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RCs Big n Dandy 4-FA (4-fluoroamphetamine) thread v.1.0

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Has anyone taken 4-FA and gone to a rave/club setting? how does it compare with mdma/speed as far as music appreciation, energy, rushing, and dancing capabilities?

I find it right in the middle between amphetamine and MDMA. The focus of amphetamine isn't there, but the social qualities are superb for myself.

I found that I had to dose above 150mg to achieve this effect, otherwise it was a nauseating and rather sweaty experience and nothing more.
 
Has anyone taken 4-FA and gone to a rave/club setting? how does it compare with mdma/speed as far as music appreciation, energy, rushing, and dancing capabilities?

At the very beginning of my 4-FA trials, I found 4-FA to be a fantastic substance for a club/dance setting or even a more down-tempo show/concert where people are "grooving" as opposed to "raging". Nice empathic qualities boost socialization, music appreciation greatly enhanced, energy and dancing both elevated for many hours, but never once have a I felt overwhelmed or out of my element on this substance.

Since first discovering 4-fa 6 months ago, however, I've used it at least once or twice a week almost continously, with a few breaks in there of 1-2 weeks, and almost all of the empathic or mdma-esque qualities have long since vanished. Now, 4-fa provides elevated energy levels, better interpersonal skills, and, interestingly enough, still provides enhanced music appreciation IME even though the other serotogenic qualities are not produced anymore.

I ran out of 4-fa this past weekend, don't have another en route and given that shipping times from my most trusted vendor are averaging at least 2 weeks lately :( I may just take an extended vacation from this one in hopes of regaining the magic it lost.
 
i miss this substance myself. looking forward to the summer (after this never ending semester ends) to get back to work.

im very interested in trying 2-FMA. this substance (4-FA) was originally bought as a study aid. didnt really help at all, in fact i felt so good and comfortable that i felt i didnt need to study... oops. from what i hear 2-FMA is much more study-oriented. perhaps i should stock up for the fall semester.
 
So experimented once again with this one last night .

125mg with a 25 mg redose about 1-1.5 hours later.

It makes me super sexual , like coke. I don't have tons of stim experience but both Cathinone's I've tried (pent & 4-mec) did not have this effect in the slightest. Likely because both were super fiendish and left me in a bad state of anxiety.

This is the first time (3 prior experiences) that I felt the urge to redose. I capped another 25-3O mg about 3 hours in , and took it with me out to meet a lady friend. Never ended up taking it though.

Went & seen a movie , which is something I could never do on a euphoria based stim , I can't even manage to pay attention or feel comfortable watching a flick at home if I was on say .5 gram cocaine and I'd be a wreck in public off a binge type dose (which is how it always ends up & I've halted use last 6 months).

I love how you can be fairly high off 4-fa and completely hide the fact your on anything , without any effort in doing so. Lady friend was unaware of anything until after the movie when we get back to my place and I was having a little trouble functioning in bed , but I ended up pulling through and performing.

I almost entirely swore off all stims because the ones I tried all led to compulsive dosing and comedowns from hell.
Coke- oh god. 1/4 ounce 2 day binges
MDMA (if that's even classified as I never feel stimulated on pure molly) - no terrible comedown but compulsive the minute I decide to switch roa from oral to insuff
4-mec - can get away with 1 line and stop but that does so little for you , by the time I've done enough to get a ok buzz I'm finishing it off shortly after , comedown not terrible but still a bit unpleasant
Pent - coke like binging and comedown from hell.

But with 4-fa like I've said before , not much desire to redose and smoothest stim comedown I've ever experienced by a long shot.

I dosed late last night , and while the comedown was not a bit unpleasant , it was nearing 4 a.m. And I wanted sleep ASAP so I dose a few mg etizolam and fell asleep easily. Good 5.5 hours uninterrupted.

Felt a bit blah in the morning , lethargic but have found 2-3 grams of kratom the morning after stim use usually picks me up real nicely.

Anyways ill quit rambling , just happy I found a stim that I leaves me satisfied without the fiendish desire to redose , bad comedown and am able to limit use 1.5-2 weeks apart.

I think in a week or so ill give it a try at 3O-5O MG one morning and see how it compares to my usual multiple red bulls or cups of coffee.

Oh & almost talked myself into insuff 1O-15 mg even though its highly advised against. Curiosity almost got the better of me , but something in me feels like using the roa leads to compulsive dosing with other stims & the burn sounds so unpleasant so I decided not to.
 
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I love how you can be fairly high off 4-fa and completely hide the fact your on anything , without any effort in doing so. Lady friend was unaware of anything until after the movie when we get back to my place and I was having a little trouble functioning in bed , but I ended up pulling through and performing

I appreciate the discreet quality 4-fa possesses too, but just as a word of caution, be mindful of pupil dilation, your eyes wil betray you to people familiar with this tell-tale sign of drug use even if you aren't exhibiting any other outward signs. On quite a few occasions I've gone to use the restroom at a social event and been shocked to discover my eyes were wide velvety black orbs with barely a trace of my real eye color, but because I was usually in a dimly lit bar/nightclub I was almost never called out on it, and when I was it was by a close friend with whom I didn't mind disclosing my lovely chemically-induced state.

But with 4-fa like I've said before , not much desire to redose and smoothest stim comedown I've ever experienced by a long shot.

Smooth comedown: definitely. Smoothest comedown of all stims: quite probably. But lack of desire/compulsion to redose? This is questionable. From what I can gather from my personal experiences, those of friends I've shared 4-fa with, and the fair amount of first-hand accounts available on the interwebs, the degree of "fiending" or compulsions to redose with 4-fa depends entirely on the individual user. Many reports in this thread express similar sentiments to yours, but other researchers find binge-dosing or dosing for many days consecutively difficult to avoid, myself included. It seems that the more experience a person has with 4-fa, the more likely they are to characterize it as habit-forming or compulsive.

I think in a week or so ill give it a try at 3O-5O MG one morning and see how it compares to my usual multiple red bulls or cups of coffee.

I'll spare you the week of waiting and tell you now, low dose 4-fa kicks the shit out of energy drinks/coffee in every way, at least IME. Very useful for a particularly long/demanding day or early morning obligations, but be careful that you don't make a habit of it. The low side-effects profile of 4-fa makes this low dose daily use tempting, at least for me. While I haven't honestly encountered many negative effects from taking one or two 60-80mg morning doses on 4-5 days in a given week, I learned the hard way that this pattern of use makes it pretty damn difficult to muster up much motivation/drive/energy when you go back to sober mornings.

Oh & almost talked myself into insuff 1O-15 mg even though its highly advised against. Curiosity almost got the better of me , but something in me feels like using the roa leads to compulsive dosing with other stims & the burn sounds so unpleasant so I decided not to.

To you and any other curious souls reading this- don't do it. Just don't. For me, nasal dosing brings out the worst in this relatively gentle substance, such as over-stimulation, circulatory problems, jaw-clenching, and the crashing-->redosing cycle. If you still insist on shoving this stuff up your nose, I recommend doing it in private because it will make you cry like a little kid who fell off their bike and skinned their knee, guaranteed.
 
Well I went against caution and went the nasal route.

The day after my post I dropped 125mg. I proceed to sniff another 15O-175 ranging from 1O-2Omg lines.
This was over a 7 hour period. I'm sure regardless this size dose is cautioned against but it was not like I dropped 3OOmg in one go.

I find the desire to redose / compulsion much greater with nasal , which I knew would be the case.

Yesterday I did 325 nasally over 6 hours. 2O-4Omg bumps roughly every half hour and then left. Returned 3 hours later and polished off my last 5Omg. So 375mg over 9ish hours.

Not happy about this. Comedown was surprisingly still easy though and not once while out for the 3 hours did I have a strong urge to get back home to my final 5Omg. It's like I can get up and leave it without much fiending but when it's there in front of me I'm very compulsive with redosing.

When I get more , and there's no doubt I will , ill take precautions so I only have X amount in my possession , X being the amount I plan to take. Although technically ill have access if I wanted to get more , I don't feel like its the type of stim ill be calling a cab to come get me and drive me to a location where I have it being held waking someone at 3 a.m to get my stash. I've done this with coke before.

I have mixed feeling about nasal vs oral to be honest , I like certain things about each route and dislike certain things. That being said anyone considering it should likely just listen to the general opinion and stick with oral.

Should also add , prior to last week the days after were just a little lethargic but no real depression like I've experienced with coke , e pills likely cut with meth and to a very lessor extent pure MDMA .. And while I can't say for sure 4-fa was the cause but 2 days after last weeks 2 consecutive days using I had some pretty soul crushing depression. It only lasted that day and the prior 4 days were a bit to much drug use. Day 1 - 4-HO-mipt , pretty intense experience day 2/3 4-fa , with etizolam , dosing to the memory loss near blackout point (didn't forget anything so to say but everything was fuzzy for next day or two) and on day 4 the day before the depression I did 15mg 4-HO-det , which I barely tripped from. I usually limit myself to 1-2 drug experiences a week , I'm not really sure what got into me but whatever. The day of the depression though I experienced sleep paralysis at about 5 a.m. (2nd time ever) which spooked me the fuck out and set the day off bad and it rained non stop. So I can't blame the 4-fa as there's so many other factors involved but figured I'd mention it as since I've quit drinking & using cocaine I'm rarely depressed so was unusual.
 
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ive had noticeable RLS and cold/clammy extremities months after using 4-FA.

does anyone have lingering side effects from this stuff? deters further experiments to say the least.
 
Does anyone know the best way to store 4-FA? How long will it keep its potency?

Thanks.
 
As a Salt it should be fairly stable if kept in cold, dry and dark contiditions. I would recomend a brwonglas Vial filled with argon gas as a replacement for the "air" inside! But evan without the argon you should be ok, if kept dry, dark and cool! (Winepreserver has a high argongas part inside! you can get it off the internet)
 
As a Salt it should be fairly stable if kept in cold, dry and dark contiditions. I would recomend a brwonglas Vial filled with argon gas as a replacement for the "air" inside! But evan without the argon you should be ok, if kept dry, dark and cool! (Winepreserver has a high argongas part inside! you can get it off the internet)
Thank you. I'm sure this is a dumb question (excuse my ignorance) - but what about refrigerator or freezer storage?
 
it's already stable. keep it in a cool, dry place away from light. refrigerators are pretty dirty and moist actually.
Thanks. Any suggestion on what is a 'cool, dry' place is? Right now it's in a kitchen cabinet which is fine for the winter and fall ... but now that the weather is getting nicer, and the summer is around the corner, I'm thinking it may not be the best place.
 
Thanks. Any suggestion on what is a 'cool, dry' place is? Right now it's in a kitchen cabinet which is fine for the winter and fall ... but now that the weather is getting nicer, and the summer is around the corner, I'm thinking it may not be the best place.

Smth on ground lvl that has no exposure to direkt sunlite and then inside that! If u dont live in a dessert that should do!
 
4-fa alone can only be presumed to be the freebase, whereas the hcl is the hydrochloric salt.
Salts form when a base (NH3 is one) accepts the H+ from the acid so the acid is left with simply Cl- ion, which is electrostatically attracted to the positive -NH3+ ion which formed in 4-fa. Most freebases have lower melting points, and solubility. The salts will be more soluble, since it can dissociate into it's ions in water (the NH3+ & Cl-) and have a higher melting point, this tends to mean they can't be smoked. The salts are also more likely to be solid whereas some freebase drugs can be oily liquids.

Hopefully this is simple & accurate enough :)
 
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This is easily the best RC amphetamine out there...and alot better adderral. It's like a mix of a smooth stimulant and a light roll without much of comedown. I know people are always looking for the most euphoric stimulant out there but if you hate annoying stim. side-effects like me then 4-FA may be the best rounded stim. on the RC market right now.
 
I have mixed feeling about nasal vs oral to be honest , I like certain things about each route and dislike certain things. That being said anyone considering it should likely just listen to the general opinion and stick with oral.

Did you try doing it sublingual yet?
It burns like hell, but keeping it under the tongue for a while before swallowing with lots of water gives a nice "push" imo.
Downside is, that it's likely to destroy the outer tissue under the tongue. The day after, it will peel off.
But hey, it regenerates fast and 4-FA definitely isn't a drug for everyday use. And it sure isn't for snorting. Jesus, how can you do this to your sinuses?
 
Two friends & I did 150mg in capsules last night and had a great time. We went swinging and I skateboarded down a big hill which was excellent, got into some deep conversations which was thoroughly enjoyable as well. Peak was about 90 minutes then the comedown happened very gradually, felt pretty clean overall. I always have an urge to redose but this was much less fiendish than other substances and I didn't end up redosing. Went to sleep at 2am (7 hours after ingestion).
The body high isn't as intense as MDMA or methylone, not even close actually. But it's still very pleasant and the minimal side effects are a plus.
 
Has anyone tired a moderate dose of 4-fa combined with a moderate dose of MDMA? I am one of those people who enjoys MDMA but feels it lacks energy and push, I was hoping some 4-fa would add that.
 
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