Flickering
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Any thoughts on getting down the incredibly bitter root bark? Would prefer not to capsulate it, thinking of just grinding it into powder and swallowing quickly with water.
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psood0nym
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I've not see it, but a thread search didn't mention the following documentary so I thought I'd post it: "Facing the Habit"
gingergirrlOR
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Jesusgreen
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Sourcing is discussing vendors/sources, and it applies outside of drugs here too, though we make an exception to allow links to purchase scales in the scales thread.
Also, please don't double post, use the edit button unless it's been a sufficiently long time (at least a few days) since someone has posted in the thread and you have an important question that requires attention. I've merged your posts
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cire113
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has anyone done ibogaine and still sober? and have had positive experience from it
RobotRipping
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i did iboga for fun and had a benzo/opiate habit at the time, didn't do anything for either of them, in fact i dont remember much from that time period so maybe it lowered my tolerance enough to black out for most of it. I did iboga 3 times and can only remember a few hours from those experiences, my girlfriend was there to watch me and knew i was tripping seriously hard.
iboga does somehow reset receptors or tolerance but it does not cure addiction by any means. That takes psychological work, counselling, change of lifestyle, habits, friends, the big things in life. Iboga can give you a great headstart by not having to face a physical withdrawal, but we all know the physical withdrawal is the least of our worries in opiate addiction.
i've only taken the iboga alkaloid extract, not actual ibogaine, so maybe it's different but i think all the alkaloids work together to create a more enhancing experience, at least in a psychedelic sense.
iboga does somehow reset receptors or tolerance but it does not cure addiction by any means. That takes psychological work, counselling, change of lifestyle, habits, friends, the big things in life. Iboga can give you a great headstart by not having to face a physical withdrawal, but we all know the physical withdrawal is the least of our worries in opiate addiction.
i've only taken the iboga alkaloid extract, not actual ibogaine, so maybe it's different but i think all the alkaloids work together to create a more enhancing experience, at least in a psychedelic sense.
Sorry for bumping this but research has left me totally confused and very aware of the risks.
What would be the recommendation and dosage for resetting tolerance for somebody using opiates or Kratom once a week. More for controlling tolerance and sensitivity and not treating addiction?
Also if possible without experiencing any of the hallucinogenic or dissociative effects of ibogaine either. Thanks.
What would be the recommendation and dosage for resetting tolerance for somebody using opiates or Kratom once a week. More for controlling tolerance and sensitivity and not treating addiction?
Also if possible without experiencing any of the hallucinogenic or dissociative effects of ibogaine either. Thanks.
Flickering
Bluelighter
Micro dose. .5mg/kg every day for several weeks. You'll have barely any discernible effects but it will reset your tolerance and elevate your mood. Do NOT take kratom or opiates within 48 hours of ibogaine.
Yep. Microdose. I've microdosed through cold turkeys off methadone and heroin. If you're just wanting to keep tolerance in check you could try 1000-1500mg ibo rootbark as required. Maybe weekly would be a good start. Start with 600mg first thing in the morning and see how you go. You shouldn't notice any psychoactive effect from this amount but will potentiate any opiates in the system and to some extent 'reset' tolerance. (It's not as simple as resetting tolerance using ibo) I've written extensively on this. Right now our experience is anecdotal and subjective but I write from personal experience as well as that of others. Having helped people taper doses of methadone down by 30mg over a week using bark with little or negligible wd symptoms. Health wise it's low risk so no need to worry about ecgs and bloods in this dose range. Happy to talk in pm if you need
I wrote this for a forum I mod: A Brief Guide To Microdosing
Microdosing is quite a new thing. There aren't really any studies
The stories and testimonials I know of are anecdotal though so this will just be a guide.
Microdosing usually consists of the use of iboga root bark (occasionally TA) in 'micro' doses. Often daily but some people use it weekly or even monthly.
Most people that have used iboga in flood size doses notice a lift in mood afterwards, this may be down to the theory that iboga helps repair the damage done to the dopamine/seratonin/nor-adrenaline systems in the brain.
Persistent abuse of opiates results in the brain producing less dopamine naturally as the opiates do a great job of doing that themselves.
Microdosing has been reported to be useful for depression, PTSD, hep C, lymes disease, anxiety and more.
The theory is that iboga helps when tapering an opiate habit because of its potentiating effect. This is also the reason it is usually dangerous to take the two concurrently. At least one Ibogaine related fatality was caused by the person using heroin straight after a flood.
So, microdosing for reducing a habit on methadone/subutex/suboxone/heroin/morphine/oxy.. Etc..:
Put your iboga rootbark into size '00' gelcaps. These hold around 300mg each.
Before starting the regieme try to control your habit. If your using methadone then stabilise on once daily dosing.
When you awake take one cap. 300mg.
This is done for two reasons. Iboga can be a stimulant and therefore cause insomnia if taken too late in the day, and because you want the iboga to start taking care of the onset of withdrawal.
300mg is really very little but it will serve to give you some idea what your 'level' is.
Try to then hang out your first shot/smoke/dose of the day.
Ideally for hours, if your sick then try to wait at least two, you want to try and keep the iboga and the opes as far apart in the day as possible.
You likely won't notice any effect on 300mg anyway. So the next day we go up to 600mg.
Do the same again, first thing in the morning and try to hang your dose out.
Day three go for 900mg. This is around the level most start to noice an effect.
This is the tricky part, there is a happy medium there, between no psychoactive effect and slightly too much. You need to find the dose that makes you feel a little wobbly, maybe some buzzing in the ears and maybe the lights are too bright. Once you find this 'slightly too much' dose then drop back down one cap.
By doing this in the morning, you should notice you don't need your daily opiate dose so early, and you'll most likely need less of it too.
This small bit of iboga is just enough to potentiate the opiates to help you taper without symptoms.
Microdosing for depression:
There is anecdotal evidence iboga can lift your mood.
For depression is suggest a similar protocol as for tapering.
Start with 300mg daily and work up over a few days until you find the level at which you notice it and its unpleasant. Then dose just under that amount from then on.
The trick is to get the therapeutic effect but not the undesired side effects.
A couple of side notes:
Dose wise, these are just average amounts. Things that might mean you need more than average are:
Weight, iboga floods are calculated by weight, you may need more if your heavier.
Sex: females often need more than males, sometimes as much as double!
Drug habit: people with large or long term opiate habits need more than an opiate naive person. For the sake of this it's a moot point but for microdosing for depression this is relevant
Age: age, as weight can mean you need slightly more
There is a ceiling effect with iboga, it also builds up so a tolerance occurs pretty fast.
This means that after a week or two of daily use you can drop down to every other day and then twice weekly etc.
VERY IMPORTANT:
Anyone using iboga in any form must NOT be using any pharmacological anti-depressant/Anti-anxiety medication.
SSRI's/SNRI's etc are highly contraindicated because you can get seratonin syndrome.
It's safety is still unknown in regards to pregnancy but I'd always err on the side of caution here.
Health checks are carried out before a flood. An ECG and liver function tests are the minnimum. These may not be necessary when microdosing but I'd advise some common sense and not use iboga if you are in any way unwell.
Microdosing is quite a new thing. There aren't really any studies
The stories and testimonials I know of are anecdotal though so this will just be a guide.
Microdosing usually consists of the use of iboga root bark (occasionally TA) in 'micro' doses. Often daily but some people use it weekly or even monthly.
Most people that have used iboga in flood size doses notice a lift in mood afterwards, this may be down to the theory that iboga helps repair the damage done to the dopamine/seratonin/nor-adrenaline systems in the brain.
Persistent abuse of opiates results in the brain producing less dopamine naturally as the opiates do a great job of doing that themselves.
Microdosing has been reported to be useful for depression, PTSD, hep C, lymes disease, anxiety and more.
The theory is that iboga helps when tapering an opiate habit because of its potentiating effect. This is also the reason it is usually dangerous to take the two concurrently. At least one Ibogaine related fatality was caused by the person using heroin straight after a flood.
So, microdosing for reducing a habit on methadone/subutex/suboxone/heroin/morphine/oxy.. Etc..:
Put your iboga rootbark into size '00' gelcaps. These hold around 300mg each.
Before starting the regieme try to control your habit. If your using methadone then stabilise on once daily dosing.
When you awake take one cap. 300mg.
This is done for two reasons. Iboga can be a stimulant and therefore cause insomnia if taken too late in the day, and because you want the iboga to start taking care of the onset of withdrawal.
300mg is really very little but it will serve to give you some idea what your 'level' is.
Try to then hang out your first shot/smoke/dose of the day.
Ideally for hours, if your sick then try to wait at least two, you want to try and keep the iboga and the opes as far apart in the day as possible.
You likely won't notice any effect on 300mg anyway. So the next day we go up to 600mg.
Do the same again, first thing in the morning and try to hang your dose out.
Day three go for 900mg. This is around the level most start to noice an effect.
This is the tricky part, there is a happy medium there, between no psychoactive effect and slightly too much. You need to find the dose that makes you feel a little wobbly, maybe some buzzing in the ears and maybe the lights are too bright. Once you find this 'slightly too much' dose then drop back down one cap.
By doing this in the morning, you should notice you don't need your daily opiate dose so early, and you'll most likely need less of it too.
This small bit of iboga is just enough to potentiate the opiates to help you taper without symptoms.
Microdosing for depression:
There is anecdotal evidence iboga can lift your mood.
For depression is suggest a similar protocol as for tapering.
Start with 300mg daily and work up over a few days until you find the level at which you notice it and its unpleasant. Then dose just under that amount from then on.
The trick is to get the therapeutic effect but not the undesired side effects.
A couple of side notes:
Dose wise, these are just average amounts. Things that might mean you need more than average are:
Weight, iboga floods are calculated by weight, you may need more if your heavier.
Sex: females often need more than males, sometimes as much as double!
Drug habit: people with large or long term opiate habits need more than an opiate naive person. For the sake of this it's a moot point but for microdosing for depression this is relevant
Age: age, as weight can mean you need slightly more
There is a ceiling effect with iboga, it also builds up so a tolerance occurs pretty fast.
This means that after a week or two of daily use you can drop down to every other day and then twice weekly etc.
VERY IMPORTANT:
Anyone using iboga in any form must NOT be using any pharmacological anti-depressant/Anti-anxiety medication.
SSRI's/SNRI's etc are highly contraindicated because you can get seratonin syndrome.
It's safety is still unknown in regards to pregnancy but I'd always err on the side of caution here.
Health checks are carried out before a flood. An ECG and liver function tests are the minnimum. These may not be necessary when microdosing but I'd advise some common sense and not use iboga if you are in any way unwell.
Using iboga and opiates concurrently is never 100% safe but in micro dose ranges the risk is negligible. I personally cut down an iv MST habit by 600mg in two weeks by using 1200mg bark daily and have seen lots of others have similar results. Iboga in high doses can be dangerous when using opiates. Staying under 10grams (bark) weekly is fine. I'd suggest extreme caution using TA concurrently and to never use HCL within 72 hours of opiates.
Morninggloryseed
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>iboga does somehow reset receptors or tolerance
>but it does not cure addiction by any means
Maybe not reliably. Maybe not in everyone. I sure as shit did not entertain the idea for even a second that iboga and ibogaine could cure me. But not only did it take away all WD/PAWS/fatigue/etc....it took away every instinct I have to put opiates in my body...be it for relief of pain, induce pleasure, or a simple high.
Maybe I am not the norm, but I cannot conceive on any circumstance in which I would ever return to using opiates, save a doctor scripted me some after surgery, or something or that nature.
And sure, I am working every day to stay this way but it is hardly work. The realization when I wake up that I feel WONDERFUL and that I don't need to prepare the day's worth of opiates is really the most 'work' I have to do. The rest seems to come naturally.
Iboga for everything!
Also: Nothing 'harsh' or difficult about ibogaine or iboga to me. I'd say it is in my top-3 favorite psychedelics. It is a 36hr experience but I loved every moment of it. I plan on taking 2grams pure ibogaine within the next year and will be buying a bunch of bark for microdosing throughout the next year because if there was ever a 'healthfood' it is the iboga root.
>but it does not cure addiction by any means
Maybe not reliably. Maybe not in everyone. I sure as shit did not entertain the idea for even a second that iboga and ibogaine could cure me. But not only did it take away all WD/PAWS/fatigue/etc....it took away every instinct I have to put opiates in my body...be it for relief of pain, induce pleasure, or a simple high.
Maybe I am not the norm, but I cannot conceive on any circumstance in which I would ever return to using opiates, save a doctor scripted me some after surgery, or something or that nature.
And sure, I am working every day to stay this way but it is hardly work. The realization when I wake up that I feel WONDERFUL and that I don't need to prepare the day's worth of opiates is really the most 'work' I have to do. The rest seems to come naturally.
Iboga for everything!
Also: Nothing 'harsh' or difficult about ibogaine or iboga to me. I'd say it is in my top-3 favorite psychedelics. It is a 36hr experience but I loved every moment of it. I plan on taking 2grams pure ibogaine within the next year and will be buying a bunch of bark for microdosing throughout the next year because if there was ever a 'healthfood' it is the iboga root.
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But yeah, sadly you are one of the lucky ones. It seems to be maybe 5-10% of people that get the psychospiritual awakening and never have the urge or desire to use opiates again.
Most get a result of anywhere between 80-100% reduction is acute wd symptoms for 48-96 hours and after that, depending on a lot of things, not least the opiate they were withdrawing from, length of use also age and sex, an improvement in paws and depression for anywhere from days to months.
Some relapse within days, most get a few weeks or months. The lucky ones never use again
There are so many variables and the results can be so arbitrary it's hard to make hard and fast statements about what iboga will and won't do for people.
I've done three floods and three microdose detoxes. With various results.
I can say that it's by far the easiest way off opiates that exists, but for most, you still gotta put the hard work in after to stay clean..
Quite inspiring, MGS. Loved your reports...
Fortunately the monkeys on my back haven't really bothered me in a while but the protracted PAWS and fatigue still seem to ruin a lot for me. It's not opiates though but benzo's, a hyperactive limbic system and chronic poly folly. I wonder if that matters a lot, and if it is pharmacologically relevant or that iboga has a general reset value like Kambo is supposed to have, something rather holistic?
Color me interested.
Fortunately the monkeys on my back haven't really bothered me in a while but the protracted PAWS and fatigue still seem to ruin a lot for me. It's not opiates though but benzo's, a hyperactive limbic system and chronic poly folly. I wonder if that matters a lot, and if it is pharmacologically relevant or that iboga has a general reset value like Kambo is supposed to have, something rather holistic?
Color me interested.
Excellent info thanks all, especially sids.
The problem in my case is that I am on SSRI's, which I have begun tapering rather aggressively so far without issues. I would love some guidance for safe use of Iboga with SSRI's or for treating discontinuation if possible. Been on 50mg for 6-7 years now but its time to stop.
My plan here is to either begin the microdosing once/IF SSRI withdrawals begin to kick in an as a way to treat it in a similar way withdrawals are treated with opiates and other drugs with Iboga.
OR I will begin the microdosing once the 5 days without SSRI's are up. 5 days is indicated for Paxil as the time it would take to be cleared from the system.
I understand that SSRI's should be ok with microdoses and should only result in an increased effect from the SSRI therefore reducing my dosage as I have done (below 50% of my dose now so far) should be fine.
Note, I have been meaning to stop SSRI usage in any case as the issues treated have gone after many years now, not just doing this to allow for Iboga usage...
The problem in my case is that I am on SSRI's, which I have begun tapering rather aggressively so far without issues. I would love some guidance for safe use of Iboga with SSRI's or for treating discontinuation if possible. Been on 50mg for 6-7 years now but its time to stop.
My plan here is to either begin the microdosing once/IF SSRI withdrawals begin to kick in an as a way to treat it in a similar way withdrawals are treated with opiates and other drugs with Iboga.
OR I will begin the microdosing once the 5 days without SSRI's are up. 5 days is indicated for Paxil as the time it would take to be cleared from the system.
I understand that SSRI's should be ok with microdoses and should only result in an increased effect from the SSRI therefore reducing my dosage as I have done (below 50% of my dose now so far) should be fine.
Note, I have been meaning to stop SSRI usage in any case as the issues treated have gone after many years now, not just doing this to allow for Iboga usage...
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Reverend Random
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Something about microdosing. I know that the director of one of the largest South-African ibogaine treatment centers for addiction - himself a former addict - doses himself with tiny dosages of iboga tincture on a daily basis, as he claims it helps as maintenance. Not sure if by maintenance it's purely to help prevent relapse or withdrawal symptoms, if it helps on a psychological level or if it's just a placebo (in which case that's also a psychological aid of course).
[edit] By the way, if someone is very interested, I can shoot him an email and ask. There's some other professionals I know who are experts on iboga; if there's interest I'd be happy to ask around to find out how much they know on the subject.
[edit] By the way, if someone is very interested, I can shoot him an email and ask. There's some other professionals I know who are experts on iboga; if there's interest I'd be happy to ask around to find out how much they know on the subject.
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^ I think I have been talking to them myself already. Being from South Africa I will likely do a flood as an inpatient with them at some point to kill my chain smoking cig addiction issue which is my largest health issue at this time. If it could stop me smoking I would be fukin overjoyed.
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Very interested in using Ibogaine to stop my ten year addiction to pills and heroin. I'm very serious about going to a clinic either in Canada or Mexico, but would like to speak with someone who could point me in the right direction, maybe a PM if it threatens boards guidelines. I don't want to pay more than 3 grand for a clinic if nots totally necessary, as I've stabilized my habit to roughly 2-4 mg/day of suboxone, and I have no other medical problems re: heart or blood pressure, etc. I'd like to know what the benefits are of going to a "full service" clinic (given my stated present medical condition) compared to a more, say, renegade method of taking the bark, where maybe I take it on my own, with a friend or two to watch me during the 2-3 day trip. Any info or advice gleaned from personal experience is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks y'all, -seattlestranger.