So my first time wasn't great, is it too soon to try again?

[R3PTIL3]

Okay, so last Tuesday (it's now sunday, so had about 5 days recovery) I couldn't get hold of any bud and had some money to spare so ended up buying a gram of MDMA. When I got home (after smoking a joint) I split the gram into 8 lines the same size, left two of them out and poured the rest back into the bag. Then I proceeded to bomb one of those lines after which I didn't really feel anything... I waited about 45 mins before deciding nothing was gonna happen (I know, bad idea, but it was my first time and I was a complete novice) and snorting the second line (in a series of small lines - probably about 4 - split from that one main one)...

Anyway, needless to say I soon started coming up and everything started feeling really good, was really getting into TV and just any sounds and sort of stimuli were just... Ecstasy!
As I was still coming up I smoked a bowl (possibly two, can't really remember) and all I remember is how amazing outside looked when I went out and how amazing it felt to rip a cone from my bong...

Not long after smoking I was on the sofa and everything was a bit too intense, I started to lose my sense of 'control' and there was a massive sense of dissociativeness and like I couldn't get any thoughts together / there was a lag between thinking and doing. It started to scare me and I think my anxiety kicked in and I really started debating calling an ambulance, before finally deciding to just lie down in bed and try and sleep it off... Ended up just lying there for hours feeling really weird and just biting down as hard as I could on my teeth - occasionally going out for another cone in the hope it would help me sleep (which it eventually did hours later)

I managed to successfully fap though both while rolling (despite hearing that finishing is hard while rolling) and the next day when I was feeling like shite which sortta surprised me and so I'm thinking it didn't affect my Seratonin that much?

The next day I had pretty dull headache all day, felt quite 'weak' and overall like I really wanted to sleep (pretty much like when you've got bad cold / flu), but no overwhelming depression or like I wanted to kill myself or anything! I didn't really eat / have any desire to eat all day after either, but eating dinner in the evening managed to get rid of my headache and made me feel a lot better I have to say!

Anyway, 'coz it didn't go quite how I'd have liked at all I really wanna try and take some more again tonight to see if I can have a positive experience! Would it be too soon waiting 5 days to roll again and is it likely that the comedown will be much worse if I do it again ('coz I'm gonna have to sit on the train for a couple hours and got the dentist haha)? Thanks!

 

[Mr.MDxx]

5 days between rolls is definitely not advised. There seems to be a general rule floating around the internet that if you put about 1 month in between rolls you will minimize most negative effects of the drug but not all...

1000mg/8 = 125mg

125mg x 2 = 250mg

That is quite the dose, I normally dose about 120mg for a night plus 60mg for a booster. But I rarely take that booster.

I would suggest that you wait a minimum of one full month before you try again. On a side note have you tested it to make sure that it is indeed MDMA? You can buy testing reagents at dancesafe.org or eztest.com...

Your comedown seems quite usual from what I've read and what not, I've had similar ones just minus the headache. Just eat healthy and get some exercise and you'll be good.

A few things to note are that for the jaw clenching, try chewing some gum or similar products to reduce damage to your teeth. And Serotonin wise you most likely used up a majority of it with that kind of dose so rolling again in 5 days might not get you the effects you are looking for and the comedown could be much worse.



If you have any more questions please feel free to ask here or you could shoot me a pm.

 

[Mazzab]

^this

 

[R3PTIL3]

5 days between rolls is definitely not advised. There seems to be a general rule floating around the internet that if you put about 1 month in between rolls you will minimize most negative effects of the drug but not all...

1000mg/8 = 125mg

125mg x 2 = 250mg

That is quite the dose, I normally dose about 120mg for a night plus 60mg for a booster. But I rarely take that booster.

I would suggest that you wait a minimum of one full month before you try again. On a side note have you tested it to make sure that it is indeed MDMA? You can buy testing reagents at dancesafe.org or eztest.com...

Your comedown seems quite usual from what I've read and what not, I've had similar ones just minus the headache. Just eat healthy and get some exercise and you'll be good.

A few things to note are that for the jaw clenching, try chewing some gum or similar products to reduce damage to your teeth. And Serotonin wise you most likely used up a majority of it with that kind of dose so rolling again in 5 days might not get you the effects you are looking for and the comedown could be much worse.



If you have any more questions please feel free to ask here or you could shoot me a pm.

Hmm yeah, that's what I've been concerned about (especially seeing as I've gotta get a train / bus for hours tomorrow and won't have any weed for the comedown) :/

Would a smaller dose (maybe 50mg's) be effective at feeling anything tonight / with a less harsh come down tomorrow or would it just not do anything and be a waste of good Mandy? haha

 

[Mr.MDxx]

Personally I think i would be a waste. You might not even feel that little dose since you've taken a decently large dose within the last week, I'm not to sure about that. I would just wait it out for a month then try again, but this time only take one of the 8 lines you made orally.

I know you think it might be hard waiting but as long as you are doing something with your life (aka working, going to school) to keep your mind off doing MDMA you're set. I haven't done any since march 15th, for some people that seems like a long time for others it seems like a short period of time to not do the drug.

One thing that always keeps me motivated to not dose MDMA to frequently is that the longer you wait between rolls the better they are.

 

[JWills20]

Hmm yeah, that's what I've been concerned about (especially seeing as I've gotta get a train / bus for hours tomorrow and won't have any weed for the comedown) :/

Would a smaller dose (maybe 50mg's) be effective at feeling anything tonight / with a less harsh come down tomorrow or would it just not do anything and be a waste of good Mandy? haha

When I was reading your story I firstly thought - he probably didn't consume MDMA. Then I read this post and realise your from the UK and brought 'Mandy' which made more sense. First of all, mandy is, very frequently, MDMA and so I don't doubt that you did consume MDMA, but, it is not guaranteed without a test kit (as a previous poster mentioned, here's where you can buy one http://EZtest.com). Secondly, perhaps you didn't feel much from the first line was because the dose was small. While Mr. MDxx devised his estimated dosage through an actual gram divided by 8, mandy very rarely weighs a gram. In fact, the most MDMA I received, when purchasing a 'gram', was 760mg and it is often 700mg. If you did have 700mg, then divided by 8 would leave you with about 87mg which is quite a low dose. However, doubling that would equal a rather large dose (174mg) especially for a newbie.

You should be aiming for 1.5mg/kg (so for me, weighing 80kg, I dose 120mg) and thus I highly recommend a set of mg scales. I brought a pair off Amazon for like £20 - money well spent.

Regarding your plans for a future roll, it is recommended that you moderate MDMA consumption a lot more than other drugs. This is because many argue that the Serotonin system is fragile and thus unable to easily recover from the effects of MDMA. As a result, it is regularly suggested that you wait a minumum of one month, ranging to 3 months. However, since you're pretty new to it, you'll probably be fine and should still feel strong effects if you weigh up a good dose. Just don't make a habit of it.

 

[Clocktower]

Yeah, it's too soon. You need to put 1-3 months between MDMA doses, any less and you risk damaging your brain's serotonin system. Also, buy a test kit to make sure your product is MDMA and buy a milligram scale to properly weigh your dose. Not doing either of those things is tempting fate!

 

[R3PTIL3]

When I was reading your story I firstly thought - he probably didn't consume MDMA. Then I read this post and realise your from the UK and brought 'Mandy' which made more sense. First of all, mandy is, very frequently, MDMA and so I don't doubt that you did consume MDMA, but, it is not guaranteed without a test kit (as a previous poster mentioned, here's where you can buy one http://EZtest.com). Secondly, perhaps you didn't feel much from the first line was because the dose was small. While Mr. MDxx devised his estimated dosage through an actual gram divided by 8, mandy very rarely weighs a gram. In fact, the most MDMA I received, when purchasing a 'gram', was 760mg and it is often 700mg. If you did have 700mg, then divided by 8 would leave you with about 87mg which is quite a low dose. However, doubling that would equal a rather large dose (174mg) especially for a newbie.

You should be aiming for 1.5mg/kg (so for me, weighing 80kg, I dose 120mg) and thus I highly recommend a set of mg scales. I brought a pair off Amazon for like £20 - money well spent.

Regarding your plans for a future roll, it is recommended that you moderate MDMA consumption a lot more than other drugs. This is because many argue that the Serotonin system is fragile and thus unable to easily recover from the effects of MDMA. As a result, it is regularly suggested that you wait a minumum of one month, ranging to 3 months. However, since you're pretty new to it, you'll probably be fine and should still feel strong effects if you weigh up a good dose. Just don't make a habit of it.

Okay so I've left it so its exactly a week after I last took it. I'm quite tempted to take some tonight as I hadn't really noticed any adverse effets from last time (except for the day / two days immediately after I took it) other than slightly worse short term memory, but I didn't feel depressed or anything and if anything felt better about myself than before I'd taken it. Today I'm feeling a bit weird though, like I can't get my head clear and return to proper sober reality, but I'm not sure if that's related or just the fact I smoked a couple bowls already today and I'm just feeling burnt out...

I'm thinking I might take ~100mg's tonight and see what happens, but not sure whether to bomb it or rail it as I'll have to eat dinner with my family at about 5:30 - 6pm and would ideally like to start rolling asap after that (my parents should be out overnight) so I'm not up ALL night at least haha

 

[JWills20]

Okay so I've left it so its exactly a week after I last took it. I'm quite tempted to take some tonight as I hadn't really noticed any adverse effets from last time (except for the day / two days immediately after I took it) other than slightly worse short term memory, but I didn't feel depressed or anything and if anything felt better about myself than before I'd taken it. Today I'm feeling a bit weird though, like I can't get my head clear and return to proper sober reality, but I'm not sure if that's related or just the fact I smoked a couple bowls already today and I'm just feeling burnt out...

I'm thinking I might take ~100mg's tonight and see what happens, but not sure whether to bomb it or rail it as I'll have to eat dinner with my family at about 5:30 - 6pm and would ideally like to start rolling asap after that (my parents should be out overnight) so I'm not up ALL night at least haha

I've been taking MDMA occassionally for over a year and a half now. I've never felt depressed afterwards, usually the opposite. Usually my short term memory is not as functional just like yourself, however, the weed definitely won't assist short term memory.

Regarding tonight, I'd recommend bombing it. If you've eaten, it will just mean a longer comeup, but you should be ready to sleep 6-7 hours post consumption.

 

[R3PTIL3]

I've been taking MDMA occassionally for over a year and a half now. I've never felt depressed afterwards, usually the opposite. Usually my short term memory is not as functional just like yourself, however, the weed definitely won't assist short term memory.

Regarding tonight, I'd recommend bombing it. If you've eaten, it will just mean a longer comeup, but you should be ready to sleep 6-7 hours post consumption.

How long do those symptoms last for you really? 'Coz seeing as this will only be the second time I'm really tempted to try it tonight, but I'm kindda worried about the fact it's only been a week and obviously don't wanna do anything that could permanently effect me... However, I really wanna have just one good trip at home before I'll feel comfortable taking it at a rave / festival

If I do it tonight, then wait probably a month and a half ('till Reading or Wireless festival) before doing it again and then not again this year will it effect me much? (I know you obviously can't say yes or no, but prior experience is useful as fuark)

 

[R3PTIL3]

Okay, so it's about 10pm now and I dropped a bomb of what I'm gonna GUESS was about 50 - 60 mg's at about 7:24pm. Over the last 2 and a half hours I've been feeling quite uncomfortable, quite 'up' but like I really cba to do anything so I'm just lying on my sofa (similar to the stoned feeling kindda). Been feeling a lot of anxiety (at times overwhelming) and uncomfortableness for a long time, pupils have been dilated for a while now but not getting any of the 'expected' sensations such as euphoria or anything. Only feeling quite strange and slightly rushed, no teeth clenching, no euphoria etc.

It's from exactly the same bag of Mandy that I took last time so I'm not sure what to believe. Is this likely a tolerance issue / having taken some too recently / not taken enough this time? I'm assuming seeing as this is only my second time ever I probably haven't lost the magic and that this is due to doing it too often and not giving my seratonin enough time to replenish?

Also I keep getting the urge to go for a piss quite badly and just had to go for a shit (TMI, but I've heard the metabolism of MDMA can cause the need for urination and also to empty the bowels in some cases)

What's going on? Starting to get the anxiety under control now, but still feeling quite unusual to say the least and wishing I could just smoke a bowl to feel 'normal' again, but really don't wanna intensify any negative effects...

Also as you can probably tell, I'm still extremely 'conscious' and articulated and can form clear conscious thoughts, despite feeling quite unusual. Is this symptomatic of MDMA?

 

[Folley]

^ That's about what 50mg will do to you, underdoses can be very uncomfortable. Don't take more, it will do literally nothing. Once I took like 60mg thinking it was 150mg and tried redosing 100mg later when I realized it. that second dose did almost nothing even though it was twice as much... just put on some music, smoke a bowl or do a shot and chill out.


Don't take MDMA unless you plan on full out rolling, and don't go on a full on roll any more than once a month. If you get into a habit of dosing like you are now, you're not going to have those magical first experiences everyone talks about and go straight to the part AFTER the honeymoon stage.

 

[R3PTIL3]

^ That's about what 50mg will do to you, underdoses can be very uncomfortable. Don't take more, it will do literally nothing. Once I took like 60mg thinking it was 150mg and tried redosing 100mg later when I realized it. that second dose did almost nothing even though it was twice as much... just put on some music, smoke a bowl or do a shot and chill out.


Don't take MDMA unless you plan on full out rolling, and don't go on a full on roll any more than once a month. If you get into a habit of dosing like you are now, you're not going to have those magical first experiences everyone talks about and go straight to the part AFTER the honeymoon stage.

Fuck man yeah I'm gonna wait a couple months before rolling again, definitely, getting the sick 'eurgh' feeling associated with a comedown coming on quite strong now and just smoked a bowl which admittedly did make me feel a lot better but starting to feel increasingly depressed and irritable so yeah, gonna be a whilee before I do this again haha

 

[JWills20]

Okay, so it's about 10pm now and I dropped a bomb of what I'm gonna GUESS was about 50 - 60 mg's at about 7:24pm. Over the last 2 and a half hours I've been feeling quite uncomfortable, quite 'up' but like I really cba to do anything so I'm just lying on my sofa (similar to the stoned feeling kindda). Been feeling a lot of anxiety (at times overwhelming) and uncomfortableness for a long time, pupils have been dilated for a while now but not getting any of the 'expected' sensations such as euphoria or anything. Only feeling quite strange and slightly rushed, no teeth clenching, no euphoria etc.

It's from exactly the same bag of Mandy that I took last time so I'm not sure what to believe. Is this likely a tolerance issue / having taken some too recently / not taken enough this time? I'm assuming seeing as this is only my second time ever I probably haven't lost the magic and that this is due to doing it too often and not giving my seratonin enough time to replenish?

Also I keep getting the urge to go for a piss quite badly and just had to go for a shit (TMI, but I've heard the metabolism of MDMA can cause the need for urination and also to empty the bowels in some cases)

What's going on? Starting to get the anxiety under control now, but still feeling quite unusual to say the least and wishing I could just smoke a bowl to feel 'normal' again, but really don't wanna intensify any negative effects...

Also as you can probably tell, I'm still extremely 'conscious' and articulated and can form clear conscious thoughts, despite feeling quite unusual. Is this symptomatic of MDMA?

My symptoms are usually gone within a day, of which they're very mild anyway, barely noticeable. Taking low doses can be uncomfortable yeah. I've tried lower doses and you feel weird, a bit anxious and then it just goes and you feel like you're barely rolling but not sober. Then again, once I took 40mg (accidently took the redose first - doh!) and actually felt euphoria and a mini roll, but it was short-lived and not intense. You need a larger dose to 'break through' as I like to term it. The comeup can be a bit ragged but once you're there it's just bliss.

Tbh, if you only dosed 50-60mg you barely rolled anyway, so your serotonin receptors have barely shifted from homeostasis and thus you'd probably be fine to roll again soon. Like I said, the key to enjoying MDMA is testing your product (to ensure its legitamacy) and weighing up the right dose. If you wish to consume MDMA for a while, then you should not make a habit of regular consumption. Many here suggest 1 month minimum which I've stuck to and beyond, often waiting over 3 months. However, I feel that 1 month is, probably, excessive and 2-3 weeks would be fine. Then again, i've never actually taken it that frequently I just think this forum can overexaggerate at times.

Just an EDIT: My first times taking MDMA were at a rave and I feel like it is a good place. The music and lights help you to keep occupied and relax. For me, I found it more comfortable than in a home environment, but, that's entirely up to you.

 

[R3PTIL3]

My symptoms are usually gone within a day, of which they're very mild anyway, barely noticeable. Taking low doses can be uncomfortable yeah. I've tried lower doses and you feel weird, a bit anxious and then it just goes and you feel like you're barely rolling but not sober. Then again, once I took 40mg (accidently took the redose first - doh!) and actually felt euphoria and a mini roll, but it was short-lived and not intense. You need a larger dose to 'break through' as I like to term it. The comeup can be a bit ragged but once you're there it's just bliss.

Tbh, if you only dosed 50-60mg you barely rolled anyway, so your serotonin receptors have barely shifted from homeostasis and thus you'd probably be fine to roll again soon. Like I said, the key to enjoying MDMA is testing your product (to ensure its legitamacy) and weighing up the right dose. If you wish to consume MDMA for a while, then you should not make a habit of regular consumption. Many here suggest 1 month minimum which I've stuck to and beyond, often waiting over 3 months. However, I feel that 1 month is, probably, excessive and 2-3 weeks would be fine. Then again, i've never actually taken it that frequently I just think this forum can overexaggerate at times.

Just an EDIT: My first times taking MDMA were at a rave and I feel like it is a good place. The music and lights help you to keep occupied and relax. For me, I found it more comfortable than in a home environment, but, that's entirely up to you.

Okay so it's been exactly two weeks since I first did 250mg's (roughly) of MDMA and exactly one week since I took a further around 50mg's (roughly) of MDMA. What I'm wondering is, a few questions to be honest:
a) Would it be okay for me to roll again this week considering last time I underdosed and the time before I took quite a large amount (for my body size / weight) (gonna be going round a friends, so not like I'm just sitting on my own freaking out and having anxiety attacks
b) Next time I roll how should I measure out 100 mg's considering I have no accurate method of knowing exactly how much is in the bag?
c) If I end up either under / over dosing / feeling uncomfortable, I have a load of valium (which apparently are 20mg each, but im not sure about that), co-dydramol and got no bud currently (in the event I decide to roll tonight out of boredom) would this be suitable for the comedown?