Bupe Day 5 off of suboxone and to be honest it is not as bad as everyone says (SUBJECTIVE)

[ChemicalSmiles]

WOW.. Gabapentin HELPS soooo much! The ONLY sympton left from sub I have .. is boredom during the day... and restless leg syndrome that literally is.. almost all day long.. but is helped by weed/gabapentin.. and when I use kratom it pretty much goes away completely...

I feel like the dosage of kratom im using is PERFECT.. and not causing any large addiction or anything I cant handle.. just think about this before you stay stop using kratom. I have kicked heroin, opana, and subutex now... kratom is the least of my worries. Its helping with my PAWS is the ONLY thing tha tworked.. to get me off subutex, and I recommend it .. like CRAZY.

The Super Bali Reserve... is some of the best ish around.. for the most opiate like high...

The maeng Da is much more stimulating, and im sensitive to that.. so I take small combos of the two, dosing higher on the Bali... (the maeng da is also stronger per gram than the bali.. but Icant handle as much.. and im pretty damn sure it raises my blood pressure a fair amount.) my shipment comes later today, hope all of you are clean still. Feel free to PM me.

 

[ChemicalSmiles]

How ya doing guys?

Ive started experimenting with kratom and found how much certain strains.. can vary...

Kratom is very good for different aches/pains... and just so many things.. It calms RLS . but definitely doesn't eliminate it...

Still dosing only once a day, and not using extracts.. as I was advised. Feeling great, and my sex life is better than ever... my sexual spirit was held back some from subutex.. Im such a confident person in bed.. just.. my sexual desires we're definitely held back before.. so glad to have the passionate relationship I have with my s/o

And she has been so supportive through this !

 

[detoxdiva]

How ya doing guys?

Ive started experimenting with kratom and found how much certain strains.. can vary...

Kratom is very good for different aches/pains... and just so many things.. It calms RLS . but definitely doesn't eliminate it...

Still dosing only once a day, and not using extracts.. as I was advised. Feeling great, and my sex life is better than ever... my sexual spirit was held back some from subutex.. Im such a confident person in bed.. just.. my sexual desires we're definitely held back before.. so glad to have the passionate relationship I have with my s/o

And she has been so supportive through this !

Just checking back in with everyone. I have been carrying on with life over here. I have had a few days of PAWS I think....Being a woman and having issues with depression in the past I am not sure if it's just hormones or just bits of depression that have nothing to do with subs. I think it has been about a month now. I got a new job and have to go for a drug test soon. It's crazy for once in my life not having to worry about it!! I am also moving soon and have a lot of good things happening in my life right now.
I just want to thank all of you who have posted on this board though out my journey. The support is so important and it's good to know we are not alone. I was not sure if this thread was even going to still be going, It was nice to see it still was! I hope others will read this and find some type of comfort and/or help with ideas of how to combat the pains of WD's.
On the sex issue, yes it is crazy how much more sexual you become when stopping subs. I actually did it twice in one night, when I was on subs this would of been an task and instead now I am so enjoying it! I want to have kids soon and it's just good not having to worry about getting pregnant while on subs. I feel as though I have closed a chapter of my book and I hope I never have to go back to that chapter of my life. For now I am just trying to stay busy and soon I hope that a day will go by where I don't have to think about how much energy I have or think about subs at all.

 

[manboychef]

Day four....this is terrible. I have missed honest smiles and not having to force laughter. Suboxone robbed me of this.

 

[detoxdiva]

Day four....this is terrible. I have missed honest smiles and not having to force laughter. Suboxone robbed me of this.

It does get better! Day 5/6 was a turn around day for me. After those days I started to feel better everyday. I know it's hard to believe but after day 5 the best I felt was when I was exercising.
Suboxone did the same to me, I was very cold (mentally) and had no emotion what so ever. I can say that if you stick with it, you will get this back. Although it sounds bad I have never cried so much, which is actually a good thing because I was just so numb, it was nice to have any emotion even it it was crying lol. The best of luck to you, don't forget to take the Imodium this really helps!!

 

[ChemicalSmiles]

Drank WAY too strong of kratom tea, and felt like I was dying for 7 hours, stomach wise.. and literally thought I would have to go to the hospital over the pain (but I knew it was JUST gas .. ) which it was.. so I didnt go, but had to sniff a 5 mg oxy though.. It was unbearable pain.. and am now only taken small doses of kratom in the morn and night now lol.

ffs that hurt ouchhh! Hurts thinking about it.

 

[manboychef]

I walked around the block twice yesterday....thank you bingo players...ur beats kept my feet moving.

 

[higher powered]

day 8 off suboxone feel fine apart from the snezzing have been able to go to work and even get some sleep a little over 3 weeks ago I had been on suboxone for over a year starting on 16 mgs a day and finally got down to 4mgs a day 3 weeks ago I did a rapid taper every day until I got down to .5 mgs no horror storys here

 

[detoxdiva]

day 8 off suboxone feel fine apart from the snezzing have been able to go to work and even get some sleep a little over 3 weeks ago I had been on suboxone for over a year starting on 16 mgs a day and finally got down to 4mgs a day 3 weeks ago I did a rapid taper every day until I got down to .5 mgs no horror storys here

Great to hear that!! I can't say it enough, it's really not that bad! keep it positive and eat right, get exercise and soon it will be a thing of the past! Congrats to you!

 

[manboychef]

You are a godsend. I've been walking farther and farther. I also painted a picture. Will post

 

[detoxdiva]

You are a godsend. I've been walking farther and farther. I also painted a picture. Will post

Do you notice that while you are exercising you feel almost normal or even really good? The harder I worked out the better I felt at that moment. After working out really hard though I would just crash for about 1 to 2 hours and then I would feel great! Just wondering if you had the same experience?

Update: So I think I am having PAWS, I picked up some L-Tyrosine 500mg from the health food store. It has made a huge difference in my mood!! For those who don't know what it is I tell you what it says on bottle:
it's a non-essential amino acid synthesized in the body from the essential amino acid phenylalanine. L-Tyrosine is the direct precursor to several important neurotransmitters, which effects many functions of the brain, including mood, stress response, mental function, satiety and SEX DRIVE. L-tyrosine is also an important component of hormones that are produced by the thyroid.

I picked up 90 capsules for 10 bucks so it is affordable too! Hope this helps!

 

[manboychef]

I can just get that supplement at the grocery store?

Yes I do feel pretty good after my morning walk, but I'm generally beyond spent afterwords. Today I made a list for myself and I'm hoping to at least get two thirds done.

 

[ChemicalSmiles]

Its been about 35 days with no sub.... still using kratom, different amounts each day....

Somewhat scared to stop the kratom.. but not really... sorta want to get off xanax all the way so my tolerance lowers... would be nice to be able to eat 2-3 valiums a day when I quit the kratom.. and actually FEEL them...

 

[AngelDevil31]

I was on it for almost a year. Started at around 26mg and slowly weaned down to 16mg over 9 months. The last 3 months I weaned down to 2mg, and then stopped taking it. The withdrawal was not nearly as intense as with heroin, but it was the length that killed me. It just went on and on and on and on......

I felt like I was at day 2 of heroin withdrawal for a week, and then at @ day 1.5 of heroin withdrawal for a month. And then maybe day 6 or 7 of heroin withdrawal for another 2 months. Then the post acute withdrawal lasted half a year (the physical part).

The worst physical symptom was restlessness. Those kicking legs kept me from getting any kind of a decent sleep for a long time, and I just found it impossible to be comfortable for about 4 months. Not even close to the intensity of heroin withdrawal, but the length of it, even though it was mild, made it worse for myself. I also was in rehab for 4 months during this time, and because I stopped taking it after a month of being there, they didn't allow me the privileges of those coming in and detoxing. Sitting through AA meetings was painful. I constantly wanted to just get up and sprint due to the restlessness. But at the same time, I was constantly exhausted, and wanted to sit down the second I got up to "run."

I was just waiting for it to get worse, so that it would get better. But it just stayed the same, which was arguably more frustrating. Especially because the symptoms were not nearly as visible to those around me, so I got no sympathy (most importantly from the doc giving out ativan to everyone else but me....since the w/d were "over"....... lol.)

P.S. I agree, exercise is the BEST thing for the lingering withdrawal. Especially the restlessness and the depression/anxiety. I was able to take a nap after doing heavy weights. Sometimes.

Also, I will add that my withdrawal was probably more frustrating because I was in rehab during the majority of it, and had to sit still in groups and meetings for the majority of the day. Kratom is also a no-no in rehab

But keep it up man. It is so great to be free from it.

Come on .......4-5 months?! this is ridiculous. I feel that is TOTALLY mental. I kicked 80mg / 4 yr methadone habit in less time than that. I took subs for 3 months after getting of the methadone & tapered from 2MG down to .25mg and had NO withdrawal what so ever!! I am not saying anyone is lying but a little exageration maybe??

 

[detoxdiva]

I can just get that supplement at the grocery store?

Yes I do feel pretty good after my morning walk, but I'm generally beyond spent afterwords. Today I made a list for myself and I'm hoping to at least get two thirds done.

Yes you can get it at a HEALTH FOOD store. Be careful if you go to a grocery store because there is another supplement called L-Lysine which is not the same thing! I went to CVS and grocery stores and this is what I found and almost bought it, but it's not the same thing. If you don't have a health food store near you GNC should carry it too.
How many days has it been for you off of subs? Very proud of you for taking the leap and actually doing it!! It's not easy but it get's easier every day and week. After about a month off of them for me, there has been days I don't even think about it!

 

[detoxdiva]

Come on .......4-5 months?! this is ridiculous. I feel that is TOTALLY mental. I kicked 80mg / 4 yr methadone habit in less time than that. I took subs for 3 months after getting of the methadone & tapered from 2MG down to .25mg and had NO withdrawal what so ever!! I am not saying anyone is lying but a little exageration maybe??

Yes I agree on you with this, I know that everyone has a different experience. I started this thread because of this exact reason: many people make it seem like it's hell getting off these things and I really don't think it is. It's not great but definitively doable. Of course the more you can tapper the better it will be for you when you get off. I was only able to taper to 2mg before I just said fuck it and went for it!
Another reason why I started this thread is that you always hear about ppl's experience when they are in the thick of WD's but they almost never come back to tell their success story or the good things about being free from subs. I think it's important for people to know there is light at the end of the tunnel. If I can share my experience, and the others who have posted on this thread, I know it will help a great deal of people

 

[detoxdiva]

Ok this is a weird question but has anyone had an issue with having to pee all the time when getting off suboxone? I never use to get up during the night to pee now I have to do it twice a night. Also during the day I feel the same urgency, even sometimes when nothing comes out, or very little. I already made sure I did not have an UTI, but I have noticed this all started when is started detox off of subs, anyone with same experience?

 

[shimazu]

I didn't even know how expensive Subs were even legally until someone I know well got on them

I don't understand how you can call yourself clean while being on subs

like you aren't doing dope (or your opiate of choice w/e), there's a difference

it's still an expensive habit

 

[detoxdiva]

I didn't even know how expensive Subs were even legally until someone I know well got on them

I don't understand how you can call yourself clean while being on subs

like you aren't doing dope (or your opiate of choice w/e), there's a difference

it's still an expensive habit

Who here is saying they are clean while on subs? this is a thread about getting off of them, most people who have posted are no longer on subs, or trying not to be.
About the price, the difference is when you get a 8mg sub for 15-20 bucks (one pill), for me it would last almost a week. Which is deff cheaper then spending 20 on an 30mg oxy and needing 5 of them a day to be normal.
The reason why subs work, in my opinion is because when you take some, weather it's 16mg or 2mg you can't get high on other opioids for about 3 days. This would mean that a addict would literally have to plan to get high, which let's face it, it does not work like that. For some people it's a real life saver and tool that they use to get their life back in order. While I admit it's not the answer, it's deff a stepping stone to getting clean for many people.

 

[shimazu]

I think people are taking doses that are too high tbh

if you can stretch 8mg out over a week than yeah, that's great

and of course you'll get the people saying "you don't know my habit or where im at right now"

and it's like you're right, I don't, but at the same time I know you are just delaying the inevitable and it's a lot easier to deal with a week of feeling like shit than half a year of feeling just dead