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Benzo Discussion v4

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backroll said:
And get stocked up on all the good shit for when it starts getting tough eg. multi-vits, l-theanine, 5-htp and exercise.
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Is L-Theanine actually any good then?. I've read up on it these past few days as I've become more and more interested in trying to get off these friggin' benzos, and I've been wondering whether I should give it a go or not. I've actually just stocked up on some 5-HTP which I started taking yesterday. And I have to say, when I woke up this morning my head didn't feel like it'd been smashed like a piñata like it usually does.

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Also gonna give this book a go as it makes a lot of sense to start with my diet and such. Could be bollocks, but anything that helps etc.

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piracetam and phenibut will give you a stoned or high like benzo feeling, others will just be anxyoltic. 5-htp is excellent for sleep i find

And of course Daniel is spot on
 
How fast does Clonaz tolerance build? Quite liking these 2mgs but was meant to be keeping them for comedowns...always end up doing this. :sus:
 
tribal girl said:
Is L-Theanine actually any good then?. I've read up on it these past few days as I've become more and more interested in trying to get off these friggin' benzos, and I've been wondering whether I should give it a go or not. I've actually just stocked up on some 5-HTP which I started taking yesterday. And I have to say, when I woke up this morning my head didn't feel like it'd been smashed like a piñata like it usually does.

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Also gonna give this book a go as it makes a lot of sense to start with my diet and such. Could be bollocks, but anything that helps etc.

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Its good yeah. Of all the supplements, I have ever tried, for sleep anyway, i'd say its the most potent. I take it about an hour before I go to bed and find I have a more peaceful uninterrupted sleep.
It makes me too drowsy if I take it in the morning.. Consuming Theanine in Green tea, however, is calming without being sedating. In my experience anyway. I drank gallons of it when I was coming off of Diazepam and other substances.

Its cheap aswell. I got mine from Natures Best sorry I can't remember how much they were but NB seemed the most competitive at the time.

CO Enzyme Q10 is really good too. It helps your cells to repair and is good for energy.

I think vit E is the main ingredient in all those 'Road Back' potions. So that might be worth investigating also.

Hope that helps. :)

Ed: To begin with though TG, if you aren't tapering L theanine isn't going to leave much of a mark so dont expect miracles. But anything that helps with the ordeals worth having even if its effects are only mild to begin with. Its more of a PAWS aid.
 
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backroll said:
piracetam and phenibut will give you a stoned or high like benzo feeling, others will just be anxyoltic. 5-htp is excellent for sleep i find
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If Piracetam is anything like Phenibut then I'd rather give it a miss. Phenibut had me feeling edgy and anxious after three days of use, and that was only after using 1000 mgs once a day. The first day of using it is usually pretty good. Puts me in a decent frame of mind, and helps me focus and get things done. General peace of mind I suppose. But yeah, not really the route I'm looking for as a long-ish term thing. Also makes me feel a bit nauseous sometimes too.

I guess I'm more interested in various supplements I can take several times a day to boost serotonin levels and anything that will combat some of the damage I've already caused through long-term benzo abuse. And although I've always had trouble sleeping, it's not my main concern. My problem is mostly anxiety based. And of course I realise lack of sleep plays a huge part in that too. But nowadays I just tend to do a lot of walking, especially to and from work so that I'm pretty tired by a reasonable time. Slowly trying to introduce yoga into my life too, but my efforts are very sporadic atm.

NightsEpiphany said:
Consuming Theanine in Green tea, however, is calming without being sedating. In my experience anyway. I drank gallons of it when I was coming off of Diazepam and other substances.
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Sounds promising. As it happens, I'm currently consuming loads of green and chamomile tea in an effort to ween myself off of caffeine as that also adds to my anxiety a great deal.

NightsEpiphany said:
Ed: To begin with though TG, if you aren't tapering L theanine isn't going to leave much of a mark so dont expect miracles. But anything that helps with the ordeals worth having even if its effects are only mild to begin with. Its more of a PAWS aid.
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I'm not tapering right now, no. But sort of trying to kick-start the process by doing 'all the right things' before I feel comfortable enough to get to that stage. In the past I've usually fallen at the first hurdle, and even began drinking quite heavily when the pills weren't having the same effect. So I essentially created two problems just by trying to keep my tolerance to benzos down. It wasn't a pretty place to be, and quite frankly, I can't allow it to ever get to that stage again. That aside, it sounds like it's worth a go. Got nothing to lose at any rate. So thanks for the advice, guys. :)
 
Think i've spaced out my dosing too much, have had at least 4mg of clonaz today and 2mg last night less than 24 hours. Found 120mg worth of DHC there so necked that too, I've no weed which is exactly what I need to kick these into gear. Settling for a beer instead. Starting to want some opiates again, aint used them properly in a year or two now and to be honest wouldn't mind a good old nod and downer bliss for a few hours.
 
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You're welcome Tribal Girl.

I totally empathise Special K. I hope you stick with it though.
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ditto

Tribal girl, I wouldnt take phenibut 3 days in a row, it can get messy. still useful though

I just finished 3 strips of shady looking kpins, blues and tranax 1's. in a week, they are like smarties! esp the snidey ones!

lovin that name tranax.

finding drugs is boss nice one spesh
 
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I know it's not a benzo but I thought someone here will know.

I've got 3 x 20mg IR morphine pills I just discovered in my drawer while looking for a lost strip of oxy.

Will I get much off eating these all at once on an empty stomach?

I've no opiate tollerance was only looking for the oxy after a friend reminded me about it, which was probably eaten while on valium anyway I suspect.
 
They were pink bar shaped tablets definately legit cos they were off a mate who had oxy morphine dhc temaz vals xanax. He gave me some of each when I bought 2 strips of oxy, the vals were that good I don't remember eating the rest but I'd put 30mg of legit activis at the same as 10msj's in terms of hit maybe more. I can't even remember eating the second strip of oxy apparently I left mates with a strip still left having taken 8 x 5mg of them.

http://img.webmd.com/drugs/tictac/assets/8/92/7298/v0_prodweb.jpg thats what the morphines looked like. I ate the 3 I had anyway and so far nothing. I've had no drugs in over a week and no opiates/benzos in 2 weeks.
 
Really? I can feel it lightly but I even made a curry just now I'm not very fucked. When I say no tollerance I have dabbled with dhc's and oxy's plenty times. Even oxy I still usually do 50mg+ every time.

This does feel nice though. Pity my friend is currently sectioned or I'd get more lol.
 
Be fuking careful please that's a recipe for a right fuk up with the opis n benzo's .

Just think about things b4 you do them cos it's hard to reverse yeah , you promise to listen to Uncle brimz ?
Good :)
 
Benzos are more of a problem than opiates for me. I've probably done opiates 10 times in total or there abouts. Valium is really good for me almost medicinal if I only have a few. As soon as I have any kind of bulk I end up eating too many and either drinking with them & being a complete dick or going all kamakazi and eating them all at once etc. After last time I'm definately buying no more than a box of activis at once.

I really wish my mate wasn't sectioned. I'd love a couple strips of them and some morphines for my bday. My other mate was saying he quite enjoyed tramadols the other day. I will try my best lol.
 
Dr_Robotnik said:
Really? I can feel it lightly but I even made a curry just now I'm not very fucked. When I say no tollerance I have dabbled with dhc's and oxy's plenty times. Even oxy I still usually do 50mg+ every time.

This does feel nice though. Pity my friend is currently sectioned or I'd get more lol.
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Oh well then it sounds like you do have a tolerance...
But yeah as brimz said, be careful with benzo/opiate mixes, they've almost cost me my life a couple times (back when I was dumb about HR, but that's all done now).

Just be careful with benzos in general cuz they're a bitch to get hooked on.
 
Less is more with benzos . I have tried both ways many times over the t 20 years n if i had to write a paper i would probably title it .

Benzodiazipines "Less Is More "

N trust me if any1 in EADD had to write a paper on the bastard things it would be me :\

I hope your mate get's better . I think you could use it as a kinda warning as to what can happen when we over indulge . You got me worried about you now , so please be good :D
 
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