Why are some people "bad at drugs"?

[koneko]

I'm thinking Maslow has (still) a lot to say here:-

Maslow's hierarchy of needs

I'm getting where B&W is coming from here as it echo's Buddhist beliefs that all is an illusion and in training the self we can overcome suffering regardless of circumstances. Tall order to follow for us "norms" but undertaking meditation and working with pain / suffering and breathing through it, I can kinda see that this can be accomplished. Though I'd want my dinner first, then a shag and preferably all under a warm dry roof.

 

[scrooloose]

stims are my downfall.i believe they have played a large part in my recent mental collapse.i have very little control over them.alcohol,the same.

 

[Marmalade]

but it is/can be very relevant to the original question, and a logical organic movement of the thread towards looking at possible and actual consequences of drug use.

I'd be really interested to hear what Brimz has to say on this subject. I hope he finds this thread and makes a post.

 

[Marmalade]

I'm thinking Maslow has (still) a lot to say here:-

Maslow's hierarchy of needs

I'm getting where B&W is coming from here as it echo's Buddhist beliefs that all is an illusion and in training the self we can overcome suffering regardless of circumstances. Tall order to follow for us "norms" but undertaking meditation and working with pain / suffering and breathing through it, I can kinda see that this can be accomplished. Though I'd want my dinner first, then a shag and preferably all under a warm dry roof.

I LOVE Maslow.

His theory on Self-actualisation is pretty much how I've approached my life for the last 15 years.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Maslow's hierarchy is a bit weird though. If anyone else is like me they will find they havent even met all the needs of level 1, but will have some of the attributes of the higher levels. Is this where ivory towers and the real world dont mix ?

 

[koneko]

Maslow's hierarchy is a bit weird though. If anyone else is like me they will find they havent even met all the needs of level 1, but will have some of the attributes of the higher levels. Is this where ivory towers and the real world dont mix ?

I guess most of us have some / all of the attributes at the other levels "waiting" or should that be "ready for " actualization - we are born fully equipped for everything and anything.

You know age has a lot to do with this, its not all down to effort or fate or intelligence or whatever...sometimes just getting older and wiser through life experience makes us hone your priorities and move on.

Back to drugs - personally the older I get the shitter I get at taking stuff and the less it means to me. When I was young I was fucking great, hardcore at drugs, now not so much. I think of the consequences and am getting far too into this sensible stuff of rationalisation....drugs aren't worth it any more. Thankfully I've found myself at the fine for fun stage. Being able to pass on my addictive personality to other, less harmful pursuits is paying off - being a workaholic pays lol :D

Marmz I've been there for the past 15 odd years too.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

I think people who have had some serious personal difficulties in their lives should be cut a bit of slack here.

If we can do it for Hans Rausing, we can do it for members of our own community here.

Homelessness is an emotive issue. Combine that with the difficulties that no doubt produced that situation and it's no surprise that anyone suffering all that shit might get a bit worked up about it.

Cut some slack. I'm sure some of you keep some spare in your nice comfortable middle class homes.

And yes, I know I do.

 

[backroll]

Did I stumble upon the life stories and latest bickering hotspot thread?

 

[koneko]

I think people who have had some serious personal difficulties in their lives should be cut a bit of slack here.

If we can do it for Hans Rausing, we can do it for members of our own community here.

Homelessness is an emotive issue. Combine that with the difficulties that no doubt produced that situation and it's no surprise that anyone suffering all that shit might get a bit worked up about it.

Cut some slack. I'm sure some of you keep some spare in your nice comfortable middle class homes.

And yes, I know I do.

Sure this is off topic but I'd like to deviate and ask when I've got the chance - SHM would you offer up your home & resource "slack" to someone in need?

I'm sitting in a 4 bedroom house and there's only 2 of us here (for now anyhoo). Is that not just wrong? Should we be offering that space and our extra resources to others who need it?

druggies or otherwise.

 

[Marmalade]

Did I stumble upon the life stories and latest bickering hotspot thread?

no bickering, just a decent thread.

gotta love a thread where people wear their hearts on their sleeves and share difficult life experiences publicly.

 

[Kronos]

Sure this is off topic but I'd like to deviate and ask when I've got the chance - SHM would you offer up your home & resource "slack" to someone in need?

I'm sitting in a 4 bedroom house and there's only 2 of us here (for now anyhoo). Is that not just wrong? Should we be offering that space and our extra resources to others who need it?

druggies or otherwise.

Depends on the person, if its a past the way smack addict who would boot your bedroom door in when yous were out regardless of your kindness no. If its someone who is a bit of a risk, but just a bit, and have nowhere else to lay their head then i would give space if its spare. 1 or 2 people i barely knew let me kip for a week or so when i was in dire need of somewhere to stay a few years back, and for that i'll always be damn grateful

 

[Mailmonkey]

I'm sitting in a 4 bedroom house and there's only 2 of us here (for now anyhoo). Is that not just wrong? Should we be offering that space and our extra resources to others who need it?

No, councils should be resourcing better, making use of empty properties, "affordable" housing shouldn't just be a criteria builders have to fulfill however loosely in order to build what they like.

If you were in a housing Association property yes, i'd say you are underoccupied and should make way for a large family with greater need than you.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Sure this is off topic but I'd like to deviate and ask when I've got the chance - SHM would you offer up your home & resource "slack" to someone in need?

I'm sitting in a 4 bedroom house and there's only 2 of us here (for now anyhoo). Is that not just wrong? Should we be offering that space and our extra resources to others who need it?

druggies or otherwise.

Opens up a massive can of worms debate about charity v governmental responsibility.

We as individuals are not responsible for the housing crisis. Neither you nor me passed the 1988 Housing Act that free marketed rents and stopped the building of council houses. We didn't ring fence money from Local Authorities so that it couldn't be spent on housing.

And yes, it was Thatcher.

I don't think having four bedrooms with two people residing is the biggest sin in the world. Though perhaps having four houses is getting on that way.

In some countries, Germany for example, if you build or own many houses then every fourth one has to be for social housing. I think that's the kind of government intervention that is needed more than you or me unilaterally taking in the homeless in an ad-hoc fashion.

EDIT Ninja'd by MM. But my post is more comprehensive. Probably uses bigger words too.

 

[farmaz]

Sure this is off topic but I'd like to deviate and ask when I've got the chance - SHM would you offer up your home & resource "slack" to someone in need?

If I made an error in my post I will remove all my posts on this thread, admin just PM me & it will be gone in a flash.

I can't speak for anyone but myself & this is not O.T. if it is I will remove the post, I DON*T want any more points & a 1 week ban for 1 post.
I have taken in hookers & all types of people into my flat before & offered up my limited "slack resource" to people les well off than me many times.

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of sharing gifts, they would not enjoy their gifts without sharing them with others, nor would the taint of stinginess obsess the heart and stay there. even if it were their last and final bit of food, they would not enjoy its use without sharing it, if there were anyone to receive it"
Itivuttaka 18

 

[Mailmonkey]

In some countries, Germany for example, if you build or own many houses then every fourth one has to be for social housing. I think that's the kind of government intervention that is needed more than you or me unilaterally taking in the homeless in an ad-hoc fashion.
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There used to be a 30% requirement in this country, till earlier this year for builders to make 30% social housing...for every development they did.

This has been scrapped, yes, Tory govt, and now all such deals are locally negotiable, so depends on the builders sway with councillors a lot more.

EDI>>>just asked missis, she says it was scrapped in summer



Yes SHM, you use longer words than me. Must be all those Brain Training games your grandkids have been getting you for your iPad.

 

[Marmalade]

No, councils should be resourcing better, making use of empty properties, "affordable" housing shouldn't just be a criteria builders have to fulfill however loosely in order to build what they like.

If you were in a housing Association property yes, i'd say you are underoccupied and should make way for a large family with greater need than you.

^^

I'd be willing to give up a room if the Govnt didn't favour private landlords charging extorionate amount of rent. If they forced landlords to develop and occupy the many empty buildings that are left unused and empty. It's criminal that private landlords are left to dictate their rates to the market in this way. This is what's pushed up the price of rents and why some councils are choosing to move families from their home towns to opposite ends of the country. It's ludicrous. Without the govnt changing their approach to social housing and private landlords the situation for ayone struggling to find a home will only get worse over the next few years. There's already been a 25% rise in homelessness over the last 2 years due to the 'austerity' cuts. It's expected to rise exceptionally higher over the next 3 years due to new caps on housing benefit and benefit cuts in general.

Polly Toynbee has written tons about this for the Guardian over the last 6 months or so, she's pretty much got the housing situation and problems with it nailed

 

[Marmalade]

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of sharing gifts, they would not enjoy their gifts without sharing them with others, nor would the taint of stinginess obsess the heart and stay there. even if it were their last and final bit of food, they would not enjoy its use without sharing it, if there were anyone to receive it"
Itivuttaka 18

That's a great quote, which I really identify with. I'd make a shit rich person. I love sharing stuffs, very satisfying feeling. Sharing (sometimes) carries an underlying intent which can be pretty self-serving at heart tho, but the end result is usually mutually beneficial.

 

[koneko]

Opens up a massive can of worms debate about charity v governmental responsibility.

We as individuals are not responsible for the housing crisis. Neither you nor me passed the 1988 Housing Act that free marketed rents and stopped the building of council houses. We didn't ring fence money from Local Authorities so that it couldn't be spent on housing.

And yes, it was Thatcher.

I agree, the politics are wrong, I was part of this generation, but I'd like it noted I never ever voted conservative. In the meantime what is to be done? We could spend years discussing policy and whatnot, waiting and letting time trickle away as is the want of politics - but what of the people who need a roof over their head and a hot meal in their belly?

And people like me, bit fearful I will admit, sit in larger than needed properties with freezers & pantries full of food - what and how do we disperse that resource amongst us, when the government isn't able to give us guidelines to do so because it doesn't give a shit. Talk about fucking government fail And still I pay taxes and expect them to be shared equally and still the cunts continue to fuck it up.

So what are we able to do / can do? to rectify this situation?

 

[Ismene]

I'm not sure I'd want half the countryside bulldozed to build another 3 million houses tho.

 

[botfly]

Life experiences, personality, insecurities, body chemistry, coping mechanisms etc. Most people shouldn't take drugs as they can make you emotionally unstable or question who you are unless you're very rigid in your thinking. The changes in thought can be quite traumatic for some. But I believe occasional use of drugs has a role in the evolution of our species. I think some people who are 'straight edge' need a big dose of something to get them out of the box they live in and make them have a different perspective. It's like the people who take drugs shouldn't take drugs and the people that don't should do. It's weird the way the world works eh?