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Movemauser
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A good extract can also synergise well with leaf and powdered leaf. It can reduce the amount of leaf material needed for one dose. Good timing is needed as generally extracts act a bit quicker.
aguythatlikessmoke
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I would recommend you stick to regular Kratom F that Extract stuff. And try Maeng Da Kratom its not an extract though it is very potent narcotic, Euphoric, Stimulative, Sedativ high. Kratom mixes well with Amphetamines Uppers the high is f'''' awesome when you mix Kratom with Amphetamines. Takes away the jitters and you feel the positive vibe of both drugs. You feel your opiate like effect and you feel the stimulation associated with Speed. Don't Worry Kratom. It binds to the Delta Opiod Receptor. IT has low sedativ and respiratory depression low effects on that. Overdose potential is low and when you mix with it amps its grant.Though kratom has some indo stimulative alkaloids that seem to give Amphetamines a greater kick.
Yesterday I got ripped off buying some Kratom from a head shop. After i noticed i was quite pissed off since i could have gotten 3 times as much if i got it elsewhere for the same price. I took about 4grams of thai via capsules expecting a less than hydro high. To my surprise the herb was very euphoric comparable to 20-30mg of hydrocodone. The drug is dirt cheap, cheaper then weed(depending on tolerance) and will be the only drug i use now since i hate the effects weed has on me.
Hi all,
I bought some Red Vein Sumatra the other day (from an apparently reputable vendor). The stuff was in a very fine powdered form. Having eaten nothing since the night before I wolfed down approximately 12g, chased with some water. Being a seasoned opiate user, I was hoping (maybe my expectations were too high) that it might provide some sort of opiation effect. Nonesuch. Granted I did feel slightly warmer and slightly dizzy but I wouldn't even compare it to 100mg of codeine (and I don't even like codeine). I don't want to be scathing of Kratom since a great deal of people I know swear by it but am I doing something wrong? should I try a different strain?
Postscript: I currently take Mirtazapine (Remeron) at 30mg, could this be blocking certain receptors? (I haven't noticed much of a change in effect with opioids since i've been on it)
Ta!
I bought some Red Vein Sumatra the other day (from an apparently reputable vendor). The stuff was in a very fine powdered form. Having eaten nothing since the night before I wolfed down approximately 12g, chased with some water. Being a seasoned opiate user, I was hoping (maybe my expectations were too high) that it might provide some sort of opiation effect. Nonesuch. Granted I did feel slightly warmer and slightly dizzy but I wouldn't even compare it to 100mg of codeine (and I don't even like codeine). I don't want to be scathing of Kratom since a great deal of people I know swear by it but am I doing something wrong? should I try a different strain?
Postscript: I currently take Mirtazapine (Remeron) at 30mg, could this be blocking certain receptors? (I haven't noticed much of a change in effect with opioids since i've been on it)
Ta!
Snake_Eyes
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Mirtazapine in my experience doesn't block kratom. I was on 30mg and one teaspoon with some weed gave me great effects.
Just a general question to some of the fellow Kratom aficionados here. I've always loved Kratom and used it to replace opiates many times when trying to clean my life up. I've always preferred whole leaf strains to extracts, and Bali is my go to. The only thing I don't quite understand, and I'm not sure if it's me personally, but has anyone ever experienced anxiety when just starting Kratom. Like I've gone on and off of it plenty of times, and usually for the first week it makes me feel just a little anxious and kind of disassociated from things, not in a real bad way, but just not entirely present. I don't know if it's a drug that builds up in your system but after a week or more of use the anxiolytic and analgesic properties start to become a lot more pronounced and it becomes more pleasant overall. Idk, just my two-cents and experience, wondering if anyone has had the same issue.
Snake_Eyes
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I got anxiety only in the beginning. I think just because it's a new substance and I don't really know what to expect, opiates were the same way. Always doing it with weed probably didn't help lol.
aguythatlikessmoke
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Ahhh I have been using Kratom for a few months. Never took Extract. Kratom has a host of effects from Stimulation to Sedation to even Sexual stimulation, Aphrodisia.
To Summarize my effects
Bali Kratom: Nodding off, Enhanced enjoyment of Music, Body Sedation, Mental Sedation, Heavy mental feeling, Anxiolytic effect. Warmth glowing, Euphoria, Inner peace.
Effective Sleep aid, Very sedating Especially in higher dosages. My recommended usage is to take Bali if you want to rest and stay at home in the evening. It is effective for anxiety. You will Nod as well its awesome your eyes will go shut. It will be hard to keep them open, You will have a nice body high.
Golden Indo Kratom/ Indo Kratom: Empathy slight, Euphoria, Pleasant Stimulation, Aphrodisiac for me at least , Increased Sex drive, Huge appreciation of Music, Relaxation as noted with all varieties of Kratom, Sociability could increase, Perhaps a nootropic effect?? Feeling Good
Maeng Da Kratom; Increased Sex drive, Simultaneous Stimulation and sedation, Nodding off, Sociability, Inner warmth , decreased fear, Warm feeling aloft , Powerful mind blowing Euphoria experienced, Disconnected from your problems, Dramatic Anxiety Reduction, Anti-Depressant Moderate effect,Happiness but a natural feeling something your mind could regularly produce not like the happy feeling from Amphetamines something different but pleasant. Relaxation
Kratom is amazing, its not like weed where you get paranoid or where you go through laughing hysterically. Your mind is rather clear on Kratom sometimes more so, I would consider Kratom to be Nootropic as well. Normal Mental functions are retained you don't lose yourself as the case with high doses of lets say Alcohol, Weed, Speed.
You do feel social, Euphoric, A warmth in your soul and a warmth that spreads over your body, a Calming entity. Sometimes you feel a head high and warmth that builds in your head. Stimulating and slightly anxiogenic in the first 15-30 minutes of dosing, this can be experienced as well. Bali Kratom is not anxiogenic at all. Maeng Da Kratom is anxiogenic in the start though this tends to dissipate and follow with warmth and Euphoria later on Slight Sedation occurs.
Bali Kratom is the best for Sleep Induction, Hypnotic effect and for reduction in Anxiety and tension.
Although all of the Kratom strains are Anti Depressing and Anxiety reducing though first few minutes could be slightly anxiogenic. Kratom is known to contain Alkaloids that are similiar to Yohimbe this contributes to Stimulation.
And the fact that Kratom has a vast amount of Alkaloids.
The main ones known are Mitryagnine, 7 -OH- Mitryagnine which could have invivo effects surpassing that of Morphine.
Family is Rubiaceae
A huge family of plants
Its Alkaloids are Indole type Alkaloids and not Opiod Type Alkaloids found in Papaver Somniferum
Genus is Mitryagnine
Name Mitryagnine Speciosa
It could have 5HT subtype 2a agonist antagonist effects similiar to that noted of psilocybin and similiar effects to Antipsychotic Abilify.
To Summarize my effects
Bali Kratom: Nodding off, Enhanced enjoyment of Music, Body Sedation, Mental Sedation, Heavy mental feeling, Anxiolytic effect. Warmth glowing, Euphoria, Inner peace.
Effective Sleep aid, Very sedating Especially in higher dosages. My recommended usage is to take Bali if you want to rest and stay at home in the evening. It is effective for anxiety. You will Nod as well its awesome your eyes will go shut. It will be hard to keep them open, You will have a nice body high.
Golden Indo Kratom/ Indo Kratom: Empathy slight, Euphoria, Pleasant Stimulation, Aphrodisiac for me at least , Increased Sex drive, Huge appreciation of Music, Relaxation as noted with all varieties of Kratom, Sociability could increase, Perhaps a nootropic effect?? Feeling Good
Maeng Da Kratom; Increased Sex drive, Simultaneous Stimulation and sedation, Nodding off, Sociability, Inner warmth , decreased fear, Warm feeling aloft , Powerful mind blowing Euphoria experienced, Disconnected from your problems, Dramatic Anxiety Reduction, Anti-Depressant Moderate effect,Happiness but a natural feeling something your mind could regularly produce not like the happy feeling from Amphetamines something different but pleasant. Relaxation
Kratom is amazing, its not like weed where you get paranoid or where you go through laughing hysterically. Your mind is rather clear on Kratom sometimes more so, I would consider Kratom to be Nootropic as well. Normal Mental functions are retained you don't lose yourself as the case with high doses of lets say Alcohol, Weed, Speed.
You do feel social, Euphoric, A warmth in your soul and a warmth that spreads over your body, a Calming entity. Sometimes you feel a head high and warmth that builds in your head. Stimulating and slightly anxiogenic in the first 15-30 minutes of dosing, this can be experienced as well. Bali Kratom is not anxiogenic at all. Maeng Da Kratom is anxiogenic in the start though this tends to dissipate and follow with warmth and Euphoria later on Slight Sedation occurs.
Bali Kratom is the best for Sleep Induction, Hypnotic effect and for reduction in Anxiety and tension.
Although all of the Kratom strains are Anti Depressing and Anxiety reducing though first few minutes could be slightly anxiogenic. Kratom is known to contain Alkaloids that are similiar to Yohimbe this contributes to Stimulation.
And the fact that Kratom has a vast amount of Alkaloids.
The main ones known are Mitryagnine, 7 -OH- Mitryagnine which could have invivo effects surpassing that of Morphine.
Family is Rubiaceae
A huge family of plants
Its Alkaloids are Indole type Alkaloids and not Opiod Type Alkaloids found in Papaver Somniferum
Genus is Mitryagnine
Name Mitryagnine Speciosa
It could have 5HT subtype 2a agonist antagonist effects similiar to that noted of psilocybin and similiar effects to Antipsychotic Abilify.
aguythatlikessmoke
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If you find that Kratom is generating anxiety do not worry. I would recommend you stick to Bali Kratom then. It is the most sedating strain. The different Strains have different alkaloids and content of alkaloids with different agonist antagonist properties. So some are obviously Stimulating.
I would also advise to use Kratom on and off not daily as the magic fades. Though to admit Kratom can generate warmth, Euphoria and a good feeling that surpasses Cannabis and Amphetamine and it retains these properties for a long time.
Another thing that amazes me about Kratom is huge musical appreciation. Music and Kratom mix so well.
I would also advise to use Kratom on and off not daily as the magic fades. Though to admit Kratom can generate warmth, Euphoria and a good feeling that surpasses Cannabis and Amphetamine and it retains these properties for a long time.
Another thing that amazes me about Kratom is huge musical appreciation. Music and Kratom mix so well.
aguythatlikessmoke
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ACtually Kratom is one of the most amazing substance I have tried. I took a lot tonight and I am experiencing the good side of existence.
Fresco
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Has anyone else noticed you become more emotional when you're coming off kratom?? I was watching a nature film and some baby impala got eaten by a cheetah, and I nearly started tearing up.....LOL
silentcowboy
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Has anyone else noticed you become more emotional when you're coming off kratom?? I was watching a nature film and some baby impala got eaten by a cheetah, and I nearly started tearing up.....LOL
Yeah I do too, although Ive never fully kicked. just when I was waiting for the mail.
jones-in_J
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Does anyone else really enjoy malaysian kratom ?? Since heroin is my DOC amd i heard bali is the closest to other opiates ive always stuck with that one but the last time i ordered it i got a variety sample pack... i accidebtmy took the malaysiam kratpm when i meant to take bali because i was about to go to sleep and having very very very minor heroin withdrawals... well long story short the kratpm caused me to pull an all nighter without any sleep but i felt GREAT that night amd the folllwing day... with the opiate warmth but energy as if i took an adderalo
Oh yea and does anyone else hate maeng da?? Ive tried like 6 strains of kratom and a lot of people rant and rave about that one in particular but i found it to be extremely shitty anf by far the least enjoyable... and ive tried it from both my amazingand reputable online dealer and also the overpriced headshop pre-capsuled "captain kratom"
Oh yea and does anyone else hate maeng da?? Ive tried like 6 strains of kratom and a lot of people rant and rave about that one in particular but i found it to be extremely shitty anf by far the least enjoyable... and ive tried it from both my amazingand reputable online dealer and also the overpriced headshop pre-capsuled "captain kratom"
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Anyone else find Green Riau to be utter shit? Absolutely no effects other than constipation no matter how much I dose. In fact, I went through full-on withdrawals while taking the Riau after coming off White Vein Sumatra.
On the plus side, withdrawals are now over and I'm determined to avoid daily use. So that's good.
On the plus side, withdrawals are now over and I'm determined to avoid daily use. So that's good.
silentcowboy
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Yeah Green Malaysian is one of my favorites, it feels very clean, uplifting and energizing. Great for work.
About The Maeng Da, I think it really depends on the vendor. I used to like it a lot but recently havent found one I like. Red Vein Thai is my favorite at the moment, you should try it if you havent
jones-in_J
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Ill have to give it a try, i have heard mixed things about red vein stuff and the majority of the reviews ive read say that green anything is better then the red counterpart but since you suggested it and seem tk know the way around the strains ill give it a try if i can ever find a decent job again and stop being flat broke ljke i have been entirely too long
edzeppelin
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I've been experimenting with kratom about 1.5 years. Recently, I've noticed that I seem to get a good mood boost off fairly small(~2gr) amounts. Before, I could never feel much under 6 grams or so. I've read elsewhere on BL that an opi buzz has to be "learned" to fully appreciate it. Is this what is happening? I'm also using MXE, and there are also threads that state NMDA antagonists may prevent or even reduce opi tolerance. Hmmm... Any opinions?
edzeppelin
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IDK about tolerance, but I have spinal arthritis, was between docs and in bad pain and my Primary Dr would not prescribe opies and I used kratom(10 grams/green malay) and it was surprisingly effective. With this disorder, the pain comes at night as the spine decompresses, and you can't sleep as well. So I could sleep and function until the new doc could give me my med. Screw you, Opiophobic medical-industrial complex.
Don't forget about this little gem of a nmda antagonist kratom alkaloid, though i don't know if its concentration in relation to the other alkaloids is relevant in a pharmacological manner-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhynchophylline
Its Also in cats claw, imho, a much safer option than mxe for nmda antagonism in terms of self medication/kratom potentiation. Cats claw by itself, i've found is amazing for inflammatory pain, much better/safer than aspirin. Magnesium supplementation, imho/ime, also can help with potentiation of kratom.
Cats claw and kratom, imho synergise very well, the rychophylline in the cats claw definitely could be a contributing factor there.
I went through periods where i would take low doses of kratom/cats claw extracts every day, and say what you will, it worked rather well for inflammatory pain, depression, high blood pressure, and fatigue. My problems at the time were rather mild, but that combo got the job done pretty well, with little/no side affects.
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