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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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RobotRipping said:
don't bother with a smoke shop unless they have a solid supplier and always import fresh kratom and extract it's likely to be completely useless.

starting dose for an extract depends on the strength of the extract and what kind of extract it is as well
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Damn, it's really my only shot to at least partially relieve my withdrawals at work. I haven't tried Lope due to not wanting to risk destroying my GI tract. I'll give the smoke shop a shot anyway, hopefully it's halfway decent and it works.
 
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anyone a fan of the resin? i have tried several strains of leaf but have found the 20x resin to be the strongest and best value for money and no to mention easiest to dose with. is it really 20 times stronger than the leaf though?
 
i have found the smoke shop around here sells decent kratom. i usually stick to either maeng da or bali, around here they come in 15g bags of crushed leaf so you can mix and match to figure out which works best for you. i would advise giving the crushed or powdered leaf a try before the extracts though.
 
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anyone a fan of the resin? i have tried several strains of leaf but have found the 20x resin to be the strongest and best value for money and no to mention easiest to dose with. is it really 20 times stronger than the leaf though?
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what 20x means is that 20 grams of leaf went into making 1 gram of extract. So it's not quite 20x stronger but it's certainly stronger than plain leaf. I never liked the resins personally, i like UEI, SEM much better. I find you need at least a bit of leaf left over to get the full spectrum effects. I've been wanting to try FST (full spectrum tincture) from a good vendor for a while as i hear it is 'the best' but i've had it once and it didn't do much of anything. It's also expensive as fuck.
 
So, I know this has been discussed on here before but havnt read the whole thread,Im going to start trying to read it tomorrow. I also posted this in the BDD so hope Im not breaking any rules but it was suggested that it might be better to post here as well. If my other post needs moved feel free to move it but anyways I wanted to try and get some new fresh opinions on this....

I have been to another forum that is very knowledgeable about kratom but they have rules that make me nervous that Im going to post my question the wrong way so thought Id try here first. I have had a long past with opiate addiction and anxiety and have recently been using kratom daily now to aid these two things for the past month or so. I know if I stop Im most def going to get withdrawals and have been delaying the inevitable, but what has happened was that I have noticed that it is a really big help for anxiety, depression and opiate cravings.

I was planning on tapering off bit by bit, but wanted to get some thoughts on whether it would be safe to stay on a daily low dose. I have been taking about 3 teaspoons daily and would think if I want to stay on it safely that I should most likely taper my dose down even lower.

So my question is, any thoughts on daily kratom use and does that seem to be safe or has anyone done this on here for any length of time without any ill side effects? If so, then what are the thoughts on how much would be best to keep it at. Of course, if anyone thinks daily kratom is not safe Id like to hear that as well. Thanks!
 
Ive been using daily for 6 months with out any negative side effects. I would say to try stay under an ounce a day. Less is more, I try my best not to dose until im in withdrawls.
 
I've been using kratom for a couple of months, and and i'm a big fan! So far, I like mixing with yogurt best, and but I read on another forum that dairy products dampen the buzz. Since I'm such a noob to the plant (one order, one vendor), I don't really know a strong effect from a weak one. Has anyone else noticed that?
 
Hmmm, about how much is an ounce teaspoon wise? Ive heard a teaspoon is about 5 grams , does that sound about right? I think Im going to go ahead and order a grans scale just in case.Ive let my intake get a little too high I think( at least 3 teaspoons a day) and I think Im def going to come off of it as just recenlty Ive been noticing some blood pressure issues and the odd thing is it seems to be happening from the very first teaspoon. Has anyone heard of that before? I only drink one cup of coffee in the morning but I think Im gonna have to cut that out for a while as well. I dont know its just starting to make me feel odd and even having withdrawals in the middle of the night.

I hope I will even be able to taper off of it as the way Im suddenly feeling Im just not so sure.After thinking about it at least for me, I dont think its good for me to be taking anything everyday if I have to. Im kind of really sensitive to stuff and can easily let it get out of hand.I can see where one ounce however, would be just fine for most. Wish I had just kept it there but then again thats just me and I should have known better, hhe.
 
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Depends on your grind. The usual micro grind from a domestic supplier is 7g to the T, so roughly 2.3-2.5 g per t. I've been taking kratom (7 T every 4 hours, sometimes I wake up and take half a T, sometimes I sleep through the night) so around 35-40 g a day. For 15 months. Well, ive begun a taper recently to try and stop, but those numbers were consistent for at least 12 months. More the first, getting off thensub, and less the last. No negative effects, save for physical addiction, and plenty of positive effects, like getting me off a multi year suboxone habit, and touching no opiates since. No effect of BP here, or BSL (I measure both multiple times daily for personal reasons) and all that extra fiber prevents me from getting constipated, quite the contrary. Just gotta drink Hella water, which is good for everything. :)

Stay away from headshop kratom. This is why kratom will be scheduled. And it is WAY overpriced and often garbage. Very easy to get quality kratom overnighted, and still get a way better deal.

Mixing with yogurt impedes absorption due to the fats in yogurt. Try non fat, or the most economy, do a toss and wash. It's easier than you think. Empty stomach (this includes non fat yogurt, anything) really aids absorption. Or make a tea, but drink the grounds. Kratom is a godsend for many, and it's days are numbered due to greedy bastards making OTC sales. Do your part.

Bali is most consistent for me. Some extracts are good, some crap. The really good ones are semi-synthetic and will send your tolerance through the roof. Plus they cost an arm and a leg. Stick with the supercritical CO2 extracted ones with the natural ratio of mitragynine to 7-OH still intact. These keeps the "ceiling effect" in play. Gold Reserve is a good example, If you wanna get high as fuck, use the ones where mitragynine has been converted to 7-OH, and the ratio has been altered so there isn't really a ceiling effect anymore. UEI and FST are examples here. Buyer beware however.

Good luck. Kratom tapering is easy, but the kick off higher amounts isn't as benign as some say. Depends on your opiate history though. 3 t a day (not T) is small, and withdrawal shouldn't be too bad. And with kratom it is over fast, especially if you haven't been at it for eons.

Cheers.
 
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Hey amanitadine, thanks you sound like you really know your kratom.=D Im glad to hear about your experiences esp since youve been taking it for a while. I have gotten my krat from some really top notch places on line and there was no comparison between the headshop crap and the good online vendors. You are so right, the headshops are insanly over priced! Problem is, I think this one place I got it from(and I usually only stick to Bali or Indo no enhanced or extracts) is almost too strong for me even though it is just plain ground bali.

I am now at about 3 teaspoons, at the very most 4 per day, but either its too strong, too high of an amount for me personally, or maybe my body is suddenly forming some sort of an aversion to it. Just in the last two days Ive had to cut my dose down to 1/2 teaspoon at a time because of this and Ive still been having some really bad BP issues right after I take it. It totally sucks because school is about to start and I REALLY dont wanna go through CT withdrawals.

The thing with me is that although krat withdrawals are usually pretty easy for most people, like you mentioned could make some peoples worse is that I have really abused opiates including H in the past. It seems all it takes is a few uses of ANYTHING for me to set paws off all oevr again. :X So thats why I always seem to get stuck on it. I do have clonidine I can use if it gets bad that was prescribed for me for anxiety but I know if the BP keeps up thats not good and that why I am trying to procede with the taper as fast as possible. I just HOPE the bp eases up and I will still be able to taper.

Like you said, I have also found water helps alot.You know something else thats weird, I read the study about the kratom eaters in Thailand and how one thing it caused was skin darkening over time.. well in the short period Ive been using it I swear I think Ive seen that happen a couple of times on my cheeks( but it went away so not sure). I know Im sensitive but crap thats kinda ridiculous. Its good to hear the tapering has worked for you.I guess tomorrow I will start with only a quarter teaspoon when needed and NO caffeine and keep my fingers crossed.Does that plan sound rational? What do you think about me maybe finding a super relaxing strain like tranquil indo or something else taper from? Its frustrating cause its hard to know what your getting with the different consitency with vendors and all.

CRAP, sorry I got back and posted twice here but it looks like I am going to have to come off of this stuff the hard way!I have only had one and a half teaspoons today and although I dont have a bp machine the clonidine does bring me MUCH closer to baseline but a couple hours after it starts wearing off it starts creeping back up. The feeling is just a super irritable, exhausted, stressed out, cracked out feeling that grows more and more intense no matter if I take more or not and starts from the very first dose.

Does anyone know maybe a good watered down tincture of kratom that might help make the next few days more bearable? I would think that maybe a quarter teaspoon diluted in some water maybe taken every couple hours wouldnt do me that bad and would make what Im about to go through a little better but who knows. This sucks! Btw, it got so bad I had to go puke for the second time today from BP issues and it all calmed down right after that.
 
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I've experiemented and used on the regular Kratom since 2008. Has any one else noticed that over time it seems to dull the effects of ALL drugs? (Minus psychs, that's actually great fun.) I swear, nothing works anymore and I've used less drugs this year and last than the 10 before it. What gives? I use regular Bali 15-30 grams per day. Any one?
 
Hey dbcop, I will say that kratom has been known to dull other opiates for sure. Tabs dont even work for the first few days I take them after kratom. It also seems to overpower gabergics to a great extent for me at least as well. Dont know about the rest though.

I thought Id post an up date to what may have been going on with me and my BP..a few weeks ago I quit smoking and started on nicotine gum.. well because nicotine gum tends to stay in your body much longer than regular cigarettes and is a stimulant as well as the coffee that I was drinking I think thats what has been combining with the Kratom and raising my BP. Since I laid off the gum its not nearly as bad although I am still only able to take one quarter teaspoon at a time. Just goes to show that there are many variables that make a drug safe or not.. time weve been on it, previous history and what else were taking it with!
 
I think Kratom goes well as a synergistic drug with most of my DOC's which are mainly cannabis, benzos( alprazolam), and mushrooms. All 3 combos of Kratom+drug equals awesomeness. With shrooms it adds a cushion of mental calmness to help the trip stay positive. With weed it helps get the heavy body buzz I can't get from maryjane alone anymore (tolerance....). And with benzos it becomes like a more traditional opiod like morphine because it takes the stimulating aspect away mostly. Remember this is just MY experience, YMMV.
 
For some reason for me using small doses of kratom 2-3 times a week for a couple weeks and then taking a week off before taking opiates make them work so much better (euphoria wise).
 
I agree with all of your posts... especially about it weakening drugs that work on GABA. I'm tapering off clonazepam 2mg/day and I take a shit load of gabapentin because of nerve damage in my neck and it REALLY helps even with the rapid tolerance it still just helps. It kills my headaches too. But the benzos I think I'm permafucked tolerance-wise any way. I don't know, kratom sure is interesting. I'd love to see more research. I saw a video somewhere yesterday about some actually positive research being done on mitragynine and 7-hydroxy...

Edit: Yes, the calmness and synergy kratom brings with psychedelics is amazing. A cure. Almost indescribable, it seems they were almost made for each other. Regarding your basic few natural psychs, anyway.
 
hey guys,

can anybody tell me if kratom helps during a benzo withdrawal? Just looking for a moodlift and something against anxiety. I have some kratom, but wasn't sure if I should try it
 
Kratom is just so unbelievable good in relieving pain, it's almost crazy. There are no side effects and i've found it much better/effective in this regard than any synthetic opioid like Tilidine or Tramadol, which i'm getting via prescription.
 
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