The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

[kidklmx]

Hey a question for you regular tokers, has anyone noticed getting visuals ever since taking NBOMe? Weed has always increased the static vision I have, but ever since doing NBOMes that static vision starts to form real psychedelic visuals (regardless of opening or closing my eyes), things like wormholes and just regular weird stuff. This only happens when I smoke weed in a dark room alone. (I used to use it as a sleeping aid, but now I can't anymore)

Another thing, my tolerance is way down since NBOMe. It's a good thing though.


(p.s Maybe I've asked this already, I'm not sure)

 

[dan k]

IMO 25c is more visual than 25i at 700ug
There is more visuals and less body stimulation off either(25i,25c) if you where to do 700ug naisaly compared to even 1200ug sublingualy.

 

[zn13bt]

If I had little to no experience with the chem, I would completely take the corrections, but my personal experience has confirmed the numbers I gave. I understand it IS very different for everyone though, so I apologize for coming out first as this being the law. It's strange that 500ug can be 3000ug to another, and it's a fact that I tend to forget.

In that case, you're one of the few people who have directly compared complexed with non-complexed...

I wonder if the size of the blotter makes a difference. When I take a buccal dose I measure out my solution and drop it onto a (roughly) 3/8" x 1-1/2" strip of paper towel, which is about 9 times bigger than a 1/4" square of "standard" blotter. Maybe the increased surface area in contact with the gums makes absorption of non-complexed HCl more effective...?

 

[abrad84]

So there is less of a chance of OD and more leeway when dosing.

I'd be very wary of drawing a conclusion like that from the limited data currently available.

 

[doppelgänger1]

Which liquid is best to be used for liquid measurement of 25i-nbome? Is it stable in solution?

 

[ShaggyFin]

Which liquid is best to be used for liquid measurement of 25i-nbome? Is it stable in solution?

I've heard the 25's are readily soluble in ethanol.

 

[Solipsis]

25I-NBOH questions moved here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/661146-The-Small-amp-Handy-25I-NBOH-Thread

Carry on.

 

[Sepher]

Which liquid is best to be used for liquid measurement of 25i-nbome? Is it stable in solution?

I use plain old vodka. It's really quite stable in alcohol and it will help prevent bacterial growth if stored in a cool, dark place like the fridge in the short to medium term at least. HCl is fairly readily soluble in water too, though my feeling is alcohol helps with both solubility, and nasal absorption ( though it stings like buggery for a few seconds dosing it that way and isn't something you'd want to be squirting up your nose on a daily basis, not that you would! ). I may be making that last bit about absorption up, I can't say where I got it from. I think you could dilute the vodka down still further from the 40% alcohol or whatever it is to make dosing easier and still get the benefit of it.

 

[ShaggyFin]

I use plain old vodka. It's really quite stable in alcohol and it will help prevent bacterial growth if stored in a cool, dark place like the fridge in the short to medium term at least. HCl is fairly readily soluble in water too, though my feeling is alcohol helps with both solubility, and nasal absorption ( though it stings like buggery for a few seconds dosing it that way and isn't something you'd want to be squirting up your nose on a daily basis, not that you would! ). I may be making that last bit about absorption up, I can't say where I got it from. I think you could dilute the vodka down still further from the 40% alcohol or whatever it is to make dosing easier and still get the benefit of it.

What do you think about iso alcohol? Do you think it would be just as good as vodka, as long as you let it evaporate?

Anyone else that can answer the question above please feel free too.

And also.
What are everyone's thoughts about getting some No-Doze, crushing it up and mixing it in the Iso (if iso is ok to use). Then mixing in the 25I...
I would make it at around... 50-100mg (200mg tops) caffeine per 1mg of 25I. Then dose (assuming I do 100mg/1mg) at around 20mg, and work my way up?

Does everyone think this sounds ok? Or would sugar be a better alternative? Or... Suggestions?

 

[IamMe90]

What do you think about iso alcohol? Do you think it would be just as good as vodka, as long as you let it evaporate?

It would not be any better than vodka, 25i is insanely soluble in 40% abv liquor. Why use iso at all? Yes, you could evaporate it, but isn't it easier to use something you don't have to evaporate, don't have to worry about potential health risks, and is easily available?

 

[ShaggyFin]

It would not be any better than vodka, 25i is insanely soluble in 40% abv liquor. Why use iso at all? Yes, you could evaporate it, but isn't it easier to use something you don't have to evaporate, don't have to worry about potential health risks, and is easily available?

Drinking alcohol is just more expensive, and I'd rather have it in powder than liquid form. I do see the "up" side of putting it in liquor though...

 

[IamMe90]

you can get a 750ml of cheap vodka for like $8. That's really not expensive, throw the rest away if you don't want to drink it. Why would you rather have it in powder form? What's the advantage?

 

[ShaggyFin]

you can get a 750ml of cheap vodka for like $8. That's really not expensive, throw the rest away if you don't want to drink it. Why would you rather have it in powder form? What's the advantage?

No real advantage. I would just rather use a scale to dose than a ml measurer. I do have one though from medicine from my recent whooping cough (whole town got it). So either way it will work out, and I turn 21 in a few days, so I can buy liquor soon. So I might do either way, not sure.


What does everyone think about caffeine or sugar as a cut though? And do you think the alcohol would break it down evenly onto the cut?

 

[IamMe90]

No real advantage. I would just rather use a scale to dose than a ml measurer. I do have one though from medicine from my recent whooping cough (whole town got it). So either way it will work out, and I turn 21 in a few days, so I can buy liquor soon. So I might do either way, not sure.


What does everyone think about caffeine or sugar as a cut though? And do you think the alcohol would break it down evenly onto the cut?

You can't use a scale to measure out 25i-nbome... even if you evaporate the liquid, you still have to measure out that liquid using a tool that measures ml, in order to know how much liquid to evaporate in the first place. You cannot get around using volumetric measuring for this class of drugs, so if that's the real reason why you want to use isopropyl alcohol over vodka, then don't bother.

 

[ShaggyFin]

You can't use a scale to measure out 25i-nbome... even if you evaporate the liquid, you still have to measure out that liquid using a tool that measures ml, in order to know how much liquid to evaporate in the first place. You cannot get around using volumetric measuring for this class of drugs, so if that's the real reason why you want to use isopropyl alcohol over vodka, then don't bother.

NO. I could just dump random amount of Iso in container. Add Sugar (100mg per hit). Add 25I (1mg per 100mg of sugar). Stir. Let dry. At the end there should be 1mg of 25I in every 100mg of sugar. Whether or not I measure out the liquid.

Then dose on scale. 10mg sugar should be 100 micrograms 25I. Or is that "Volumetric measuring" I'm not sure what that is.

What about blotters. How does everyone feel about blotters and this chem?

Or what about replacing Vodka/Citric acid with Orange Juice. Would this work?

I have found a solution of 25i-NBOME and propylene glycol vaporized in an e-cig to be quite an effective method of administration.

THIS is a very interesting post :D What are everyone's thoughts about vaping ethanol?

To someone who hasn't tried this drug, but wants to: START LOW. 400-500ug should be the most you do the first time, and you can never take less once you've done it, so keep that in mind. With 25i-NBOMe especially the effects are incredibly variable from person to person, and just because someone has had a weak trip at 1.2mg doesn't mean 1.2mg won't be way too much for you the first time.

This seems very strange. I had experience with 2c-I, and I feel like there was never really much of a "tolerance build up". I had no problems ever with two or even three days of tripping in a row. I never had to take more to feel the same effects, and I never felt like 1 hit ever got weaker, even when I started trying 3-4 hits at a time. Does 25I really build tolerance like that in many people's cases.

Hello all. I have some 25i nbome hcl arriving this week. My last interaction with this drug consisted of dissolving it for volumetic dosing, then was adinistered nasaly. It worked fine, but does not seem like a very practical solution.

I was thinking about mixing this batch in Jello-O to be absorved buccally. Easier to dose and to store. Does anyone have experience with this? Is it as good an idea as it seems or am I missing something?

This post also interests me. Thoughts?

so I have a tab of 800ug 25i, and I'm considering taking it. I don't want to be up all night though. around how many hours after dosing can one usually go to sleep? another question is there any mindfuck? thought loops, paranoia, self doubt, all the stuff that can show up with a high dose of lsd? I'm in a pretty good place mentally. I have methylone handy in case I needed a positive boost I guess. so what's up?

Good question, how is sleeping on this stuff?

 

[Sepher]

"Volumetric measuring" I'm not sure what that is.

Volumetric dosing is simply dissolving a given weight into a given volume of solvent to give a given dose per ml. The advantage of it is that it averages out the dose to compensate for any inaccuracy in the scale or the weighing.

For example, your may have a 0.001g scale but it may be really accurate only to +/- a couple of mg, especially if you mishandle it. Not nearly accurate enough for NBOMes in powder form. Dissolve 10mg +/- 2mg into 1ml solvent then 0.1ml is gonna be in the range 0.8-1.2mg. That's still a wide enough range for NBOMes but it's a damn sight better than being an mg or 2 out, that would really be quite serious, potentially deadly.

If you want to check your maths for volumetric dosing of that kind run it by us first.

Good question, how is sleeping on this stuff?

There is some residual stimulation once the major effects are over. Allow 10 hours start to finish from effects properly kicking in, perhaps a little more, the trip itself around 5-6 hours at something like peak. There is not quite as much residual stimulation as I used to get from LSD but it is there. Generally speaking the fall off is fast, and quite comfortable, so long as you have not dosed so high that body load is at the extreme end of things.

 

[ShaggyFin]

Volumetric dosing is simply dissolving a given weight into a given volume of solvent to give a given dose per ml. The advantage of it is that it averages out the dose to compensate for any inaccuracy in the scale or the weighing.

For example, your may have a 0.001g scale but it may be really accurate only to +/- a couple of mg, especially if you mishandle it. Not nearly accurate enough for NBOMes in powder form. Dissolve 10mg +/- 2mg into 1ml solvent then 0.1ml is gonna be in the range 0.8-1.2mg. That's still a wide enough range for NBOMes but it's a damn sight better than being an mg or 2 out, that would really be quite serious, potentially deadly.

If you want to check your maths for volumetric dosing of that kind run it by us first.



There is some residual stimulation once the major effects are over. Allow 10 hours start to finish from effects properly kicking in, perhaps a little more, the trip itself around 5-6 hours at something like peak. There is not quite as much residual stimulation as I used to get from LSD but it is there. Generally speaking the fall off is fast, and quite comfortable, so long as you have not dosed so high that body load is at the extreme end of things.

I plan on dosing low and working my way up so don't worry.

My plan is first experience start at 250mcg. Hopefully it feels like ecstasy and I can get a good feel for the threshold of this stuff, then I'll maybe take a second 250mcg dose, but I want to see if 250mcg is effective on it's own (everyone compares this stuff to acid, which is cool, but I'd like to see if low doses can act like ecstasy too much body load and hallucinations.

Then eventually I will work my way up to 1mg then eventually work my way to mixing it with NBOH :D

 

[weadazoid]

Volumetric dosing is simply dissolving a given weight into a given volume of solvent to give a given dose per ml. The advantage of it is that it averages out the dose to compensate for any inaccuracy in the scale or the weighing.

For example, your may have a 0.001g scale but it may be really accurate only to +/- a couple of mg, especially if you mishandle it. Not nearly accurate enough for NBOMes in powder form. Dissolve 10mg +/- 2mg into 1ml solvent then 0.1ml is gonna be in the range 0.8-1.2mg. That's still a wide enough range for NBOMes but it's a damn sight better than being an mg or 2 out, that would really be quite serious, potentially deadly.

If you want to check your maths for volumetric dosing of that kind run it by us first.



There is some residual stimulation once the major effects are over. Allow 10 hours start to finish from effects properly kicking in, perhaps a little more, the trip itself around 5-6 hours at something like peak. There is not quite as much residual stimulation as I used to get from LSD but it is there. Generally speaking the fall off is fast, and quite comfortable, so long as you have not dosed so high that body load is at the extreme end of things.

quite well said Seph and even if you are lucky enough to have access to a .0001g digital Ohaus scale (real microgram) as I do you still have to know what you are doing. Basically a good breaze can alter the scale reading, which is why it is nice to have it in a sealed enclosure set to simply rest and generate a true reading.



-it does make me a little curious as to weather given the scale I have insufulating pure powder HCL at 500ug would do anything, from what I have read yes it would. BUT I would think it is probably better to have it solved for even transmission through the membranes.



technically I could measure it out... but then I am not sure what I would do to store it.... LOL I mean having a bunch of little jars filled with nearly microscopic levels of powder in them isn't the best thing. HCL is just a bit sticky IMO not the easiest thing to work with. It pours OK when you have a lot of it, but it sticks to surfaces easily


For now I will be sticking to sublingual .... and maybe getting a chance to jump back in soon..... it's been a good 5 weeks since my last experience with 1mg... maybe within the next month or so an opportunity will come up for me and my honey to get away...


I said I would stay away until the summer but this stuff is just too much fun. having experienced this twice in my home, I think I will want to be in a nice spa hotel....


It would be very cool to walk around, get a massage, jump in a in room hot tub and have some fun on this stuff.... once we get our bearings LOL

 

[ShaggyFin]

Can anyone help with this stuff?[/B]

Quote Originally Posted by IamMe90 View Post

You can't use a scale to measure out 25i-nbome... even if you evaporate the liquid, you still have to measure out that liquid using a tool that measures ml, in order to know how much liquid to evaporate in the first place. You cannot get around using volumetric measuring for this class of drugs, so if that's the real reason why you want to use isopropyl alcohol over vodka, then don't bother.
NO. I could just dump random amount of Iso in container. Add Sugar (100mg per hit). Add 25I (1mg per 100mg of sugar). Stir. Let dry. At the end there should be 1mg of 25I in every 100mg of sugar. Whether or not I measure out the liquid.

Then dose on scale. 10mg sugar should be 100 micrograms 25I. Or is that "Volumetric measuring" I'm not sure what that is.

What about blotters. How does everyone feel about blotters and this chem?

Or what about replacing Vodka/Citric acid with Orange Juice. Would this work?






Quote Originally Posted by Iridium View Post

I have found a solution of 25i-NBOME and propylene glycol vaporized in an e-cig to be quite an effective method of administration.
THIS is a very interesting post What are everyone's thoughts about vaping ethanol?






Quote Originally Posted by Expect View Post

To someone who hasn't tried this drug, but wants to: START LOW. 400-500ug should be the most you do the first time, and you can never take less once you've done it, so keep that in mind. With 25i-NBOMe especially the effects are incredibly variable from person to person, and just because someone has had a weak trip at 1.2mg doesn't mean 1.2mg won't be way too much for you the first time.
This seems very strange. I had experience with 2c-I, and I feel like there was never really much of a "tolerance build up". I had no problems ever with two or even three days of tripping in a row. I never had to take more to feel the same effects, and I never felt like 1 hit ever got weaker, even when I started trying 3-4 hits at a time. Does 25I really build tolerance like that in many people's cases.






Quote Originally Posted by primeguy View Post

Hello all. I have some 25i nbome hcl arriving this week. My last interaction with this drug consisted of dissolving it for volumetic dosing, then was adinistered nasaly. It worked fine, but does not seem like a very practical solution.

I was thinking about mixing this batch in Jello-O to be absorved buccally. Easier to dose and to store. Does anyone have experience with this? Is it as good an idea as it seems or am I missing something?
This post also interests me. Thoughts?






Quote Originally Posted by down508 View Post

so I have a tab of 800ug 25i, and I'm considering taking it. I don't want to be up all night though. around how many hours after dosing can one usually go to sleep? another question is there any mindfuck? thought loops, paranoia, self doubt, all the stuff that can show up with a high dose of lsd? I'm in a pretty good place mentally. I have methylone handy in case I needed a positive boost I guess. so what's up?
Good question, how is sleeping on this stuff?

 

[Transform]

It would be good if you could highlight your questions in those posts SF

NBOMes will dissolve in orange juice.
Vaporising that much ethanol will have no effect on you.
Yes, the NBOMes build tolerance incredibly quickly.
Yes, so long as the jello dissolves this will work the same as any other buccal method.
Usually NBOMes will keep one awake for 8-10 hours after dosing.