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^ Yes, and it's absolutely terrifying. To be trapped somewhere between dreaming and lucid but unable to move scream etc. I always fear this is what it's like to be dead. Once it lets go and I can move again sometimes I try to get out of bed and it grips me again instantly and I'm stuck in the nightmare state again. When I can finally move I jump out of bed and I get scared about getting back in incase it happens again. Thankfully it doesn't happen all that often but it's awful when it does and I fear going to sleep for ages afterwards.

Hello Sunshine
 
I heard that there's some awesome info in here by some really smart people.

You heard correctly :D

Glad to see you over here. I too have a hard time finding tripping buddies. My only friends where I am now are more like acquaintances and when I trip with friends back home it's only on camping trips (ideal setting for tripping BTW). The definite majority of my trips have been solo, but I don't do that anymore. It was great for soul searching and learning about myself, but I find I've had enough of that and need to trip with people to go outside myself. Solo trips have reached an end point, and I find they don't bring anything new, and now they have more of tendency to make me feel more isolated and lonely.

Unless you do the soul searching solo trip thing, it can be a while before you find a good situation to trip in. It's all about having the right people, in the right place at the right time. It can be quite hard to get the mix right, but don't rush it and settle undesirable circumstances.

About sleep; the last 3 days I've woken up fully clothed, in an awkward position with a sore neck, with the TV and lights still on. I have this sleep avoidance thing where I stay up really late because I just don't want to go to sleep, then pass out. This morning I woke up with my diluted tequila in the cup on the couch right next to me, not spilt. I took a sip when I woke up. :)
 
so I went to the doc today hoping to get a ritalin prescription, and he basically said 'you outgrew ADD so you're gonna need to get neuropsychological testing done before I can prescribe you anything' and that pissed me off lol, but he did say to take mucinex DM for my sinus problems I've been having all weekend which has DXM in it. and i thought to myself.... why only take a LITTLE bit of DXM???? so I decided to grab a bottle of delsym as well and indulge in the DXM dissociation and it has been pretty nice. I'm very sleepy and will be going to bed shortly but I wanted to wish everyone a happy MLK day. also this weekend I learned that theanine extract + alcohol = loving everybody and a complete lack of any social anxiety, at least I think.

NKB you definitely helped inspire me to indulge in this DXM tonight :)<3
 
Hah yeah NightWatch! 'The Holy Mountain' is the most ingenious movie about portraying spirituality and the absurdity of man ever made IMO - hilarious avant-garde.

The Cremaster movies are also very good, but more metaphorical and less allegorical.

Also I joined a Zen meditation group yesterday together with my housemate. I think this is going to be very helpful to me.

I postponed my MiPT trials until next week by the way. Only temporarily.
 
Yet instead I was filled with a pleasant champagne bubble anxiety (I had forgotten anxiety could be positive). Now excuse me while I go about feeling off-kilter.

Hmm... I was going to say, if you see her again, you should say hello. But it must be done with care, so as not to come off the wrong way.

This should serve as an example of how to approach strangers tactfully.

I think I'm going to go back to coffee filters anyway, seemed easier on the gut, with a cleaner high.

Do you think opiates are purely recreational drugs, or can they have therapeutic value / serve some other purpose? Just curious, I've never done them.

I got a really bad flu a few weeks ago that gave me some nice anxiety attacks. It was a ridiculous flu though. My head felt completely pressurized, I was dizzy, my ears were ringing, weakness, no appetite, hot/cold flashes, super dry skin (acne disappeared), and even though I was drinking lots of water I maybe pee'd once a day, and it wasn't much. It was like being anemic. Being sick like that is scary, you feel like you just want to be given a big shot of morphine so you can get a break.
Codeine just didn't work for me.

Aw man, makes me wanna repeatedly bang my head into a wall just hearing about it. Haha. Flus are so not coo'.

in spite of how incredibly rare fulfilling experiences have become

Incredibly fulfilling dissociative experiences seem like more of a once-in-a-blue-moon thing... for more regularly insightful/valuable trips, I would prescribe classical psychedelics. lol, imagine coming to a doctor: "I've got a bad case of the sober hum-drums." Or, "death gives me the heebie-jeebies." Then, he prescribes you LSD. :D

(DXM is truly the most peaceful dissociative, makes you feel at home)

I dunno, I think MXE takes the cake there for me.

Hello PD! Just wanted to say "Hi!" I heard from another BLer that this forum has a lot of smart people I can learn from. Haven't done much in the form of psychedelic drugs, but I've been wanting to do LSD again..haven't done it since the 90's. This isn't an invitation to random strangers lol...just been toying with the idea of finding it. I'm having a hard time finding someone who will do it with me, because the two people I can even talk to about it say they had really bad trips. Interestingly, both these guys are the bad boy types who ran with some really shady people, had some really bad pasts, and turned it around several years ago. Me, I'm just happy and positive IRL most of the time..maybe that's why I always enjoyed it.

Anyway, I probably won't post much, but I'll be reading some posts. I heard that there's some awesome info in here by some really smart people.

Hey Lysis! LSD is a great choice for getting reacquainted with serotonergics... it is such a quintessential "psychedelic". Yeah, PepperSocks had some good advice, don't trip in undesirable circumstances out of haste, wait till you've found the right trip parter(s). Or, if you'd like to do it by yourself, that's also totally valid, and can be very introspective. :)

I agree with you, I'm happy and positive IRL most of the time (probably somewhat because of LSD, because it is such a happy and positive chem =).

I did finally understand for a second why some people don't enjoy dissociatives though. I've never really been weighed down by attachments, but I was thinking about something, and can imagine how sucky one might find having the outer world (and finally themselves) dissolved into formless chaos if there were something you really didn't want to let go of.

Yeah, that has occurred to me. Maybe it takes a special lack of attachment to ordinary material reality, to do what we do - time and time again, subject it to chaotic dissolution by powerful psychoactives. For me, I almost feel oddly more at-home in the formless chaos of dissociation/psychedelia than I do in consensus reality.

About sleep; the last 3 days I've woken up fully clothed, in an awkward position with a sore neck, with the TV and lights still on. I have this sleep avoidance thing where I stay up really late because I just don't want to go to sleep, then pass out. This morning I woke up with my diluted tequila in the cup on the couch right next to me, not spilt. I took a sip when I woke up. :)

Hah. That is a huge problem of mine, sleep avoidance. Causes me to become very irritated with myself actually, because I do value sleep quite a bit.

so I went to the doc today hoping to get a ritalin prescription, and he basically said 'you outgrew ADD so you're gonna need to get neuropsychological testing done before I can prescribe you anything' and that pissed me off lol

Yeah, I'm trying to get a refill of my lorazepam, but I have to get approval from a doctor first. They are making it rather difficult for me to get the necessary approval, and I'm getting fed up with it. I'm just about ready to buy some alprazolam off the black market, and give the proverbial finger to the established, legal pharmaceutical industry.
 
Also I joined a Zen meditation group yesterday together with my housemate. I think this is going to be very helpful to me.

That's cool man. Without taking into account the potential benefits of meditation itself I think it's therapeutic just to get out of the house and do things with people.
That's an aspect of my life I have to work on. The whole urban living thing has seen my hobby/outdoor time go from 60-0. I've lived in the country my whole life where there was always a trail to ride down, always a garage with a 50 year tool build-up 50 feet away, always something to build or fix, and one of my favorites; target shooting.
These city folk around quiver when they here the word 'gun' mentioned. I prefer the terms 'rifle' or 'shotgun' myself and use it where appropriate, but I have yet to meet anyone else interested in the sport. When in a conversation about hobbies, I find myself feeling lucky when the other person's eyes don't open wide in fear when I mention target shooting.
In September when things were starting up again I thought I would get into a university archery team or club of sorts. Being an old olympic style sport I figured there would be a team or club, but there wasn't. I'm not sure if it's lack of interest or if some fear mongerers didn't like the idea of students launching wooden projectiles into a piece of styrofoam in a gymnasium.

At any rate, I miss my garage, my rifle, my field. I have to adapt somehow though and find some other way to engage in social hobbies.

Do you think opiates are purely recreational drugs, or can they have therapeutic value / serve some other purpose? Just curious, I've never done them.

Never done them?? Ever break a bone or get your wisdom teeth out? A lot of people get their first opiate fix from the medical establishment. I guess in about grade 10 or so I dabbled in the odd T3 or perc. I didn't really get bit by the bug until I broke my shoulder, got fentanyl in the ER, then again before the operation (those were like limp-body, psychedelic experiences before I passed out within 30 seconds). Besides for those times on fentanyl my entire ~3 day hospital stay was spent on IV morphine, then after I got out, 2 weeks of constant oxycodone. I guess I developed a taste somehow. Before that experience opiates were like weed, didn't care about it all that much, didn't think it was a big deal, etc.

I guess that was a bit much; I was just surprised to hear of you having never had an opiate. :P As to your question; (for me) they definitely have therapeutic value. BUT (big but), it's a spherical sword with an infinite number of edges lol. They are addictive. Moderation is crucial, and depending on the person and circumstances it can be difficult to manage. I go through phases where I'll use semi-regularly (say ~90mg codeine (equivalent generic opiate) every couple days, for about a week or two). When I get overly tired with no energy or motivation, and feel like I'm falling behind in things I'm supposed to be doing, I know I have to stop my run. It's a bit of a pain, but usually it's not too hard; like having a mild cold.

Sometimes opiate 'highs' aren't high at all and feels more like non-euphoric tranquilizer, most of the time it's simply pleasant and anxiolytic, and sometimes it can actually be profoundly peaceful and therapeutic. For me oxycodone has a tendency to give those opio-delic experiences, but only when starting from a clean system; the effect wears off in a run.

Opiates are recreational when just hanging out, they're definitely not recreational if you're doing anything active or going somewhere [enter amphetamine]. They're actually 'anti-recreational' if you have to go somewhere, it's a thing to hang out, cozy up and watch movie with.

Opiates are therapeutic when that cozy feeling reaches a certain level, and your mind is free from any pain or anxiety. It's incredibly liberating. I've had many opiate afterglows from such experiences.

Beware the Ides of March, Pandora's Box, and all that stuff. It can give you something that's not always good; perspective. After feeling all opio-cozy, regular cozy doesn't feel as cozy anymore.

Yeah, I'm trying to get a refill of my lorazepam, but I have to get approval from a doctor first. They are making it rather difficult for me to get the necessary approval, and I'm getting fed up with it. I'm just about ready to buy some alprazolam off the black market, and give the proverbial finger to the established, legal pharmaceutical industry.

God, the only things I bother asking my doctor for are things that aren't scheduled in any way and have no abuse potential. If I want something that I know doctors are going to be suspicious of I just cut the corner and find an RC equivalent or go black market. Sad state of affairs, unregulated, untested chemicals or dealing with situations that could be dangerous or have legal consequences vs. just letting people have a reasonable quantity of something researched and relatively safe that would improve their quality of life.
 
^Been using amps again, pepper?

SONN said:
NKB you definitely helped inspire me to indulge in this DXM tonight

That's why I'm here, to inspire you. Hope it was good fun.

TAC said:
Hah. That is a huge problem of mine, sleep avoidance. Causes me to become very irritated with myself actually, because I do value sleep quite a bit.

I do this too.
 
PepperSocks said:
God, the only things I bother asking my doctor for are things that aren't scheduled in any way and have no abuse potential. If I want something that I know doctors are going to be suspicious of I just cut the corner and find an RC equivalent or go black market. Sad state of affairs, unregulated, untested chemicals or dealing with situations that could be dangerous or have legal consequences vs. just letting people have a reasonable quantity of something researched and relatively safe that would improve their quality of life.

Heh heh heh...I happen to be one of those evil doctors denying scripts left and right. What's that you want? Opiates? benzos? stims? ;)

I'm not absolutely opposed to prescribing any of these, but I'm well aware of the potential consequences of patient-driven psychopharmacology. Frankly, I don't think people know what's best for them (i.e. what will improve the quality of their lives in the long run)...and a big part of that opinion is derived from my experience as a member of this board.
 
socks said:
just letting people have a reasonable quantity of something researched and relatively safe that would improve their quality of life.

dondante said:
Frankly, I don't think people know what's best for them (i.e. what will improve the quality of their lives in the long run)...and a big part of that opinion is derived from my experience as a member of this board.

I'm with dondante on this one. It's runs counter to the purpose of the medical to profession to indulge people's whims for easy solutions andinstant results, when in reality they're just avoiding dealing with the problem and running a high risk of developing dependency and/or the exacerbation of the original problem.
 
Heh heh heh...I happen to be one of those evil doctors denying scripts left and right. What's that you want? Opiates? benzos? stims? ;)

I'm not absolutely opposed to prescribing any of these, but I'm well aware of the potential consequences of patient-driven psychopharmacology. Frankly, I don't think people know what's best for them (i.e. what will improve the quality of their lives in the long run)...and a big part of that opinion is derived from my experience as a member of this board.

IMO, ideally, you'd just let these patients find out that they don't know what's good for them the hard way. But, I can appreciate that you don't have that liberty, given the current cultural / legal climate for doctors.

At any rate, I miss my garage, my rifle, my field. I have to adapt somehow though and find some other way to engage in social hobbies.

Do you plan to move back out to the country at some point? Sounds like you're most at home there. I've been thrilled with my college experience overall, but if there one thing living in the midst of all this urban chaos has convinced me, it's that my dream is to live in some quaint little abode out in the woods somewhere, if I ever get the chance. :P

Ever break a bone or get your wisdom teeth out?

Nope, neither. =D

Beware the Ides of March, Pandora's Box, and all that stuff. It can give you something that's not always good; perspective. After feeling all opio-cozy, regular cozy doesn't feel as cozy anymore.

Yeah, that's exactly what was happening to me with MXE, and is why I'm kind of afraid of the chemical now.


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I'm with dondante on this one. It's runs counter to the purpose of the medical to profession to indulge people's whims for easy solutions andinstant results, when in reality they're just avoiding dealing with the problem and running a high risk of developing dependency and/or the exacerbation of the original problem.

I agree to an extent - that's what doctor's recommendations are for. But it's crossing the line to overlord medical opinion over people by force of law, and imprison them for choosing what chemicals to put in their own body, which is basically what you're threatening if you refuse to prescribe something.

If you went to a doctor and asked him or her about his opinion on your use of high-dose DXM for psychoactive purposes, I'm certain he would recommend against it. Yet you still choose to use. Ideally, would you like the power to make this decision be taken away from you entirely?
 
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^I am of course opposed to prohibition and the restriction of psychoactives for recreational/personal use, but that doesn't change the fact that prescribing them for such purposes would be highly unethical.

Actually I'm for decriminalization of everything, and legalization (ya'know FDA monitoring, selling at stores, basically societal endorsement) of a limited number of compounds for recreational use, with varying degrees of restrictions.
 
^ Fair enough. But, what about, for example, the circumstance of my doctor, who apparently disagrees with me that I can derive therapeutic benefit from benzos?

Since we all have a right to treat our own bodies in whatever way we please, shouldn't he prescribe it to me no matter what? Isn't it an infringement of basic human rights for him to make it a crime for me to buy and possess benzodiazepines, by refusing to prescribe me them?

BTW that's not a question specifically directed at you, Never - I invite all to answer that question.
 
so I went to the doc today hoping to get a ritalin prescription, and he basically said 'you outgrew ADD so you're gonna need to get neuropsychological testing done before I can prescribe you anything' and that pissed me off lol, but he did say to take mucinex DM for my sinus problems I've been having all weekend which has DXM in it. and i thought to myself.... why only take a LITTLE bit of DXM???? so I decided to grab a bottle of delsym as well and indulge in the DXM dissociation and it has been pretty nice. I'm very sleepy and will be going to bed shortly but I wanted to wish everyone a happy MLK day. also this weekend I learned that theanine extract + alcohol = loving everybody and a complete lack of any social anxiety, at least I think.

NKB you definitely helped inspire me to indulge in this DXM tonight :)<3

i kinda went thru something similar within the last year, i have been getting adderall from the same dr for ~10years and i went in and it was his aid not him who i spoke to and she basically questioned me having the disorder n made me take some stupid 100+ question test where you have to totally disagree disagree neutral agree or totally agree n i was offended she made me waste my time n take the test n question a diagnosis i have had to deal with for close to 15 years but after wasting my time with the test n throwin a little attitude her way i got my script n left
 
Actually I'm for decriminalization of everything, and legalization (ya'know FDA monitoring, selling at stores, basically societal endorsement) of a limited number of compounds for recreational use, with varying degrees of restrictions.

I'm with you on that...at least as far as personal use goes. Trafficking of certain drugs is a different story.

Since we all have a right to treat our own bodies in whatever way we please, shouldn't he prescribe it to me no matter what? Isn't it an infringement of basic human rights for him to make it a crime for me to buy and possess benzodiazepines, by refusing to prescribe me them?

I think it's unethical to prescribe something that one believes will cause more harm than good. Primum non nocere, first do no harm. I don't know the specifics of your situation, TAC, but no, I don't think doctors should prescribe anything a patient requests. And in response to your second question, medical professionals do not make anything a crime.
 
so has anyone here tried a micro dose mushroom regimine? taking like .1-.2 of mushrooms daily or every other day for extended periods of time?

ive read into it n it seems somewhat promising in regards to depression and even motivation, some things ive been struggling with as of recently,

well today was my first go i took about 150mg of mushroom matter n so far so good, i only took em under an hour ago so i dont have much to report but i am curious if anyone has done this? but my main reason for coming in and asking is i only had 1.5 Gs of mushroom layin around. so if i go daily this will be gone in 10days, i could most likely source some mushrooms but i still have quite the amount of 4 AcO DMT, 4HO MET, and 4HO MIPT laying around n i was wondering if this is something i decide to continue do yall think the substituting the 4 Aco for the mushies would be similar enough that the results wouldnt change much? i know they are damn similar substances in the end but im just lookin for some second opinions, also i have not seen others reports of doing the micro dosing with 4 Aco would 1-2mg be somewhat equivalent?
 
so has anyone here tried a micro dose mushroom regimine? taking like .1-.2 of mushrooms daily or every other day for extended periods of time?

ive read into it n it seems somewhat promising in regards to depression and even motivation, some things ive been struggling with as of recently,

well today was my first go i took about 150mg of mushroom matter n so far so good, i only took em under an hour ago so i dont have much to report but i am curious if anyone has done this? but my main reason for coming in and asking is i only had 1.5 Gs of mushroom layin around. so if i go daily this will be gone in 10days, i could most likely source some mushrooms but i still have quite the amount of 4 AcO DMT, 4HO MET, and 4HO MIPT laying around n i was wondering if this is something i decide to continue do yall think the substituting the 4 Aco for the mushies would be similar enough that the results wouldnt change much? i know they are damn similar substances in the end but im just lookin for some second opinions, also i have not seen others reports of doing the micro dosing with 4 Aco would 1-2mg be somewhat equivalent?

I don't do this but it sounds very promising.
I think dosing with the 4 Aco would work seeing as how it gets converted into psilocin.
Good luck :)

Also, just finished a dubby tune last night
http://soundcloud.com/kasura/indica
 
Whats up PD? I used to be a regular years ago, and now I'm am getting ready to get back into psychs. I'm glad all of you guys are here to help me ease back into everything.
 
highonlife said:
so has anyone here tried a micro dose mushroom regimine? taking like .1-.2 of mushrooms daily or every other day for extended periods of time?

There are a number of threads on the topic, if you haven't searched'em up yet. Someone makes one every once a while, not sure if they go anywhere or provide any decent info though.
 
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