bloodshed344
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Nothing besides pupil dilation in my experience.
The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread (part 2) ver. "My skin feels like lightning"
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Nothing besides pupil dilation in my experience.
so i am interested in trying this chemical, but can only get blotters, what would be the best method to try ? i am a bit apprehensive about trying even 500mcg! I hear it is quite clear headed at the lower levels, what were peoples experiences on 1mg+? wud i be best sublingually taking half of a 1mg blotter and see how i get on?
Bigazznugz
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Youll be fine with 500ugs if it is your first I mean you have no tolerance issues meaning you haven't taken any triptamines or peas latley
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I must add this I think this drug is very special I took lsd when I was 14 nd Ifound itto be life changing, im 26 now and before I took this compound I was very depressed probably from being on methadone for 5+ years and knowing how hard it is y to detox.b but since. Taking 25c my depRession had subsided dramatically and my social anxiety disorder is 90 percent gone. though I wish though I wish that it would help out a little more with creative thinking. thoughknow I can't find real LSD or the mushrooms at the moment so it is not as strong as acid but if you want to trip and I'll still do it legally at the same time it this is very comparable and acid just no head fuck but as an easy and legal drugs to get that gives you a beautiful trip I love it its absolutely worth it
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A friend gave me 4 750mcg hit and i took 2 between my cheek and gum (this was my 2nd time, first time i took one it wasnt very strong) and could feel it in about 30 min, things got wavy, i was seeing things morph, family guy was on and it was all echoey and it looked like they mere made of legos, it kinda reinvigored my appreciation for psychs. I know there is a large portion of ppl feel like these nbomes are potentially dangerous bc they are so new, shit, it wouldnt suprise me. It was a little exerpiment i wanted to try and it was pretty fun.
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Price discussion
Hello everyone.
I'm new to registering, not to reading these boards.
Please, be patient with me, I read almost the entire old big and dandy and STILL have questions.
From what I have read, this is what I have come up with.
The HCL form (what I ordered) is soluble (easily) up to 8mg/mL
There is a theory that using polysorbate increases bioavailability.
I've seen people say to use alcohol (40%) in a mixture with water. I am not sure why they say this, does it increase bioavailability?
I have measured the drops out of a visine bottle to be an average range of 15-17 drops per mL.
I don't have the proper scale needed to accurately measure miniscule amounts such as uG and amounts such as 50mg.
My work around this, based upon my own trials of 15-17 drops per mL is to make 7mL (maybe more like 6.5mL) bottles with 50mgs of 25c. This should make 105-110 hits (7mL) or 95-100 hits (6.5mL).
Has anyone posted an (at least partially) agreed upon method of dosing?
I have shared what I plan to do, please let me know you're thoughts. If this has all been covered, I am terribly sorry. My head hurts from all this reading and I've done research AS i read.
My specific questions are as follows.
Should I use polysorbate (like a 1% mixture)?
Should I use alcohol? Why?
Edit: I have tried a Buccal spray of this and took 3 full sprays to my mouth and made sure to spread it ALL over. I believe the nausea is made worse by swallowing the liquid in this method, and it may ACTUALLY be better to spit instead of swallow?
Hello everyone.
I'm new to registering, not to reading these boards.
Please, be patient with me, I read almost the entire old big and dandy and STILL have questions.
From what I have read, this is what I have come up with.
The HCL form (what I ordered) is soluble (easily) up to 8mg/mL
There is a theory that using polysorbate increases bioavailability.
I've seen people say to use alcohol (40%) in a mixture with water. I am not sure why they say this, does it increase bioavailability?
I have measured the drops out of a visine bottle to be an average range of 15-17 drops per mL.
I don't have the proper scale needed to accurately measure miniscule amounts such as uG and amounts such as 50mg.
My work around this, based upon my own trials of 15-17 drops per mL is to make 7mL (maybe more like 6.5mL) bottles with 50mgs of 25c. This should make 105-110 hits (7mL) or 95-100 hits (6.5mL).
Has anyone posted an (at least partially) agreed upon method of dosing?
I have shared what I plan to do, please let me know you're thoughts. If this has all been covered, I am terribly sorry. My head hurts from all this reading and I've done research AS i read.
My specific questions are as follows.
Should I use polysorbate (like a 1% mixture)?
Should I use alcohol? Why?
Edit: I have tried a Buccal spray of this and took 3 full sprays to my mouth and made sure to spread it ALL over. I believe the nausea is made worse by swallowing the liquid in this method, and it may ACTUALLY be better to spit instead of swallow?
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Bigazznugz
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I only use alcohol if I have a free base form and I'm trying to dissolve measured liquid does scene is always the safest way to go and if you're going to use polysorbate as a surfactant then I guess a one percent ratio is OK I know it is withhpbcd I've heard though that when it comes to mixing it that you should you some kind of vibrator apparently it helps with distribution. I mean I guess you're doing this so you can put it on blotter that's the only reason I know of why you will go through so much trouble when liquid insulfation is the best way to go
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Thanks for the reply, brother.
I am going to simply dose it onto whatever I can, honestly.
Blotter, altoids, gum, a drop under the tongue.
i AM NOT trying to pass this as LSD. (Just an fyi)
I did some research that I believe others may appreciate.
I discovered that the different viscosity between water and alcohol (Everclear) is EXTRAVAGANT.
Let me post my results. I used a visine bottle and I SHOOK THE BOTTLE EMPTY in between every trial to make sure that it was COMPLETELY empty,
These are all consecutive drops, until the bottle is empty.
I used an IV needleless syringe that my wife had from her last MS relapse, marked up to 10 mL.
I think i've REALLY gotten good at my measurement technique, hence the fairly stable results.
Regarding these results, these are the numbers as far as mL i will use in my vials with 50mg's per vial.
water - 100 doses per 5.9 mL
everclear 100 doses per 3mL
everclear/water - 100 doses per 3mL
I hope i added to this big and dandy thread =P
EDIT: I do worry that the addition of the 25c-nbome will effect the viscosity the way that adding alcohol will, but I can't see it doing much; Opinions?
I am going to simply dose it onto whatever I can, honestly.
Blotter, altoids, gum, a drop under the tongue.
i AM NOT trying to pass this as LSD. (Just an fyi)
I did some research that I believe others may appreciate.
I discovered that the different viscosity between water and alcohol (Everclear) is EXTRAVAGANT.
Let me post my results. I used a visine bottle and I SHOOK THE BOTTLE EMPTY in between every trial to make sure that it was COMPLETELY empty,
Experiment #1 - 50/50 water/everclear mixture - mL
1. 32 drops
2. 30
3. 31
4. 33
5. 31
PURE EVERCLEAR - 1 mL
1 . 36
2. 34
3. 34
4.34
WATER - 1 mL
1. 20
2. 17
3. 17
4. 17
5. 18
1. 32 drops
2. 30
3. 31
4. 33
5. 31
PURE EVERCLEAR - 1 mL
1 . 36
2. 34
3. 34
4.34
WATER - 1 mL
1. 20
2. 17
3. 17
4. 17
5. 18
I used an IV needleless syringe that my wife had from her last MS relapse, marked up to 10 mL.
I think i've REALLY gotten good at my measurement technique, hence the fairly stable results.
Regarding these results, these are the numbers as far as mL i will use in my vials with 50mg's per vial.
water - 100 doses per 5.9 mL
everclear 100 doses per 3mL
everclear/water - 100 doses per 3mL
I hope i added to this big and dandy thread =P
EDIT: I do worry that the addition of the 25c-nbome will effect the viscosity the way that adding alcohol will, but I can't see it doing much; Opinions?
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I just enjoy the ol' way of taking it by mouth. When i took 3 Buccal spray shots from a pre-made spray (from a friend), I would say that i touched the +4 area honestly.
I'm extremely hard on my reviews of substances but this stuff truly blew me away. The visuals were the best I've ever had since the 1 of 2 times I ever had real LSD.
The body load WAS pretty gnarly, I cannot deny that. I had a hacking cough from the week before and when I coughed, it was very deep. I didn't feel actual nausea, but when I had these hacking coughs, it's almost like the cough simply followed through into vomiting. I had an empty stomach from not eating until that point, so all that really came up was some white foamy shit. I can tell you that I DID NOT hold those 3 sprays in my mouth very long, though, if at all. It was a simple spray, then wait.
I did stagger the sprays. 1 spray unfront, 2 after 5 minutes.
I am 6'1 - 190 lbs (about)
The reason people are getting varied results is simple, this stuff follows the same rules as the fake bake that's been going around.
RC's are just varied in results dependent on the user.
I was a big fan of the scentsi-star brand fake bake, but when my friend smoked it he felt NOTHING.
My friend who had the buccal spray said that there was a single girl who said she felt nothing.
As for my trip report, that I have failed to write, I will make it short and sweet.
I'm extremely hard on my reviews of substances but this stuff truly blew me away. The visuals were the best I've ever had since the 1 of 2 times I ever had real LSD.
The body load WAS pretty gnarly, I cannot deny that. I had a hacking cough from the week before and when I coughed, it was very deep. I didn't feel actual nausea, but when I had these hacking coughs, it's almost like the cough simply followed through into vomiting. I had an empty stomach from not eating until that point, so all that really came up was some white foamy shit. I can tell you that I DID NOT hold those 3 sprays in my mouth very long, though, if at all. It was a simple spray, then wait.
I did stagger the sprays. 1 spray unfront, 2 after 5 minutes.
I am 6'1 - 190 lbs (about)
The reason people are getting varied results is simple, this stuff follows the same rules as the fake bake that's been going around.
RC's are just varied in results dependent on the user.
I was a big fan of the scentsi-star brand fake bake, but when my friend smoked it he felt NOTHING.
My friend who had the buccal spray said that there was a single girl who said she felt nothing.
As for my trip report, that I have failed to write, I will make it short and sweet.
0.00 - took a spray
t- 5 mins - took two more
t- 15 minutes - start to feel a DEFINITE come up, almost overwhelming
t- 25 Minutes - My hacking cough kicks in. I believe that this stuff makes you a bit mucusy too. I'm sweating BALLS, moreso than on MDMA. I am starting to get MINOR CEV's and I can tell that my vision is trying to merge the real world with the tripping world. I decide to get in the pool. OMG does the pool feel AMAZING. I feel like i'm at peace. THe mild tremors I felt coming on are a little more solidified, but the water REALLY helps me relax.
t- 35 mins - I'm starting to get tripped out by the ripples im making in the water. It's not full out tripping. More like things are moving in slow motion, and like there is a mild oil discoloration to the water. p.s - my friend and wife are sitting by the pool watching me.
t-50 mins - still in the pool, and GOOD GOD, the visuals are just full blown. I see what I call the "vines of life". I see FULLY in focus 3D visuals materializing before my eyes.
(Fun fact - a lot of use usually try to see things in two ways CEV's (closed eyed visuals) and OEV's (open eyed visuals). To those of us who have a horrible visual prescription, upwards of -5.50, i find a SIGNIFICANT different between having my glasses on and off. I actually prefer to have my glasses off. It allows me to see the amorphous blobs that are my friend and wife, but the trip is COMPLETELY taking up my field of vision. I honestly usually prefer my glasses off. It's like you are getting the creative freedom that CEV's permit you to have, like a blank canvas, but at the same time not being unaware of your surroundings, thus feeling much more in control. Just a little thing I've gathered from my ample tripping times.
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t- 1:30 - My friend leaves and I go to sit on the porch, i'm very content and just enjoying the visuals that are still unfolding before my eyes.
t- 3:30 - like hitting a wall, my trip just kinda cuts down. VIsuals are mild, I'm feeling a bit cracked out.
t- 5:00 - I'm done tripping. I feel VERY worn out.
t- 7:00 same as 5:00, but I know that sleep will not come. I'm mildly agitated that I'm so strung out, yet tired, but I don't let it really get to me. I expected this to happen.
t- 10:00 - I fall asleep,
next day I was pretty damn worn out, and had no want to take another hit. I felt... satisfied with the experience, enough so to go and do ALLLLL this research on it and order myself a gram.
I did have a bit of a headache, but nothing that a lil aleve couldn't help, seemed to be an obvious vaso-constricion side effect.
t- 5 mins - took two more
t- 15 minutes - start to feel a DEFINITE come up, almost overwhelming
t- 25 Minutes - My hacking cough kicks in. I believe that this stuff makes you a bit mucusy too. I'm sweating BALLS, moreso than on MDMA. I am starting to get MINOR CEV's and I can tell that my vision is trying to merge the real world with the tripping world. I decide to get in the pool. OMG does the pool feel AMAZING. I feel like i'm at peace. THe mild tremors I felt coming on are a little more solidified, but the water REALLY helps me relax.
t- 35 mins - I'm starting to get tripped out by the ripples im making in the water. It's not full out tripping. More like things are moving in slow motion, and like there is a mild oil discoloration to the water. p.s - my friend and wife are sitting by the pool watching me.
t-50 mins - still in the pool, and GOOD GOD, the visuals are just full blown. I see what I call the "vines of life". I see FULLY in focus 3D visuals materializing before my eyes.
(Fun fact - a lot of use usually try to see things in two ways CEV's (closed eyed visuals) and OEV's (open eyed visuals). To those of us who have a horrible visual prescription, upwards of -5.50, i find a SIGNIFICANT different between having my glasses on and off. I actually prefer to have my glasses off. It allows me to see the amorphous blobs that are my friend and wife, but the trip is COMPLETELY taking up my field of vision. I honestly usually prefer my glasses off. It's like you are getting the creative freedom that CEV's permit you to have, like a blank canvas, but at the same time not being unaware of your surroundings, thus feeling much more in control. Just a little thing I've gathered from my ample tripping times.
)t- 1:30 - My friend leaves and I go to sit on the porch, i'm very content and just enjoying the visuals that are still unfolding before my eyes.
t- 3:30 - like hitting a wall, my trip just kinda cuts down. VIsuals are mild, I'm feeling a bit cracked out.
t- 5:00 - I'm done tripping. I feel VERY worn out.
t- 7:00 same as 5:00, but I know that sleep will not come. I'm mildly agitated that I'm so strung out, yet tired, but I don't let it really get to me. I expected this to happen.
t- 10:00 - I fall asleep,
next day I was pretty damn worn out, and had no want to take another hit. I felt... satisfied with the experience, enough so to go and do ALLLLL this research on it and order myself a gram.
I did have a bit of a headache, but nothing that a lil aleve couldn't help, seemed to be an obvious vaso-constricion side effect.
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Bigazznugz
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that's crazy about the headache I always have a headache its like clockwork and it always starts to hit me in about 5 hourmark I would be very careful about putting 50 milligrams into a vise in bottle I think there was a kid at voodoo fest last year he died the same way thats the only problem with this stuff LSD you can't overdose on this stuff is very very easy I decided that if I am going to make hits that I just that I tag my hits into gelatin capsules they don't seem to sweat as bad as little tiny baggies that was on that way I don't have to pull out of scale everytime I decide to research..... just be careful with that Visine idea man I don't know about that remember safety first
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Of course.
It's just a matter of basic math.
I may just have to mix the entire gram into a large batch and then dose the vials accordingly. Once I have this large batch made, I will test 1 mL just like I did with the liquids. I will make sure their isn't some sort of crazy as difference in drop measurement. I will also test the liquid when the polysorbate gets here. I'm pretty sure it will add to the viscosity.
I plan to treat this substance with great care and respect.
What do you mean about your gelatin cap method?
Edit: even if I was to put a LITTLE more in one vial than another of the solution, it wouldn't effect the outcome per drop. As long as I have the correct measurement per drop, i'm safe.
My results are really very stable with only a MARGINAL difference in drops. I think I've really got my technique down for administering the liquids =P
It's just a matter of basic math.
I may just have to mix the entire gram into a large batch and then dose the vials accordingly. Once I have this large batch made, I will test 1 mL just like I did with the liquids. I will make sure their isn't some sort of crazy as difference in drop measurement. I will also test the liquid when the polysorbate gets here. I'm pretty sure it will add to the viscosity.
I plan to treat this substance with great care and respect.
What do you mean about your gelatin cap method?
Edit: even if I was to put a LITTLE more in one vial than another of the solution, it wouldn't effect the outcome per drop. As long as I have the correct measurement per drop, i'm safe.
My results are really very stable with only a MARGINAL difference in drops. I think I've really got my technique down for administering the liquids =P
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Bigazznugz
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I put measured doses of powder into gelatin caps but I'm diann be carefull tjats all mady start with 5 ug to test ur method cuz u don't know if the polysorbate and the compound changes the viscosity and there are no second chanses with it anf a od on nbome is horrific if u don't know already and if you survive u could lose toes
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Just know that a drop isn't a measurement.
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Why wouldn't it be?
that is my question.
I am measuring the drops specifically.
There should be 500 ug's of the product per drop with the math I have displayed. If I get 31 drops per mL, then that is a measurement. 1/31 of a mL = 500 uG.
are you saying that the chemical within the solution wouldn't be evenly dispersed? Even if I completely mixed it in until the liquid was clear????
that is my question.
I am measuring the drops specifically.
There should be 500 ug's of the product per drop with the math I have displayed. If I get 31 drops per mL, then that is a measurement. 1/31 of a mL = 500 uG.
are you saying that the chemical within the solution wouldn't be evenly dispersed? Even if I completely mixed it in until the liquid was clear????
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No it's that drops vary in actual size, unless you're using one of these. Not that big of a deal, but if you're going for a bigger dose then the difference can add up. (I don't think technique will change that, a pipette is a pipette is a pipette)
Another tip, this chem is active at 250-300ug for a lot of people and 500ug can produce a trip that might be too much for those people sensitive to NBOMes
Another tip, this chem is active at 250-300ug for a lot of people and 500ug can produce a trip that might be too much for those people sensitive to NBOMes
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I see. But my consistency in the number of drops should conclude that it is at least somewhat reliable shouldnt it?
I will take the lower dosage into consideration
I will take the lower dosage into consideration
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I mean I got 17 drops, 3 times in a row.
Wouldn't that show that the size is somewhat consistent?
I don't mean to come off argumentative, I understand what you're saying.
Drops in themselves are never a completely accurate way to dose.
I've just been trying REALLY hard to get them as close to accurate as possible.
THe difference in size shouldn't be more than 100 ug's should it?
I obviously cannot say that I can truly eye them out in a 00% reliable manner.
I will make sure to share my reports and testing once it get's here.
I appreciate all the feedback I've been getting.
Would it be appropriate, then, for me to conclude that I don't need to use polysorbate OR alcohol in my solution and pure water (brought to a roaring boil, then cooled, for sanitization) will suffice?
Wouldn't that show that the size is somewhat consistent?
I don't mean to come off argumentative, I understand what you're saying.
Drops in themselves are never a completely accurate way to dose.
I've just been trying REALLY hard to get them as close to accurate as possible.
THe difference in size shouldn't be more than 100 ug's should it?
I obviously cannot say that I can truly eye them out in a 00% reliable manner.
I will make sure to share my reports and testing once it get's here.
I appreciate all the feedback I've been getting.
Would it be appropriate, then, for me to conclude that I don't need to use polysorbate OR alcohol in my solution and pure water (brought to a roaring boil, then cooled, for sanitization) will suffice?
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Bigazznugz
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They say polydorbate increases bio availability, but no one can say four sure I don't know why u want to go down the ucval sublingual route it tastes Like shit n clientell don't like that when liquid insulgayion seems to be the best roa as for the alcohol I don't use it unless its a free base form as long as you have a hydrochloride salt is dissolved fine in regular water but you can always use a a sterile saline solution but even then you could still have this product for a long time and I don't know how well that if it settles down to the bottom of the bottle or not you may have to shake every time
Hey look I'm not bashing your method and if you want to do it then you're going to do it but I don't want to give out any advice I could possibly hurt somebody I couldn't live with myself.
Where is solipsis when u need him I'm sure that he would be able to give you some great advice
Hey look I'm not bashing your method and if you want to do it then you're going to do it but I don't want to give out any advice I could possibly hurt somebody I couldn't live with myself.
Where is solipsis when u need him I'm sure that he would be able to give you some great advice
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I really appreciate it nugz, truly.
It's not that I wish to deny that insufflation is the best method. I tried it via mouth and i had a BLAST.
I wish to simply produce a successful method that can then be shared with the community via sublingual/buccal.
I don't wanna snort anything is all. A lot of my friends like taking it orally. The rush I got when it came up on me with buccal/sub was INTENSE and idk if I would honestly like it if it hit me even harder, and faster than that.
If the worst thing I can imagine is that it doesn't hit as hard via my prefered ROA, then that is much safer to me than accidentally overdosing with INSUFFLATIOn. I'd rather be under than over.
I know it's cheesy, but i wanna be the pioneer to set the standard with my ROA choice.
This is business and I take business VERY seriously.
It's not that I wish to deny that insufflation is the best method. I tried it via mouth and i had a BLAST.
I wish to simply produce a successful method that can then be shared with the community via sublingual/buccal.
I don't wanna snort anything is all. A lot of my friends like taking it orally. The rush I got when it came up on me with buccal/sub was INTENSE and idk if I would honestly like it if it hit me even harder, and faster than that.
If the worst thing I can imagine is that it doesn't hit as hard via my prefered ROA, then that is much safer to me than accidentally overdosing with INSUFFLATIOn. I'd rather be under than over.
I know it's cheesy, but i wanna be the pioneer to set the standard with my ROA choice.
This is business and I take business VERY seriously.
Bigazznugz
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All good bro id like to c what aaadmin has tosay before trying to approve ur tek
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