meth user will have their livers destroyed. Just like how some alcoholics will end up lucky and they will not end up with cirrhosis.
 
I was over viewing this thread and realized that there is a popular misconception about Nicotine going around. Nicotine, is not carcinogenic. They have linked it with possible damage to the brain ONLY after 40 years of use.

The cancer causing substance in Tobacco is the smoke. Cancer - it's the smoke, heart disease - it's the smoke, respiratory disease - it's the smoke.

Nicotine has actually been linked to improved brain function and they believe Nicotine could be first line treatment of diseases such as "Schizophrenia" in the future.
 
I was over viewing this thread and realized that there is a popular misconception about Nicotine going around. Nicotine, is not carcinogenic. They have linked it with possible damage to the brain ONLY after 40 years of use.


Alright.. I'm bout to save some druggie's lives here (and yeah anyone here should know it's not the nicotine that kills you):

Give e-cigs a real chance. Some of you might have tried the shit they sell at gas stations, or tried your friends, but that's not what you're looking for. And it's not like with vaping weed where you really can't catch a good body stone; you can with vaping high-level nicotine, even more so than regular smokes.

I smoked a pack a day, did my research, wasn't even that interested in quitting smokes, got the high-nicotine content e-liquid, quality starter set...etc.. and I stopped smoking regular cigs ever since, been like 6 years. Only have had probably 50 cigs in that time, just when offered or if I run out of juice... To be fair though, I strictly vape on bubble gum cherry flavored nicotine (it's like vaping candy), I never liked the taste or feel of tobacco, but some really do, and there are better e-liquids out now that can mimic almost any brand quite well.

If you get the right kind, and learn how to hit them right (if you're an idiot, there's a learning curve) you WILL get a nice throat hit and a heavy nicotine buzz. The only thing you might miss is the oxygen deprivation high that only smoking anything can give you... but if you like it that much, just hold your fucking breathe.
 
Obviously not every single meth user will have their livers destroyed. Just like how some alcoholics will end up lucky and they will not end up with cirrhosis.
LOL congralutations! You repeat what i say not to look stupid, when you were saying the opposite before. Youre making progress!!! maybe you will start to accept the facts we give you?
Alright.. I'm bout to save some druggie's lives here (and yeah anyone here should know it's not the nicotine that kills you):

Give e-cigs a real chance. Some of you might have tried the shit they sell at gas stations, or tried your friends, but that's not what you're looking for. And it's not like with vaping weed where you really can't catch a good body stone; you can with vaping high-level nicotine, even more so than regular smokes.

I smoked a pack a day, did my research, wasn't even that interested in quitting smokes, got the high-nicotine content e-liquid, quality starter set...etc.. and I stopped smoking regular cigs ever since, been like 6 years. Only have had probably 50 cigs in that time, just when offered or if I run out of juice... To be fair though, I strictly vape on bubble gum cherry flavored nicotine (it's like vaping candy), I never liked the taste or feel of tobacco, but some really do, and there are better e-liquids out now that can mimic almost any brand quite well.

If you get the right kind, and learn how to hit them right (if you're an idiot, there's a learning curve) you WILL get a nice throat hit and a heavy nicotine buzz. The only thing you might miss is the oxygen deprivation high that only smoking anything can give you... but if you like it that much, just hold your fucking breathe.
I disagree,while it may work for soem, people, it definitly doesnt for me. I like too much the taste and the feel or real cigs. I love the taste of tobacco. Everyones different, but most of my friends who smoke despise them too. ALso they are way too expensive for what they are
 
LOL congralutations! You repeat what i say not to look stupid, when you were saying the opposite before. Youre making progress!!! maybe you will start to accept the facts we give you?
I disagree,while it may work for soem, people, it definitly doesnt for me. I like too much the taste and the feel or real cigs. I love the taste of tobacco. Everyones different, but most of my friends who smoke despise them too. ALso they are way too expensive for what they are

I don't see what the disagreement is about at all.

I was simply stating how SOME meth users will end up having liver problems, but not all of them. Just like with alcohol.

Yuck, cigarettes just smell so disgusting.
 
I don't see what the disagreement is about at all.

I was simply stating how SOME meth users will end up having liver problems, but not all of them. Just like with alcohol.

Yuck, cigarettes just smell so disgusting.

Are you kidding me? Or do you think we are all as stupid as you? You clearly said meth leads to liver problems like if everybody who does ice finishes with liver problems. Now when you saw you were wrong, you actually changed tactics and instead of repeating the same shit argument and backing it up with mroe useless statistics, you repeated what i said. The disagreement, tbh, is that you do not belong here, you dont know at ALL what your are arguing about, and your better then you druggies attittude is not welcome here. And also that alright, even when we give you a chance, every fucking time you are proved wrong (which is 99.9 % of hte time), you continue to repeat the same bullshit, you ignore it or change subjects. You are extremely misinformed and have jsut no bussiness arguing about something you dont understand and never experienced. Especialy when you cant accept youre wrong. On top of that you are extremely fucking infuriating, troll or not, I wouldve banned your ass like 10 times by now.

THis a harm reduction forum for drug users, do you understand that? If you come in here with your self righteous attitued that everyone is suicidal and stupid for getting high, you have no business being here. Go on a forum about fishing or something, i dont know and i dont care. Poor little baby, cigarettes smell so disgusting! i wasnt talking to you anyways, and you are probably the person on this forum i care less about his opinion. Get it? IDGAF about your opinion and what you think. Because you are obviously a little shit who takes pleasure in pissing people off. Please just do us a favor and dont come back on BL.
 
^ alcohol will destroy your ability to feel pleasure when you've destroyed your gaba receptors and are constantly anxious. withdrawal from gaba drugs is an extremely long process.

The GABA receptors isn't the part of the brain which produces dopamine, it's actually something else.

Does alcohol do what cocaine and heroin and crystal meth does, to the brain's dopamine productions?
 
Alcohol slightly releases dopamine.....I particularly notice it when the alcohol kicks in at about the 20-30 minute mark. I get an energized feeling like I would from amphetamines, but only for about 15 minutes, then it turns into a downer-type high IME
 
My original question was this. How badly does alcohol damage the brain's dopamine productions from long-term usage? Cocaine and crystal meth and heroin definitley do destroy the brain's pleasure producing chemicals to some extent, but how severely does alcohol do this, in comparison to some other drugs?
 
Alcohol definitely doesn't damage the DOPAMINE aspect of your brain NEARLY as much as stimulants like those. Alcohol is extremely toxic so it actually eats away at your organs and brains and can cause "wet brain" which is somewhat like mental retardation. But as far as dopamine, it definitely doesn't damage its production or whatever NEARLY as much as amphetamines, cocaine, cathinones, etc.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top