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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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i have been a member of bluelight for several years and lurked/read the forums religiously for years prior to joining. i always took it as gospel what everyone says on here: i.e., the naloxone is inert; there is no difference between suboxone and subutex. i argued with people about it. i cited the binding affinity of buprenorphine vs. naloxone, etc. then i tried a damn subutex. i swear to christ there is a major difference in the effects. i don't know why. if everything i always read on here is correct, there shouldn't be. BUT, i have never felt a single noticeable effect from taking any amount of suboxone--it has kept me from getting sick many times and has been a lifesaver, which is great, but it has never gotten me high or buzzed or made me feel even a little loopy. subutex, on the other hand, makes me feel high all day long. like i feel as good or better than as if i have taken a full agonist opiate of my choice. this all occurred when i was heavily addicted to daily full agonist opiate use--primarily oxycodone but also heroin or whatever. that is just my experience, but i repeated said "experiment" numerous times, and the results were always the same. suboxone kept me well. subutex kept me well and made me feel really high all day. i know lots of other people in the real world who share the same experience. not sure why, and it doesn't mesh with what i've always read here, but it is absolutely the case for me. not placebo.
 
injected subutex gives me a better high, i think the naloxone interferes a little bit but not enough to block the effects like they say it does. if I take 2mg of suboxone a day injecting a quarter sub will make me go from feeling shitty to feeling fine in 30 seconds, but injecting the same dose of subutex will get me feeling a light opiate buzz. sublingual still shouldn't make a difference.

if someone overdoses you should be calling 911 and performing rescue breathing not cooking up a shot of suboxone and trying to find a vein in their lifeless arm. sublingual is out of the question because although it might knock the drug off their receptors it could take 15 minutes or more to do so when they only have 10.
 
To all those taking some form of suboxone. Many complain of constipation, extreme constipation. Swim has experienced scary degress of constipation where swim wonders if she is seriously harming herself. The reason people seem to get so constipated on suboxone is two-fold. The average american doesnt consume anywhere nearly enough fiber. This is already playing with fire. Through in an extremely constipating opioid and you are bond for trouble. This cannot be stressed enough "SOMEONE WHO IS ON OPIATES, *MUST* BE SURE TO CONSUME 100% OF THEIR DAILY FIBER, DAILY!" This is soo important, and simple. It truly makes a world of a difference, to the point where you are having normal daily bowel movements like the rest of the members of society. For those who dont want to consume three hundred carrots and celery sticks, look for the fiber supplements. If you go to your local super-market and go the 'granola bar' aisle. There is a large rack of 'fiber bars' the average have between 20% of your daily fiber, thus you would consume 5 bars throughout the day. Make sure to drink a glass of water with each bar as, fiber consumed without water leads to serious stomach aches. You may find you have slight abdominal discomfort going from '0-60' that is consuming no fiber to 100%. Make sure to stay hydrated and spread the doses of fiber throughout the day. By the second or third day you will have a 'bm'. You may find your self 'very regular' but this is just a transition period, until your body adjusts to the increase in fiber intake. There is many other health benefits of fiber, which i will not get into here.
***FIBER CONSUMPTION IS *ESSENTIAL* FOR ANYONE WHO INGESTS ANY FORM OF OPIATE/OPIOID***
 
I think your overstressing the importance of fiber or the dangers of no such fiber. I use heroin daily and I still have a BM just about everyday.
 
I was stressing fiber and suboxone. Suboxone for whatever reason seems to particulary constipating.
Btw you make no mention of your diet and fiber intake.
 
Also not to be gross, but many people mention 'rectal dosing' of suboxone for the higher 'BA'. This is generally accepted as a 'no-no'. Apparently the naloxone in the sub. is detrimental when taken 'rectally'. Also there have been reports of people taking suboxone 'intra-nasally' by literally 'snorting the strip' this works in theory but swim has heard that it burns like a mother.
 
manman said:
Also not to be gross, but many people mention 'rectal dosing' of suboxone for the higher 'BA'. This is generally accepted as a 'no-no'. Apparently the naloxone in the sub. is detrimental when taken 'rectally'. Also there have been reports of people taking suboxone 'intra-nasally' by literally 'snorting the strip' this works in theory but swim has heard that it burns like a mother.
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The naloxone isn't active when I IV it, so I don't know why it would be any other ROA.

I also have naloxone by itself, and taking it on top of Suboxone does nothing to reduce the Suboxone effects.
 
Capt Heroin stole the words straight out of my mouth. We have been talking about how naloxone with bupe is virtually inactive on BL for ages, I really dont think ROA has anything to do with it.
 
Iam sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn't speaking of Naloxone's ability to interfere with bupe affinity. ( I agree it is practically useless in that regard) I was actually just speaking of the bowels and intestines. SWIM read online that naloxone when taken rectally is not good for you anus (to be frank). Although it should have no effect on affinity of bupe.
Use caution.
 
manman said:
Iam sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn't speaking of Naloxone's ability to interfere with bupe affinity. ( I agree it is practically useless in that regard) I was actually just speaking of the bowels and intestines. SWIM read online that naloxone when taken rectally is not good for you anus (to be frank). Although it should have no effect on affinity of bupe.
Use caution.
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Oh ok, thanks for clarifying. Can you source the information you found for us?
 
manman said:
Iam sorry, I should have been more clear. I wasn't speaking of Naloxone's ability to interfere with bupe affinity. ( I agree it is practically useless in that regard) I was actually just speaking of the bowels and intestines. SWIM read online that naloxone when taken rectally is not good for you anus (to be frank). Although it should have no effect on affinity of bupe.
Use caution.
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We don't use the SWIM nonsense here, man. Please edit that out of your post and just stick to "I" when clearly talking about yourself.

Check out the BLUA. It's a quick read and will get you up to speed on how things work around here.

Thanks.
 
manman... nice fiber PSA BUT I wanted to mention that if you're already into a serious bout of constipation, like it's been more than 10 days since you've gone, loading up on fiber isn't the best idea since at that time you're too backed up for it to work properly. Long durations with no BM should be treated with laxatives/enemas or whatever, something that will just do the job quickly. From there on, I agree it's important to keep a high fiber intake.
 
I cold turkeyed from sub. at 16mgs (6+months of daily use)
Was the single worst withdrawal of my life. Due to the long half life the first 3 days were just mentally debiliating (insomnia, depression, severe anxiety) But by day 4 the bupe was entirely out of my system and had terrible wd's. (vomiting, diarhea, cold-sweats, shakes, severe RLS, general body pain). The worst of the wd lasted a month. Than I was just left with crippling depression. Experienced STRONG cravings for opiates the majority of the days. Got back on bupe at around the 50 day mark...:|
 
Well I stopped 2.25 months use coming off at .5-1mg a day snorted. It's been 11.5 days and the worst was over at about 7 days but I am getting over the flu also

I am still a bit cold but wouldn't say depressed. Hard to tell because I hadn't worked for 3 months and day 8 I went back to work underground in a cold wet mine 7 days a week. It's really not that bad and I don't know if I will use again
 
I've been trying to find info about the safety of IMing the suboxone films, and haven't had much luck. Sorry if this has been covered but there's so many pages and versions of this megathread it could be a book lol... Do you guys think this would be safe to try or should I just stick to sub-lingual/occasional IV as my ROA? (this question is specific to the FILM, I'm pretty sure it's been safely done with the pills)
 
so I ended up with a quarter of a strip stuck on the bottom of my foot today

I was walking through the hall carrying a strip when it fell at some point and I stepped on it. I can't really peel it off so I was hoping the bupe would still get into my system (kinda like in that movie SLC Punk) through absorbing through my foot. Does anyone know if this is possible?
 
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