So how does one go about getting the fumarate ready for vaping and at what doses? Are these group of chemicals (4-aco-xxx) bad to vaporize?
For oral consumption: is the freebase or the fumarate preferable?
Interesting! Is 4-AcO-DMT disappointingly weak on it's own for you? This combo is intriguing me.I had a pretty intense experience with this stuff on Tuesday. It was actually a 4-ho-mipt/4-aco-dmt combo, but I think the 4-aco-dmt was the dominating character of the trip.
I started out with 25mg of 4-ho-mipt orally. It was pretty disappointingly weak (I seem to be a hardhead when it comes to tryptamines specifically) so I snorted another 12mg of the stuff. Stronger, but still not where I wanted to be, I then snorted 17mg of 4-aco-dmt (probably at around t + 1 hr or so). After this the intensity ramped up quite a bit within about 15 minutes.
The trip soon became overwhelming. The visuals were quite strong, to the point where they were making me a bit dizzy, and they were rather unlike the kind of visuals I'm used to experiencing on tryptamines (in fact, they rather reminded me of the visuals that I experienced on DOI). No nausea was experienced, but I did start to become subject to many dysphoric and confusing thought loops. I also wasn't in the best setting, as I was tripping with someone who had also taken 4-ho-mipt that was experiencing a lot of anxiety, which was definitely agitating my state. Luckily, I was able to keep what was going on mostly in my head, so as to not exacerbate his difficulty.
Finally, I had to just snort a fat line of MDMA to smooth things out (stimulants seem to kill trips for me quite effectively, for whatever reason; it's why candy flips have never been that appealing to me) because it was difficult to keep things together around my friend. After that I had a great time, although I was just rolling and not really tripping anymore.
So i was just reading a thread about how people think lemon tek'd psilo's are cleaner feeling, since the psilocybin is already De-phosphorylated into psilocin, and gets into your system/brain faster, peaks sooner, and several people said they vastly prefer the lemon tek to dried/fresh psilos.
And that made me think about 4-aco-dmt, and how a lemon tek procedure on a dose of 4-aco would turn out. Sounds like a golden idea to me if breaking off the acetoxy group is just as easy with lemon juice, or in essence simple acid catalyzed cleaving to the hydroxy, psilocin.
Any one tried this?
Does it matter what dilute food safe acid you use?
Could you do it simply with a glass of hot water, a dose of 4-aco, and a bit of a food safe acid (lemon juice, vinegar, citric acid, maleic acid, tartaric acid, ascorbic acid, fumaric acid, etc, etc)?
I'm itching to try it, and probably will. But just wondering if anyone beat me to the punch here, or has anything to say about the idea.
Interesting! Is 4-AcO-DMT disappointingly weak on it's own for you? This combo is intriguing me.
I can tell you pure psilocin orally administered comes on within 5 minutes and by 15 minutes in, the effects are pretty developed. I used to grow mushrooms, many strains...and though I am not sure if the strains I had were mostly psilocybin or psilocin...I can say no mushrooms ever hit as fast as the pure compound.
4-AcO-DMT certainly does not require being metabolized to psilocin for it to be active, it works on its own and it's pretty different. I'd love to do a blind test, I am positive i could tell the difference.
Well, he said normally he took it in a capsule. The 4-HO-DMT idea is pretty plausible to me, 4-AcO-DMT was really light to me but I've never done 4-HO-DMT.^ Well this is only speculation, but if it was dark and gooey the compound could have possibly have been degraded into 4-ho-dmt? A lot of people seem to find it superior, although if the come up time was longer than this probably isn't the case.
Yes u are right. I took 17mg with some juice and it worked exactly after 20 minutes. Im using off white pure powder. Normally i always took it in a capsule and it took 1 hour to work. Also the low 17mg dose was a surprisingly nice trip. A higher dose (30+mg) is not better for me. Im gonna keep it around 20mgs for a while.
One thing i miss is the intense euphoria. I always had it with a few other batches (dark goey stuff) but whit this white clean powder i never have it. Is it the stuff or is it because its only the first few times u use 4-aco-dmt u get the euphoria. The white stuff is very nice tough. A clean and linear trip.