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PRISM stuffs

Ceres said:
yeah I read that arstechnica thing.

Local authojrities is a bit of a misnomer, given weve just beentold we are getting universally spied on by the americans and they are sharing the info with our intelligence services ;P Jurisdiction becomes less of an issue.

I'm not a fan of whole disk encryption, overkill and prone to failure. The chip you are talking about is a trusted platform module. The thing is, it's in your laptop, and a pain in the neck to remove and store away from it ;)

Passphrases can be collected in all sorts of imaginative ways.

VOIP session initiation protocol is as easy to intercept as your mobile phone call setup which youre referring to as metadata. Calls are easy to intercept to as is data.

Your VPN may not be as secure as you think.
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Not all areas are covered by PRISM and there are many areas that don't share intelligence.
I am a fan of whole disk encryption and when it has failed (once) I remembered about backups.
Passphrase's can indeed be collected in imaginative ways, especially if you have lost control of your device.
VOIP + ZRTP = a much more difficult mathematical problem to solve.
My VPN is as secure as I think, as I set it up. It's under my control and uses OpenVPN. Doesn't mean its infallible, but much better than not using it. Again, too much of a headache for anyone to poke around any further.
 
Ceres said:
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as you can see , PRISM is pretty extensive ;)
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A pretty picture only. Of course, people from all over the world use US based services like FB, Google etc and are susceptible to this kind of surveillance. If I were to make a colour chart of services provided by US companies usage by country it would probably look exactly like that. PRISM can't collect metadata from services not under the control of US corps or affiliated companies. The data has to flow through the US.

Smear campaigns are the first sign that this leak hurts ;)
 
Does anyone know of any good links that contain references and backed up statements that explain the importance in actually taking an interest in this if you are highly involved in security and believe that the whole 'if I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't be worried' thing is enough of a reason for this to be allowed and actually how deep this whole thing goes and the lies that have been told.
 
xTalK said:
Does anyone know of any good links that contain references and backed up statements that explain the importance in actually taking an interest in this if you are highly involved in security and believe that the whole 'if I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't be worried' thing is enough of a reason for this to be allowed and actually how deep this whole thing goes and the lies that have been told.
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hrmn ... will have a looksee to see if I can find any directly relevant links for you xTalk.

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In other Ed from todays Guardian ...

GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians' communications at G20 summits. Exclusive: phones were monitored and fake internet cafes set up to gather information from allies in London in 2009

Dunno what to feel about the above article really. what's to gain from revealing details like this? will this have an effect on our relationship with those allies or not? and if so, is revealing this kind of info of such fundamental importance that it's worth the potential negative fallout?

Pretty similar question to xTalKs really, except I don't subscribe to the whole 'if I'm not doing anything wrong, I shouldn't be worried mindset', which I'm very much in disagreement with really ...

hrnm ... so, why do I want to know this new information? this new info release tests my belief in full disclosure. I dunno what the aim of The Guardian is with it ... selling papers is always key, but they normally have a decent political/fundamental backbone to their motivation with such stories ... this doesn't feel like that. The spying thing doesn't attack my fundamental rights, and I can't see how such a reveal is going to lead to an improvement in the way allied countries respect each others privacy .. hrmn .. maybe it might open the way for discussions on such a thing between them? .. clutching at straws for some positives here really (other than 'full disclosure' seeming like a good policy to follow).

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Eh ... full disclosure of our political workings is a good enough reason ... no 'seemingly' about it. It's totally necessary for good core fundamentals to be upheld.

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Eeek, Guardian is offline now? Meh, hope they haven't come under major shit for this, the Grauniad is my homepage. They've published some shit hot investigations this year, particularly looking into tax evasion and tracking business money interests.
 
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How many people here are happy to deal drugs over the phone? Most people I know are rightly hesitant to openly discuss drugs via text let alone via voice calls. It's just accepted that police have the potential to tap, record and use such communications. So why is it suddenly surprising that the internet is suddenly not secure?

It is a war on drugs folks, there are no rules, it is be smart or be caught. If you don't have anything to arrested for you are fine, if you do, then learn to play the game.The powers who want, won't give up but that doesn't mean all is lost. Evolution is the key. Some years you will be ahead of them, then they will catch up. It's sad that the good times are coming to a end but if they start to rely too much on these types of measures it makes it difficult to become a target when you suddenly drop off the grid.
 
Ceres said:
you have no security and I am absolutely loving watching people running scared wondering what the extent of all this is.
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Are people actually running scared? Who will feel threatened by this info being monitored ? ... Tech companies, because of how it affects their userbase and traffic maybe? and organised crime, I guess.
 
Facebook said they recieved between 9,000-10,000 requests from the US for information on peoples accounts, ranging from "local crime, missing persons and all the way up to terrorism". I think this was over a year period
 
I saw this on a producers facebook page today, it cracked me up!

my contract with t mobile expired recently, so i called them 2day to cut the line. they asked what they could do to improve the service and keep me on, so i told them to put a clause in the contract that sais they cant sell/give any of my phone calls they record to 3rd partys including mi5, nsa, cia etc and i might consider staying. i told them im a phone sex operator and i charge by the minute, and i dont approve of people eves dropping and gettin a freebie.......... they couldnt comply lol http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/10/white-house-nsa-leaks-edward-snowden
 
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pretty fucking random - but apparently the phone companies arent making much money on new customers now, as everyone pretty much now has a phone. thus its contract retention where their efforts are focused. you wield an incredible (okay.. a tad overstated perhaps) amount of power at this stage - and can get surprising concessions fairly easily. best way of going about it is finding another company you want to move to - tell them this.. and take the fucking piss, £10 off your monthly bill, extra minutes, extra data.. whatever. at worst all they can say is no, but they will bend over backwards to keep you. try it, we're all too fucking polite over here. well, not me.. but you get my point



also - am i going crazy, has the matrix farted.. or was this thread on five pages a few days ago :?
 
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